New study - number of people who have tried e-cigs levels off

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DrMA

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None of this is surprising, and has been reported before by the market studies written by Bonnie Herzog. People are beginning to realize cigalikes are useless. Most cigalike users also smoke combustibles. And yes, it's a good thing that more and more smokers are switching to 2nd and 3rd gen devices, which make the cigalike numbers in studies like this appear to be leveling off or dropping.
 

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"E-cigarettes come in a range of shapes and sizes, and Myers said it's not clear the study's participants would have counted things like "vape pens," ''e-hookahs" and "tanks" as e-cigarettes."

"Not clear" - why not?? Wasn't the study specific enough? Why??

"But other research suggests most users would include them, King said."

What 'other research' Mr. King?? State your source or it didn't happen.

:facepalm: More junk science or idiots reporting it.
 

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Gotta love the hearsay and suggestions. Some people dislike the "blogtization" of media, but I like this idea that when everyone, including big media, is just blogging... nobody should look for authority in opinion.

Also have you people noticed the slideshow beneath the article talking about particle size? I though that big was better because less ends up in the finer lung structure. It's funny how you can spin it both ways.
 
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The nonsense blabbering about "ultrafine particles" is the most abject slurry ever gushed by ANTZ and must be stopped. As Dr. F eloquently points out, for particulate matter it is not the size but the composition that matters. Whereas environmental air pollution and tobacco smoke are solid micro particles loaded with nasty chemicals, ecig vapor contains tiny liquid droplets, which pose no health risk.

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For example, the smallest-size microparticles are emitted when you boil water (Ogulei et al. Analysis of indoor particle size distributions in an occupied townhouse using positive matrix factorization. Indoor Air 2006;16:204-215). Common sense, not any citation, is needed to understand that water vapor particles do not contribute to cardiovascular disease. Thus, the discussion about the size of the particles is irrelevant and scientifically flawed. Of course, the composition of the particles emitted from e-cigarettes is completely different from environmental pollution or cigarette smoke

Abuse of evidence and argument: a response to Stanton Glantz' criticisms of an expert letter to WHO on tobacco harm reduction
 

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None of this is surprising, and has been reported before by the market studies written by Bonnie Herzog. People are beginning to realize cigalikes are useless. Most cigalike users also smoke combustibles. And yes, it's a good thing that more and more smokers are switching to 2nd and 3rd gen devices, which make the cigalike numbers in studies like this appear to be leveling off or dropping.

This is what I have seen too. Mainly in indoor situations such as a bar where people will use a cigalike for a puff or two instead of going outside. With all of the bans and the attempts to align vaping with smoking it is easy to see why there is a slowing of adoption of vaping as an alternative to smoking. For all those ANTI types out there whatever their reason I hope the understand the 6 million annual smoking related deaths = 1 every 5 seconds 24/7/365.
 

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Gotta love the hearsay and suggestions. Some people dislike the "blogtization" of media, but I like this idea that when everyone, including big media, is just blogging... nobody should look for authority in opinion.

This ^^ :thumb: I couldn't have put it better myself.
 

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And the authors thinks that a good thing? Yea let them continue to smoke and kill themselves, as long as they don't try those evil e-cigs.

There's just too much money to be made in keeping people sick from smoking. It's unfortunate, but the Federal Death Administration is pushing in that direction.

Making money is a good thing, until someone gets hurt; Corporations have a responsibility to do what's best for their consumers, while BT gets away with poisoning them with additives rather than provide them a higher-quality product that has less risk compared to their current "line of death" products.

Doctors are violating their own code if they speak against e-cigarettes, especially as a whole. More on this, later. (I'll post the entire thing below)

I intentionally broke your link in the quote (replaced http with 'hxxp'. Apologies for doing so, but let's not give any more revenue to these junk science pushers.

Honestly, the entire "a new government study" thing without a reference to the actual study?

Who did the study? Was it independent or government-funded? Which group? How were the participants chosen?

All those questions and more are raised in my mind when I see such stories pop up in the media.

Who does 'Huff think they're fooling? :facepalm:

What seriously surprised me was when Lorillard decided to buy Blu, and I thought to myself, "People are actually going to buy these things"?

I literally stopped people from purchasing them when I was working retail, even going as far as to ask them whether they'd tried an "e-cigarette" (I personally despise this term, I think "personal vaporizer" is more all-encompassing of the devices we're using as a whole) and whether it looked like the Blu. A lot of times the answer was "yes", to which I'd respond by showing them my Vision Spinner (and later the VAMO v5) coupled with an EVOD or GS-H2.

I wouldn't even bother to carry these in retail outlets, because they're just "barely enough" if they work for the person at all, and the 'pack equivalency' thing on there (don't know if it's still there or not) is an outright lie. No way is someone getting three packs of analogs worth of vapor from a cigalike, unless they're the type of analog user who frequently snuffs an analog after a few puffs.

Cigalikes in general have a bad rap in the vaping community, but I know some people who use them just because they look similar to an analog. I've spoken to some people who were told by their doctors that it was "worse for you than smoking", and I knew I was pushing the line when I responded with, "well, your doctor is an idiot" and a smile. :)

I know how my chest x-rays look: They're free of the chronic bronchitis I was suffering from whilst smoking. October will be the month I'll have gone 3 full years without a single analog. Maybe it's the type of e-liquids I vape, what I vape them on; I don't know. What I do know is that vaping as a whole, has saved me a whole lot of health risk and money simultaneously. I only smoked for 11 years, so... just my :2c:

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Also; the Doctor's Hippocratic Oath;

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Emphasis on above bolded line mine.

Credit goes entirely to Medterms.com.

They really do need to focus on prevention. BT can make money off of PVs / ECigs, but they'll need to impress the heck out of us with juice quality before bootleg juice vendors pop up as a result of BT lobbyists / 'anonymous' donations to legislature making it so the legal fine print ends up prohibitively expensive for startups.... which is exactly what they are trying to do.

Prohibition or strong-arming of local businesses when there's already a practical monopoly over BT in general?

I think we might be able to shoot this down before it gains too much altitude.

I'm going to say it again; it's our liberty that allows us to vape. We have a choice to do it rather than smoke, so we make that informed decision.

Unfortunately, common sense in the legislative branch ought to be called "uncommon sense," because we're really not seeing that many sensible decisions by the feds.

That's all of my rambling, for now. I think I should write a book, next time. :D
 

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Found this in the magazin quoted as soure of the original study...

Carbonyl Compounds in Electronic Cigarette Vapors: Effects of Nicotine Solvent and Battery Output Voltage

They say in the text that only half of the liquid sample had all data on them.
Looking at the table of liquids used for testing presented one page down it jumps into the eyes that the very same liquid with 'no data' is listed FOUR times, thus accounting for 40% of the 'no data' claim...

I quit reading further after that - cuz if you ry to sell me crap on the first two pages , chances are you trying to sell me even more crap later on...

Thus it's just another 'study' that should be printed on very soft paper ... so that I can wipe my ... with it...
 
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