There's a nice blog by Tom Pruen of ECITA in the UK about this study - kind of blows this one out of the water as well 
New study on vapor and immune response in mice
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One would probably never get a lung infection as long as they keep vaping the PG. If the study is true the rats get infected because they didn't have PG in their lungs while they are getting infected. The take away from this study is if you are staying in a less clean hotel room FOG your room with your PV before going to bed
.Everything gets blown, eventually.
There's a nice blog by Tom Pruen of ECITA in the UK about this study - kind of blows this one out of the water as well
The highlighted portion is something the ecig scientists like rodu, Dr Farsalinos etc seems to disagree, Perhaps quite vehemently.
No need for a broom when you have a sharp-eared cat. Have to keep pg away from the cat, though. Not good for the little critter.
but what about the study where it was said it could cause
severe viral infection of the lungs?
just kidding. that's the only one the sheeple
will remember.
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mike
I tire of the "better than smoking." With all the negative impressions around smoking and the belief that the rhetoric is infallible, one would be hard pressed to find a substance that is not better than smoking for you.
I say we go for, "vaping is better for you than water." Water isn't harmless. People can (and have) OD'd from drinking water, not to mention all the people that have drowned in water. If someone touches nicotine, with zero intention of putting it in their body, it seems like the media will (somehow) make that into an argument about "this is even more reason why people shouldn't vape. It's not harmless!" Well, by that logic, if people are drowning in water, then this could (somehow) lead to an argument that drinking water is dangerous. Dangerous, I tell you. It's not harmless!
Counter propaganda for 2015 vaping enthusiast:
eLiquid with nicotine, it's safer than water.
We need a comparison with FDA approved "air fresheners". Have some mice vape Febreze and some others vape a common e-juice.
Dr. Farsalinos criticizes the junk science in this study
A new study in mice provides no information for smokers but verifies e-cigarettes are less harmful
A new study in mice provides no information for smokers but verifies e-cigarettes are less harmful
And thinking further, it seems the free radicals measured could be abnormally high due to infrequent changing of cartridges in the smoking machine.
Basically sucking them dry before changing.
So this number has to be unrealistically high. By how much? Yet another study would have to be done to determine.
This was my thinking as well, that the abusive manner of the testing was contributing substantially to the free radicals.
Here's the thing, though: the danger of free radicals is pretty well known now, yet hydrogenated fats ("trans fats") are still legal, still found in a great many common foods, and the very reason they are dangerous is because of the alarming number of free radicals they engender. Vaping causes free radicals? How does that number they observed compare with the number engendered by eating some given amount of hydrogenated or other "trans" fats?
I believe it's also true that "life on planet Earth" causes a great many free radicals in our bodies; it's unavoidable in the presence of oxygen and solar radiation.
Andria
From the above link:
'Furthermore, I have serious doubts about the findings of free radicals in e-cigarette vapor. Studies evaluating cigarette smoke have confirmed that the free radicals are derived from catechol (in the gas phase of the smoke) and from hydroquinone (in the particulate matter of the smoke). Recently, we assessed 21 e-liquids for the presence of phenols, including catechol and hydroquinone. Hydroquinone was not found in any of the liquids, while catechol was present in only 2 e-liquids, at minute quantities (the study is currently under review for publication).'
And a link of a study from the above link:
Free-radical chemistry of cigarette smoke and its toxicological implications.
'Furthermore, I have serious doubts about the findings of free radicals in e-cigarette vapor. Studies evaluating cigarette smoke have confirmed that the free radicals are derived from catechol (in the gas phase of the smoke) and from hydroquinone (in the particulate matter of the smoke). Recently, we assessed 21 e-liquids for the presence of phenols, including catechol and hydroquinone. Hydroquinone was not found in any of the liquids, while catechol was present in only 2 e-liquids, at minute quantities (the study is currently under review for publication).'
And a link of a study from the above link:
Free-radical chemistry of cigarette smoke and its toxicological implications.
I've been trying to find the quantity of free radicals associated with breathing straight air, without luck.
Of course the # would be dependent on the location: NY City vs. Mentone, AL would have crazy different results - but a # for 'average air'.
Anyone?
I know that here in ATL, on hot summer days, we have "ozone alerts"; it's partly from the city congestion, smog, and heat inversion, but it's also because of the enormous number of TREES to be found in the entire Blue Ridge (of which ATL is right at the foot), and the ozone is why it's "blue". The trees emit so much pure oxygen, much ozone (free radicals!) results.
Andria
Sure we have facts...
But the propaganda we need to use is to expose "them" for what they really are.
Oh wait, you're right, that's not propaganda either.
It's still just more facts...
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger
FORCES International - News Portal
Ever since I started vaping and was disabused of the notion that all the nannies would be happy I quit smoking, all I can see is The Emperor's New Clothes, playing out every day in nearly every media. People are so confoundedly BRAINWASHED that the media is telling THE TRUTH, just lapping up that whole 'freedom of the press' antiquated notion like it was holy writ and therefore MUST be true.
Oh, and that other happy crappy about the gov't actually CARING about its citizens. Not even a little bit.When the biggest danger a citizen faces is from its own government... it's time for revolution.
Andria
What it boils down to is simple -
'Bout two and a half years ago I happened across these e-cigs. Did some digging ( aka researching ). That got me here. After nights worth of reading it got me a lowly ego-T starter kit and a few juices.
Two days into vaping I started DIY cuz my sensory gear was so gunked up from 60 fags a day that it needed fairly massive flavouring to get past that.
After the initial spending spree on hard- and software plus the expected bouts of vaper's tongue am good :
Saving money.
Stopped hacking up my lungs in the morning.
Do a few flights o stairs without wheezing like an old kettle about to blow.
My SO (she never smoked) likes to kiss me a whole lot more now cuz I smell and taste good ( Her words, not mine ). One kiss leads to another leads often to...
Well, lets just say that from a very personal perspective, they can take all their 'studies', print it out, roll it up tight and shove it where the sun don't shine...
Vape on
'Bout two and a half years ago I happened across these e-cigs. Did some digging ( aka researching ). That got me here. After nights worth of reading it got me a lowly ego-T starter kit and a few juices.
Two days into vaping I started DIY cuz my sensory gear was so gunked up from 60 fags a day that it needed fairly massive flavouring to get past that.
After the initial spending spree on hard- and software plus the expected bouts of vaper's tongue am good :
Saving money.
Stopped hacking up my lungs in the morning.
Do a few flights o stairs without wheezing like an old kettle about to blow.
My SO (she never smoked) likes to kiss me a whole lot more now cuz I smell and taste good ( Her words, not mine ). One kiss leads to another leads often to...
Well, lets just say that from a very personal perspective, they can take all their 'studies', print it out, roll it up tight and shove it where the sun don't shine...
Vape on
And Francis Collins promises to make biomedical research less wrong.
NIH Promises To Make Scientific Studies Less Wrong - Forbes
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