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Not bad except for the price of cartridges mistake.
Not bad except for the price of cartridges mistake.
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It's the best place I think; unless you live in a fridgy country perhaps and can put it outside some place safe 
I liked the article. It is the most favorable one I have read. Maybe not all articles will be against it - LOL. Even the title was unbiased.
I'm not sure what's funny about the refrigerator reference. It's very true that to prevent spoilage, liquids and cartridges are refrigerated by some. And there is thought being given to requiring refrigerated shipping containers, as is the case with many food products subject to spoilage.
That wasn't meant to be a joke, Iceman. You probably just haven't read the spoilage concerns before.
That wasn't meant to be a joke, Iceman. You probably just haven't read the spoilage concerns before.
I find this paragraph from the article interesting. There are no specific references to the statement that e-cigarettes have been found less harmful than regular cigarettes after "a series of toxicological tests". What toxicological tests were done and where can these test results be found? I know of no study which has actually tested the vapor emitted by an e-smoking device.
I also find the statement that e-smokers will be vulnerable to circulatory diseases associated with nicotine interesting. I'm sure Big Pharma won't like the inference that their gum, patches and other nicotine delivery devices may cause circulatory diseases. Or maybe they will. Maybe the next step is to demonize nicotine and make pharmaceutical drugs (with an array of negative side-effects) the only available cessation choices.
I have already posted on the controversial NRT issue:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/959-propylene-glycol-inhaling-5.html
This was a pretty knowledgeable writer, Mamba, so I'm guessing the reference is to the New Zealand tests. Results of relatively complete tests of contents are already posted in the interim reports. They are as stated in the article.
You are right about demonizing nicotine. It's not PG or VG that will be attacked. It's nicotine. And the argument will be that we already have alternative nicotine sources available to smokers wanting to quit, so we don't need yet another, with all the hazards of nicotine use associated with it. Nicotine, of course, is guilty as charged in the article.
You are right about demonizing nicotine. It's not PG or VG that will be attacked. It's nicotine. And the argument will be that we already have alternative nicotine sources available to smokers wanting to quit, so we don't need yet another, with all the hazards of nicotine use associated with it. Nicotine, of course, is guilty as charged in the article.
$75 for 5 carts??? LOL. where exactly would he of gotten that from? could you imagine if that was true? lol. nice article though
I'm sorta conflicted about this article. On the one hand, we come out of it pretty well. On the other it looks shallow to me - not so much researched as trawled off the web. There are some leapt-to conclusions and some pretty duff facts. I'm fairly sure a lot of it was trawled from forums, which of course means opinions get reported as facts.
I always moan at the rubbish put out by opponents - not sure I should be lauding it when it's neutral or in our favour.
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I always moan at the rubbish put out by opponents - not sure I should be lauding it when it's neutral or in our favour.
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Yo bob you Americans have no sense of humour (but I love ye)I did not know it was best to keep it in the fridge I do now That's why mine does lose it's flavour I guess but.
I had this image in my head of someone buying a new fridge and when they opened it instead of it full of food its full of e-liquid.
An American fridge full of e-liquid 8-o how many gallons would that be
and him stood there going.hmmmmm what flavour tonight.
I guess you had to be there I am laughing again
Sorry if you dont see the funny side.
Mines full off ICE!
that's one thing i didn't mind is the price of the cigs. i live in NYC. the price of the cig rise from 4 to 5 four or 5 years ago to 7 to 8 a pack now. some place in midtown nyc could go close to 9 a pack.
I really hope this ecig idea take off. more and more people know about it. it's not a perfect solution to quit smoking but whole lot better than pay 9 bucks to slowly kill yourself. I emailed anyone i can think of who smokes. even people i do know very well. some laugh at me and some like the idea.
I really hope this ecig idea take off. more and more people know about it. it's not a perfect solution to quit smoking but whole lot better than pay 9 bucks to slowly kill yourself. I emailed anyone i can think of who smokes. even people i do know very well. some laugh at me and some like the idea.
I agree, but I'm sure caffeine and any other stimulant is going to have long term effects on the circulatory system. I think the need to say these aren't harmless comes from the gut reaction to smoking that has been drilled into our heads by the health industry. The fact that gum, patches, etc. are medical devices, but as soon as it resembles a cigarette, or the name implies cigarette, everyone refuses to the word "safe". Personally I'm gonna call them zigarettes and call it zmoking when I try to sell them to my friends and family. Create some distance from that gut reaction. Tylenol has some bad long term side effects as well, don't see articles claiming it's not a safe pain management drug...
Folks, don't compare nicotine to caffeine. There's just no comparison when it comes to serious long-term health consequences. None. Thoroughly read the Health section here and then do nicotine research at a site like sciencedaily.com.
I love my nicotine and have used it all my adult life. I know I won't quit it.
Just don't think it's benign or no worse than an overload of caffeine. It's far worse. Ask you own doctor if don't believe posts.
I love my nicotine and have used it all my adult life. I know I won't quit it.
Just don't think it's benign or no worse than an overload of caffeine. It's far worse. Ask you own doctor if don't believe posts.
""Our strategy is based on the fact that nicotine, while addictive, is about as safe as caffeine," testified University of Alabama Professor Brad Rodu before a June 3, 2003 congressional subcommittee. ""
I've done a considerable amount of research on both nicotine and caffeine. My goal wasn't to say nicotine was benign, it was to say that caffeine has long term health risks, the breadth of which won't be appreciated until this new energy drink craze has reached it's peak and this generation of chronic users realizes just how bad it's been on their bodies.
Also from an article entitled "Long-term effects of inhaled nicotine." by Department of Medicine, University Hospital, Tronheim, Norway. states "In conclusion, our study does not indicate any harmful effect of nicotine when given in its pure form by inhalation."
However, you did change my mind. The negative health effects of nicotine are both more numerous and more pronounced than that currently seen by caffeine. Although I still contend that caffeine may catch up with it's higher doses in increased use. Also the benefits of nicotine verses caffeine are, I believe, at a greater ratio than the risks.
I'll be more careful though in the future though, you're right about that, I'm not a doctor and theres just no substitute for a professional opinion.
You're ahead of the herd, Dayride. And you are right about the Dr. Rodu quote. I did a 4,000-word article back in January, and corresponded with Dr. Rodu via email. Here are a couple of paragraphs from that article:
Now, as a writer I'm willing to quote the doctor, but studies indicate the comparison is not so on-target. Yes, caffeine kicks up heart rate. But there's no evidence that caffeine has long-term consequenes like accelerating artery clogging and hardening. That's what long-term use of nicotine is said to do. But studies are only now focusing on nicotine, a pharmacological agent with good and bad consequences. In the past, it was "smoking' that was studied.
Keep abreast of the studies, as I'm sure you will. Nice post.
Now, as a writer I'm willing to quote the doctor, but studies indicate the comparison is not so on-target. Yes, caffeine kicks up heart rate. But there's no evidence that caffeine has long-term consequenes like accelerating artery clogging and hardening. That's what long-term use of nicotine is said to do. But studies are only now focusing on nicotine, a pharmacological agent with good and bad consequences. In the past, it was "smoking' that was studied.
Keep abreast of the studies, as I'm sure you will. Nice post.
bob, is there a copy of your article online? would like to read the whole piece.
thnx
thnx
I wish I could say it sold. I went months with an editor, working through five revisions, before he dropped off the radar. I mean, he never responded again after four months of seemingly high interest. I'm still working on selling it. So, no, it's not online. Sorry.
no worries bob, hope someone picks it up soon. imagine they will eventually as the things get more and more coverage.
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