new to diy and nothing works

[bigjohn1895]

hey all I need help
I mixed up a few flavors and theres no flavor tried adding a little more didn't work so I let them sit over night nothing
heres what I got
harvest berry (cap) 15% tried mixing it witrh the with cake batter sample witch is 10% little bit of sweetness
mango loran 10% this one has a sour note that's all
peach (tfa) 18% theres almost something there

I have read the fruit flavors did not need much steep time is over night long enough to get some flavor ??
did I over flavor?
or are wizard labs flavors light
I did have one that was strong flavor
type m tobacco (tfa) and that was 15%
I don't know what to do next

 

[dannyv45]

It sounds like you may be over flavoring. You need to research the minimum flavor level and add 1% below that and work up. I know it sounds funny but over flavoring will actually result in a reduction of flavor. You also didn't tell us anything about the make up of your base. If your base is nit right your mixes will not be right. If nicotine is to much or very peppery that will make the majority of flavor. Also if you are a cigarette smoker or just recently quit your taste buds are likely not sensitive to vaping. When I first started I could not taste the vapes or they all tasted the same to me. As my taste buds recovered so did the flavors of what I was mixing.

Read my blogs so you get a better understanding of whats involved.

My blogs will give insight into all aspects of DYI, from steeping to what supplies to have on hand to a basic walk through mixing your first E-juice.

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Then read hoosier's blogs. These blogs concentrate on fine tuning your mix and give insight on additives.

E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

Then read Boletus's blog's. These blogs concentrate on formulation of nicotine baces regarding proper calculations methods for figuring Nicotine concentration as well as safety.

E-Cigarette Forum - Boletus - Blogs

Then read Ginger's book "E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid". It is a book which I've contributed to that delivers an in depth easy to follow guide in the art of DYI.

E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid

I recommend viewing VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety and bookmark it for future reference. It explains safety in all aspects of DYI.

VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety

then read the stickies at the top of the page.

this will explain a lot of the how's and why's.

 

[bigjohn1895]

thanks danny I have been vaping for 3 months now and I have got my tastes back
funny how I didn't even know I was missing something and now its wow
here is my mix for the 10%
Nicotine E-Liquid 0.83 ml pg base
VG 3.65 ml
bluberry 0.5 ml 10%

I have read all the posts you recommend and your blog
should I be able to taste them right away ???
im also running a magma rda with new coil and new wic so is it possible that the percentiges are way off because the person that posted them is
using a tank or carto???

 

[bigjohn1895]

thanks danny I have been vaping for 3 months now and I have got my tastes back
funny how I didn't even know I was missing something and now its wow
here is my mix for the 10%
Nicotine E-Liquid 0.83 ml pg base
VG 3.65 ml
bluberry 0.5 ml 10%

I have read all the posts you recommend and your blog
should I be able to taste them right away ???
im also running a magma rda with new coil and new wic so is it possible that the percentiges are way off because the person that posted them is
using a tank or carto???

 

[Kropotkin]

I agree that it sounds like over-flavoring.

I'd take Danny's advice on all counts.

im also running a magma rda with new coil and new wic so is it possible that the percentiges are way off because the person that posted them is using a tank or carto???

The general consensus seems to be that drippers deliver the most flavor, and I think that's absolutely true.

On the other hand, I think flavor is maximized in moderate rather than super-subohm builds, though others may disagree. (I generally stay in the .8 to 1.5 range, myself.) You might try building different coils in various resistances to see what works best for you.

Good luck.

 

[dannyv45]

Dilute your mix with base by half and see if it improves. That will bring your flavoring to 5%. Also What NIC strength are you using. and what are your base calculations? It looks like your using 100mg shooting for a target strength of 18mg. If that is the case try dropping your target strength down to 14 or 12mg and see if the taste improves.

 

[bigjohn1895]

oopps sorry its 36 mg didn't want to start too high
and my target is 6

the big question is should I be able to taste them after say 2 min of shaking or dose the flavor come on slower then that

 

[Kropotkin]

I wait 24 hours to get a general impression, and then put the mixture away for 4 or 5 days before tasting seriously.

I think I may be a bit conservative, though.

 

[bigjohn1895]

so it seems I have vapors tongue so I guess my diy is to be put on hold for a wile its funny how I realized that I couldn't taste my
diy but didn't realize I couldn't taste the ejuice I was using until I tried some one elces tobacco flavored liquid and bam it hit me ]
even bought a new bottle of space jam no flavor makes me feel like a dummy lol

 

[ShariR]

Nah, John. Don't ever say that. This whole vaping thing is a continuous learning experience. Vaper's Tongue can take a while to recognize. Then add in DIY and no wonder you could not tell what you were or were not tasting. Slow it down for a day or two and maybe vape unflavored to let those tastebuds get back on track. You will be fine. You have received some good advice.

 

[Sgt.Rock]

Since your mix is nearly 100% VG it will take longer to "mix" thoroughly...you can speed it up somewhat by warming the liquid to aid in the mixing process.

 

[Boletus]

I recommend making a batch of unflavored and vaping that for a while. I vape mostly unflavored 90% VG 10% water, and use flavored juice to break up the monotony.

 

[bigjohn1895]

ok so im back in action after no flavor liquid and biotene my taste is at 50-75% (per a taste of my fave liquid) my single flavors that I mixed in the beginning were still blah so I mixed a few together and I got a berry cake seems the mango in small dose makes the berrys come out and the cake was just a want for more refinement it wont win a reward but its acceptable for now
since this little experiment went well I thought ill look at some recipes found one for mago creame mint flavor mixed it and put it in a warm bath guess what I had to mix more that one got saved I also made a peachalope that came out nice as well although its a touch strong for others good for me also might be a keeper
is a warm bath say 140 degrees for 4 hours enough steep on fruits ??

 

[Boletus]

is a warm bath say 140 degrees for 4 hours enough steep on fruits ??

Possibly too much, most here say fruits require little or no steeping, but of course there are exceptions to every rule. Try it without steeping first, then steep for an hour and see how that works.

 

[redddog]

I'm with the op.

I can't get juice to taste like anything but rotten flower water.

Horrible. Now I have a cabinet full of flavors that literally all taste like the same rotten water.

 

[JD1]

Also be sure and keep yourself well hydrated. I go with a cup or glass of something in my hand all the time, but I often just sip on it and I'm really not consuming all that much. I've been trying to make a point of drinking some water at regular intervals.

 

[dannyv45]

so it seems I have vapors tongue so I guess my diy is to be put on hold for a wile its funny how I realized that I couldn't taste my
diy but didn't realize I couldn't taste the ejuice I was using until I tried some one elces tobacco flavored liquid and bam it hit me ]
even bought a new bottle of space jam no flavor makes me feel like a dummy lol

Ahh got busted by the old vapers tongue. That was kinda what I was refering to in my first post. It happens to the best of us. Give it a rest for a day or two and then try again.

 

[bigjohn1895]

yea I went with unflavored juice for a day and that straitened me right out but im still not getting much flavor from harvest berry and blueberry both are capella
I went 2% 4% 6% and 10% but there just not right I can tell its there but seems week then at 6 it gets an off taste I figured it was my tastes so I went to my local vape shop today there berry flavors came through loud and clear there base is 60 vg 40 pg mine is 70 vg 30 pg should I use more pg to get the flavors to shine

 

[d4gger]

Many people use a drop of lemon juice to acidify their fruits and bring the fruit flavor forward. You might give it a try in 5ml.

 

[bigjohn1895]

I have to post a partial retraction the off taste was my cotton just retried the 6% no off flavor after I used a cotton ball from my last batch of boiled cotton
so I decided to try one I mixed at 20% and its good not week for sure but no perfume taste
seems I get problem after problem that's not diy related when I try to start this adventure but hey if it were easy it woulnt be any fun