New pilot hybrid draw and vapor questions

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testerjtester

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I've searched and read through the forums, and have come across quite a few posts that mention a break-in period for Pilot atomizers. I'm hoping that someone can provide some more details to help put my mind at ease regarding my new purchase!

I just received today a pair of Pilot kits from Puresmoker (thanks, Steve and crew!), and they're my first. I already have what I think would be called a super mini from another retailer, and have been really disappointed with its vapor production, one of the problems I'm looking to the Pilot to correct.

My research on the Pilot tells me that it should have a relatively easy draw. My super mini has what I'd call inconsistent draw, meaning that depending on the particular cartridge installed and other factors, it often feels like trying to suck a marble through a straw.

Playing around with the 2 Pilots after taking them out of the box, the draw was extremely hard on both, worse even than my super mini, and I'm getting only fair to poor vapor production. Admittedly, this is with the batteries at whatever charge level they shipped with - I do have 2 on the charger but they won't be ready till morning.

Regarding the draw, I blew the primer fluid out of the atomizers before assembling, and after playing a little I also used a can of compressed air on one of them. To somewhat take the battery charge level out of the equation, I took the batteries off so that I was left with cartridge and atomizer, and it still seems like a hard draw. With a battery on, I have trouble getting the LED to light up consistently, it comes on dimly after a couple of seconds of drawing, but turns off again until I struggle harder to draw.

Dripping without a cartridge gives me a significant improvement on both draw and vapor - not quite what I'm looking for, but if I was getting those levels with a cartridge in, and it improved a couple of notches in a few days, I'd probably be mostly happy.

To try to wrap this up into coherent questions:

1. Should the draw indeed get easier after using the Pilot for a while, and if so, how long?

2. Should the vapor production also improve significantly after a while, as well as with fully charged batteries, and if so, how long?

3. For both of the above, to what degree should they improve after a breaking in period? For example, on a scale of 1 to 10, without much of a reference point I'd say the draw is currently at around 2 and the vapor production is a 4, with a higher number being better in both cases.

I'd appreciate any feedback, since after doing my research I'm really counting on the Pilot to get me switched completely over to e-smoking. I know I can blame some of my difficulty on low batteries, but I'm not sure I can for all of it.

Thanks!
Tim
 

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I have the ps 401. charge the batts drip to get it started pop on a fresh cart. It feels like you need to really suck the thing but in reality what really needs to be done is just puff enough to light up the battery and draw nice and smooth (not like a straw) the vapor on this unit is pretty awesome the hit is too. the draw just takes a lil practice but it is relatively a light draw.
 

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the draw will not get easier over time. the only thing i can think of is to check the carts.... use a paperclip or some such to make sure the inner cart is pushed down all the way. a couple of times i forgot to push the inner cart down after refilling....the atomizer will .... up against the cart and block airflow. in other words, you can not use the " put the cart on the atomizer to push the inner cart down method" that works on other units. since you have a super mini, i have a feeling this is your problem.
 

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The draw on my Pilot Hybrid is also very hard. I also have another e-cig (Eaze Micro) which is the same size as a King sized analog, and the draw is very nice and totally effortless. Both e-cigs have 4-hole atomizers but function like night and day. I was told to purchase the brass atomizer for the Pilot Hybrid if I wanted a 4-hole one, so that is the one I am using. Often the hard draw on the Pilot results with a mouthful of liquid :mad:. I've read that a weak battery, dirty atomizer, or matted down cart filler will cause hard draws. After a while, I ran the Pilot atomizer under hot water in hopes of cleaning it but instead it killed it, batts are fully charged, and cart fillers look okay. Now, even with a diff brass atomizer, I am having the same results - a hard draw. I haven't figured out what the problem is and am leaning toward just a poorly constructed atomizer. I'm wondering if most vapers are so used to the draw of a 2-hole atomizer that they don't have a point of comparison like I do with my micro.:confused:
 

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ChainSmkr, thanks for that, looks like we both came at it from the same direction... I guess I was wondering the same thing, whether the reported easy draw on the Pilot was mostly in comparison to a penstyle rather that the ones we started with.

I have the black atomizers, and they look to be 4-holes too, if I recall correctly both brass and black should have 4 holes now?

You know, I'm also often getting a mouthful of liquid, mostly because the harder draw on my Pilot makes me impatient and I try to suck the vapor into my mouth in hard bursts before inhaling since it's not coming otherwise.

I tried the fully charged batteries this morning, after topping off a cart and dripping a couple drops onto the atomizer, and at first saw a big improvement over what I got last night - the draw was still a little hard, but I got a lot more vapor, so I didn't mind. But when I burned through the liquid that was on the atomizer, the draw seemed harder, but it could have been because I stopped getting almost any vapor at all. Got a mouthful of liquid as I'm typing this... :)

So I feel like I'm now having the same issues I had with my other e-cig that caused me to buy the Pilot - it's just not pulling juice out of the cart, and I have to suck harder to try to make it, and it's not helping. I'm also getting a slight burned taste whenever I try to vape off of a cartridge.

I'm hoping I'm just doing something wrong, but I'm really starting to worry now...
 

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Sorry, forgot to add one more thing... I have the impression that the atomizer just isn't heating up when I draw with a cart installed, and I try to draw even harder to get it to fire up, and just get liquid in my mouth or sore cheeks for the effort!

If the cart is indeed all the way to the bottom, what else could be blocking the airflow?
 

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I had simular problems when I first got my Pilot also. It took a couple of days to break in the atomizer. At the same time, I "learned" (practice will make perfect) how to achieve the best results when inhaling from it.
I have been using mine for two weeks now and absolutley love it. No regrets on purchasing it at all. I get this thing to hit like a train!
When my 401 starts requiring a harder draw to vape, I simply blow out the atomizer with compressed air. Good as new!

I love my Pilot M-401!
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I had simular problems when I first got my Pilot also. It took a couple of days to break in the atomizer. At the same time, I "learned" (practice will make perfect) how to achieve the best results when inhaling from it.
I have been using mine for two weeks now and absolutley love it. No regrets on purchasing it at all. I get this thing to hit like a train!
When my 401 starts requiring a harder draw to vape, I simply blow out the atomizer with compressed air. Good as new!

I love my Pilot M-401!
Tobacco free 15 days

If you are sucking to hard, you will force too much liquid from the cartridge. If you "over-flow" the atomizer, the small airhole fills with fluid. Blow compressed air thru the airway towards the tip. I'll bet drops of eliquid will drip out. Then you should be good to go!
 

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I don't mean to insult your intelligence at all but make sure that when you hold it your fingers are not blocking the air holes. I have done this many times when holding like a regular cig. Now I hold mine at the end. Just a thought.

Note an insult at all, I do keep catching myself blocking the air holes from time to time, so it's a great thought! It seems like that's the natural place to hold it... but every time I notice it I make the adjustment, and while it helps, it doesn't fix the problem.

Actually, after some more practice, the majority of my draw problem is probably because I keep trying harder than I need to. I decided to keep a cartridge installed instead of dripping without one when I got frustrated, and then tried changing to a really, really gentle draw, and I seem to be getting a more noticeable amount of vapor with less effort. It still isn't quite what I expected from watching the review videos, but it's a lot closer to where I could see it improving over a couple of days to nearly what I'm looking for. A lot of qualifiers there, but I'm hoping to remove them with a little more practice and break-in.

But now I have a new problem (needy, aren't I?) - my batteries keep shutting down! I'm assuming I'm hitting the cutoff, which I understand should be 7 seconds, but I don't feel like I'm drawing for that long. I have 2 that I charged overnight and I keep switching back and forth between them, fighting the urge to throw them on the ground in frustration. I'm in a quiet environment on my back patio, so noise shouldn't be triggering them.

Maybe I just need more practice... guess I'll just keep plugging away for a while... :)


If you are sucking to hard, you will force too much liquid from the cartridge. If you "over-flow" the atomizer, the small airhole fills with fluid. Blow compressed air thru the airway towards the tip. I'll bet drops of eliquid will drip out. Then you should be good to go!

I'm pretty sure I have been sucking too hard till now, I'll definitely try blowing the atomizers out again, maybe that'll get me to the finish line... :)

Thanks!
 

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maybe you are refilling the carts with too much liquid. don't let it pool up at the top, just keep it moist.


I fill my cartridge to the brim, definately pooling it slightly. So much that it "gurgles" when I draw from it.
You just have to remember to suck alot lighter than usual. After 4-5 lighter draws, it is fine again to resume heavier tokes. I have not had a problem doing this way.
 

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I too have experienced a lot of these same probs with my Pilot. As to the draw tho, I can't get it to make much vapor at all. I find by covering 2 of the holes I can get better vapor. Otherwise, it's feels like I'm just getting air and no vapor. The batts are a prob too. Steve says if you reach the cutoff the batt shuts down for 2 min and appears dead then it will work again. I got so frustrated with it I bought the penstyle and love it. The Pilot is just too high maintnance for me. A lot of people love this thing tho. I might sell mine too.
 

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I've noticed on my Pilot that there isn't a definite stopping point when screwing the atomiser to the battery. Instead, there's about a quarter to half a turn where it gets tight so it's possible to under- or over-tighten the fitting if you aren't careful. If yours is the same I suggest trying to vary how much you screw in the atomiser because it does make a difference in the draw.
 

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I've noticed on my Pilot that there isn't a definite stopping point when screwing the atomiser to the battery. Instead, there's about a quarter to half a turn where it gets tight so it's possible to under- or over-tighten the fitting if you aren't careful. If yours is the same I suggest trying to vary how much you screw in the atomiser because it does make a difference in the draw.

I've noticed this too, and you're right, it's not obvious what the best position is... I'll keep messing around with this, thanks.

As to the draw tho, I can't get it to make much vapor at all. I find by covering 2 of the holes I can get better vapor. Otherwise, it's feels like I'm just getting air and no vapor.

Yes, thanks for pointing out this other variable, and I'd forgotten that I initially had trouble finding out where the holes even were. Added to the list!

The batts are a prob too. Steve says if you reach the cutoff the batt shuts down for 2 min and appears dead then it will work again.

Right on again, I'm getting frustrated with trying to control my draw right on the edge of getting enough vapor and avoiding the dreaded cut-off...

I got so frustrated with it I bought the penstyle and love it. The Pilot is just too high maintnance for me.

I guess I need to give it a few days, if I can't get any better at it without feeling like I'm walking on eggshells with it I may go that route. Again, I really need something that will keep me off of analogs.

Thanks again for all the replies so far!
 

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Okay, I'm feeling a little more confident with my original problems after still more practice today. Man, it's harder than I would have thought to find just the right drag level, not too soft and not too hard, and it sure seems like a finicky, fine line, but at this point I'm at least getting some vapor even from the cartridge.

And I thought I'd be perfectly fine with a 7-second cutoff, but I'm still getting battery shutdowns about 40% of the time. Glad I have a second kit so I have four of those suckers on hand, along with 2 chargers!

Tim
 

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Okay, I'm feeling a little more confident with my original problems after still more practice today. Man, it's harder than I would have thought to find just the right drag level, not too soft and not too hard, and it sure seems like a finicky, fine line, but at this point I'm at least getting some vapor even from the cartridge.

And I thought I'd be perfectly fine with a 7-second cutoff, but I'm still getting battery shutdowns about 40% of the time. Glad I have a second kit so I have four of those suckers on hand, along with 2 chargers!

Tim

Yes, two kits are a good thing. Probably why P.S. sells 'em that way. You are re-filling cartrideges with ejuice correct? Stock carts don't have much liquid in them when you first recieve them.
 
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