New Super Concentrated Flavors

[sinnyc]

Besides the Cohiba that I got today (and mixed this evening ) I'm also branching out a bit. I ordered these flavor molecules from The Perfumer's Apprentice:

• Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (PG) - at 10.00 ppm. Roasted, nutty, bready and yeasty, with popcorn and corn chip nuances good for graham gracker flavors (enhancer)
• Acetyl pyridine 1% (PG) - Cornmeal with a nutty and bready nuance. Can use up to 10.0000 ppm
• Guaiacol 1% (PG) - phenolic smoke spice. Can use up to 2 ppm in a flavor concentrate"
• Methylbutyraldehyde 1% (PG) - Musty and rummy, with nutty and cereal notes - caramel and fruity undernotes
• Tetramethyl pyrazine 10% (PG) - Nutty, musty, cocoa, drying, peanut-like and raw coffee notes
• Trimethyl Pyrazine 10% (PG) - Nutty musty earthy powdery cocoa roasted peanut. Raw, musty, nutty, potato. Use up to 80 ppm

I've been trying to find a rich, full bodied tobacco base for weeks now using elements of TPA, LorAnn, FA, Capellas, FW, TW, Seedman's, 2 kinds of tobacco absolute, and now VZ. VZ's tobacco flavors are easily the best I've found but they're still not quite what I want. I've come up with 2 solid VZ-based tobacco blends that I'm refining but they're still not ready to be shared. I'm curious to see how some of the above molecules work with my blends.

Someday I'm hoping to create something like Vermillion River's Kentucky Premium Blend and Alien Vision's Boba's and Gorilla juice. Until then, it's mix mix mix!

- Tim

 

[Katdarling]

Huh? Those "flavors" do not sound appealing. Ok, welp, maybe the Methylbutyraldehyde...

 

[wolcen]

Interesting.. My Dunhill reminds me of a nutty butter taste, with a hint of tobacco. Wenston, Ry4, Desert Ship, and 555 share the same Real Cig tobacco base.

...But seriously, if you like the Real Cig that much I would strongly recommend the Dunhill next. It's the closest to the Real Cig I think(of those I've tried) but with a little nicer flavor, but nothing too fancy.

I don't care for nutty tobaccos either. This 555 just has a deeper tone than the other 4 I mentioned above...

Thanks for all these (and some others) guys! Comparisons to Real Cig will always get my attention

 

[Cyrus Vap]

The acetyl pyrazine is something I can't do without, its the magic ingredient in many vendor juices of the RY4 family (Halo Tribeca for one) (~1 drop per 4 ml...add too much and you get overwhelming graham cracker flavor. Add it to something that's not intrinsically sweetish/ethyl maltolish and you'll get straight up fritos, no lie)

The trimethyl pyrazine is the magic ingredient in many vendor juices of the 555 family (~1 drop per 5 ml. Add too much and you'll get straight up acetone). This one is also pretty important to me

Guiaicol many people rave about, I've only managed to get it to work once (1 drop per 5-10 ml!?!?! Its certainly smoky, but not in the way that most of us are looking for. There is a sweetish/spicy thing to it that can ruin a juice fast)

I also have caryophyllene oxide and its disgusting lol

Just my opinions based on taste and smell, no secret info

 

[emonty]

Concerning the Mandarin: I made it @ 2.5% but I find it not very profound, muted I would say. Before adding drops, does anybody who is loving it can share his/her thoughts on the recipe please, thxs!!

 

[Jimi D.]

Concerning the Mandarin: I made it @ 2.5% but I find it not very profound, muted I would say. Before adding drops, does anybody who is loving it can share his/her thoughts on the recipe please, thxs!!

Try 15 drops of flavor per 10ml. Let it sit for 24hours,

 

[sinnyc]

Huh? Those "flavors" do not sound appealing. Ok, welp, maybe the Methylbutyraldehyde...

They aren't flavorings per se They are elements that would be added to a mix to provide certain tones. Think of your juice mix as the meal you are cooking and these molecules as herbs and spices you might add.

- Tim

 

[emonty]

added, will report back in 24, thxs Jimi D.

Try 15 drops of flavor per 10ml. Let it sit for 24hours,

 

[Jimi D.]

added, will report back in 24, thxs Jimi D.

Your'e Welcome emonty..

 

[IVapus]

Thanks for all these (and some others) guys! Comparisons to Real Cig will always get my attention

You know it's funny. I've think I've tried 7(?) of the tobaccos so far now and the Real Cig is my least favorite of all of them as a standalone flavor. That's not a knock on the Real Cig. though, I really like it a lot, especially once I found the right strength for my tastes. Evidently I'm a total lightweight, lol. The other tobacco flavors just suit me better as standalones. However, if I'm making any sort of tobacco blend, with vanilla, chocolate, fruit, nuts, whatever, the Real Cig is always the first tobacco I reach for. It's simple and unadorned and gives the blends a nice solid kick without a lot of other distractive elements.

 

[debb]

I use the flavor notes too....

I just ordered my first flavors from VZ..can't wait to try them..

 

[Jimi D.]

You know it's funny. I've think I've tried 7(?) of the tobaccos so far now and the Real Cig is my least favorite of all of them as a standalone flavor. That's not a knock on the Real Cig. though, I really like it a lot, especially once I found the right strength for my tastes. Evidently I'm a total lightweight, lol. The other tobacco flavors just suit me better as standalones. However, if I'm making any sort of tobacco blend, with vanilla, chocolate, fruit, nuts, whatever, the Real Cig is always the first tobacco I reach for. It's simple and unadorned and gives the blends a nice solid kick without a lot of other distractive elements.

Let the Real Cig steep for 2 months, and try it then. You will be surprised.

 

[IVapus]

Let the Real Cig steep for 2 months, and try it then. You will be surprised.

Okay. I'm 2-3 weeks in on my latest batch. We'll see if it lasts 2 months. I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[odysseysteve]

Hey Crew, there are 4, count 'em 4 new flavors up in the VZ store! Drum roll please..........Butterscotch, Coconut, Caramel Candy and Rum Raisin.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

The way real cig changes with time is uncanny, I've never had a juice change that much over that much time. Despite all the wisdom regarding steeping I never notice a difference after a solid hot water bath and one week tops; usually 3 days and it stops growing for me. But that's just me.

 

[sinnyc]

The acetyl pyrazine is something I can't do without, its the magic ingredient in many vendor juices of the RY4 family (Halo Tribeca for one) (~1 drop per 4 ml...add too much and you get overwhelming graham cracker flavor. Add it to something that's not intrinsically sweetish/ethyl maltolish and you'll get straight up fritos, no lie)

The trimethyl pyrazine is the magic ingredient in many vendor juices of the 555 family (~1 drop per 5 ml. Add too much and you'll get straight up acetone). This one is also pretty important to me

Guiaicol many people rave about, I've only managed to get it to work once (1 drop per 5-10 ml!?!?! Its certainly smoky, but not in the way that most of us are looking for. There is a sweetish/spicy thing to it that can ruin a juice fast)

I also have caryophyllene oxide and its disgusting lol

Just my opinions based on taste and smell, no secret info

Yup, I can't wait to try them. Thanks for the mini guide Cyrus.

- Tim

 

[IVapus]

The way real cig changes with time is uncanny, I've never had a juice change that much over that much time. Despite all the wisdom regarding steeping I never notice a difference after a solid hot water bath and one week tops; usually 3 days and it stops growing for me. But that's just me.

To me, it's not just the Real Cig., it's most of the VZ tobaccos in general. The Virg. Flu to me stayed fairly steady after a few days to a week of steeping, but all the others have kept on changing for as long as they lasted. Longest I have made it so far is like 3+ weeks I think. And they all change in the direction of getting better. I was actually beginning to wonder if I was only imagining that they were changing so doggone much. Along with my brand new flavors I mixed a new batch of Dunhill and Island Tobacco last night. I tried them just a little while ago. It's definitely not my imagination. The Island Tobacco especially tastes nothing right now like I know it will in a week. I understand now why I wasn't very impressed with it at first and then after a couple of weeks or more it had became my favorite.

 

[sinnyc]

To me, it's not just the Real Cig., it's most of the VZ tobaccos in general. The Virg. Flu to me stayed fairly steady after a few days to a week of steeping, but all the others have kept on changing for as long as they lasted. Longest I have made it so far is like 3+ weeks I think. And they all change in the direction of getting better. I was actually beginning to wonder if I was only imagining that they were changing so doggone much. Along with my brand new flavors I mixed a new batch of Dunhill and Island Tobacco last night. I tried them just a little while ago. It's definitely not my imagination. The Island Tobacco especially tastes nothing right now like I know it will in a week. I understand now why I wasn't very impressed with it at first and then after a couple of weeks or more it had became my favorite.

I've been thinking the same thing to the point that I'm considering mixing larger batches of double strength base mixes that I can then dilute with nicotine and pg/vg when I run out of juice. That way the steeping process will be well underway

- Tim

 

[Charlz]

I've been thinking the same thing to the point that I'm considering mixing larger batches of double strength base mixes that I can then dilute with nicotine and pg/vg when I run out of juice. That way the steeping process will be well underway

- Tim

It's what I've done on accident in the past. Especially with the FA stuff. This stuff too. It takes a long time to fully grasp the concept of less is more. The FA teaches that lesson quick. This stuff is more forgiving. It's more of a complete flavor that's balanced already and you just need to find the percentage that works for you.
My drawer is full of stuff that serve well as mixing doublers.

That rum raisin may be something that gets me closer to a bobbas bounty kind of thing. Touch of the butter rum maybe and what would be good for the tobacco base?

 

[IVapus]

That rum raisin may be something that gets me closer to a bobbas bounty kind of thing. Touch of the butter rum maybe and what would be good for the tobacco base?

I commented a couple weeks ago that I thought a Real Cig, vanilla and chocolate blend in a fairly high VG% mix made for a pretty good start. I sort of stumbled on that by accident. It also made sense to me for the first time why they only make Boba's with 100%VG.