new to mods vv vw vs. just vw?

[tangerine3]

Hi am looking to try the mod thing and I know my husband will want one for Christmas. So far I have looked at the itaste 134, itaste 134 mini and vamo v3 and vamo v5. i'm leaning towards the vamo v5 because it seems so far the newest.

I have some questions regarding the itastes, they don't say they have variable voltage? Does that mean that they are older models before the variable voltage came out? What is the advantage of not having variable voltage? or what is the disadvantage of not having variable voltage? Also the itastes do not have digital displays again is this because they are older mods or do people just like the feel of being able to spin the dial instead of digital button pushing.

Also what is the newest mod out there in the 12-20 watt range, thank you.

 

[DavidOck]

Actually, VV was before VW. But they both do the same thing - allow you to adjust the power. With VV, if you put on a topper with a different resistance, you need to manually change the voltage. With VW, the device will automatically change it for you. (Although different flavors may still work better if you change the watt setting to suit your taste.)

Since many who have VV/VW devices choose to leave it in VW mode, I suspect the manufacturers are just dropping the VV mode on some models.

There are a couple models of the Vamo past V5 now There's a V6, and 20 and 25 watt models, iirc. Those might be the newest tube mods to hit the market, as the high watt box mods are all the "rage" right now.

 

[tangerine3]

thanks i also did glance at kangside V20 and V30 assuming that means highest watt is 20 and 30 so those must be the new ones without variable voltage. When you say "high watt box" are you meaning the mods that are small and square? I see the eleaf istick but i think that has a fixed battery is that a minus? or just a preference thing.

 

[DavidOck]

Sounds like what you saw are the 20 and 30 watt Vamos, yes. Also be aware that there are some that take the 26650 battery, so are considerably bigger in diameter.

Yes, mostly square, although many have rounded edges. The Eleaf is a nice small unit that, yes, does go to 20 watts. And yes, a fixed battery. And some of the other, newish box mods go to 100 watts or so, but if starting out, you may not want to go there. (Heck, I'm NOT starting out, and for my vaping pleasure don't need that kind of power to get a great vape!)

Plus or minus... depends. Initial cost, if you don't already have the right size and rated batteries and the appropriate charger, is lower. All rechargeable batteries, built in or user changeable, have a service life, typically 300 - 500 full recharge cycles. So when a mod with a fixed battery no longer holds a good charge, it's off to the recycler for the whole thing. User changeable, they go to recycle but you just get new batteries to put in. So long tetm cost, fixed battery mods may be more expensive. But IF you hit the high end of average life, and IF you recharge daily, you're still looking at almost 2 years of use before it's "trash," and who knows what new devices will be out then? Replaceable battery mods have had an advantage on feature set - ohm check, remaining battery voltage, visual display and so on - but that line's getting pretty blurred now, with the MVP2, the IStick and others, so it's sort of a wash on that front these days. One key edge replaceables still have is that if your battery does go dead, just swap in a fresh one and keep on vaping. While many of the newer fixed batt types have "pass thru" capability, if you're not near a power source, it's not going to help out on a dead battery.

Both have a legitimate place in VapeLand, imo. I have many of both. I like devices like Spinners and such when I want something lighter in my hand, or on a lanyard when I'm driving. If I suddenly need both hands, I don't have to think about where to put it - just drop it, and it stays on my chest. Larger tube mods can potentially give longer vape time, with the right battery. Are harder to lose, since they're bigger Look better with the larger toppers (i.e. Kayfun, etc.)

 

[tangerine3]

thanks i've learned a lot just today. i see express kits for the eleaf istick that include just the mod and a ego thread adapter. it looks like it charges from the bottom with a cell phone type usb charger. Do you know if any type of those will be ok to use so i don't have to by the whole kit with the usb and wall charger?

 

[DavidOck]

Micro USB and suitable wall adapter to plug it into. I generally use a 4 port, 2 amp one, but have used my android tablet wall wart which is 1 amp. Eleaf recommends 1 amp. 5VDC.

 

[PaulieD]

Here is a cheap start. I have this as one of my mods and it is vastly improved over the previous versions.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...o-v8-25w-variable-wattage-2.html#post14462363

 

[tangerine3]

Micro USB and suitable wall adapter to plug it into. I generally use a 4 port, 2 amp one, but have used my android tablet wall wart which is 1 amp. Eleaf recommends 1 amp. 5VDC.

oops lost me there. I have regular ego wall chargers that read:

input: AC90-264V
50-60Hz
Output: DC5.0V---500mA

is that sufficient for the wall charger to work with the mini usb charger

 

[DavidOck]

If that's the wall wart that the ego charger plugs into, it will work, tangerine3, it will take quite a bit longer to charge an IStick, and may get a little warm. 500 mA is only 1/2 amp, so if you go with the IStick you may wish to find one with a higher output current - i.e. 1000 mA (1 A) or more. If you go with something like the Innokin VV3, or eGo/Spinner types, the 500 mA is perfect. You'll still need the USB/micro cable to plug into the adapter, of course, since the eGo charger itself is ONLY for appropriate eGo style batteries.

 

[tangerine3]

gotcha thanks; what is wall wart? are you referencing walmart? I didn't know you could buy wall chargers there. I'll take a look for the higher amp ones.

 

[DavidOck]

Nope, not Wally World

Just a slang term for the adapter that plugs into the wall outlet, hanging there like a wart... that in this case provides the change from 120 VAC to 5 VDC. But Walmart probably does have them, as do many other "department" stores, as well as electronic and "office" stores. They provide the power that all the ecig chargers need - 5 VDC. You still need the charger. In the case of eGo styles, that's the device with the part that you screw the battery into. In the case of the IStick, it has the charger built in, but you do need the cable that goes from the wall wart to the battery bottom. That's MICRO usb. There's also a MINI that won't fit.

 

[tangerine3]

after thinking about this a little you suggest that if i use a wall charger (wart) in conjunction with the usb cable to charge the istick (2200 mah) that maybe a 1000 ma would be better. Does that mean that even regular or variable voltage ego batteries that are 2200 use the higher ma of 1000 also? At what mah should people use the higher wall charger of 1000 ma? 1300 mAh, 1600 mAh? thanks again.

 

[edyle]

Here's a vamo v7 with vv and vw
3 to 6 volts
3 to 30 watts
https://www.fasttech.com/product/1930901

I wouldn't buy a vw-only mod when there's so many vv/vw mods at the same price.

as for the itaste 134, it is vw only. I guess because it has no screen, it was too to try to add that in.

 

[Debadoo]

Everyone does seem to love the Isticks, and they are certainly a small cost to try out vw. Just be aware that it's a different type of current or whatever. I can't talk electronics with you, but it's pwm pulse width modulation. Basically it means that the pulse is twice as high for 1/2 the time. It's also done in rms rather than mean (or vice versa). I don't know what that means, but pbusardo did a great video on it if you're interested in all that. It's long and very technical, for us simple folks he said, just turn it down a bit if it seems overpowering, which is what I'd been doing with my vv gripper mod that used the same technology. I loved my gripper mod, and even bought a second one, so not saying it's a drawback, just wanted you to be aware of it.
A PBusardo Review & Contest - The Eleaf iStick - YouTube

 

[DavidOck]

after thinking about this a little you suggest that if i use a wall charger (wart) in conjunction with the usb cable to charge the istick (2200 mah) that maybe a 1000 ma would be better. Does that mean that even regular or variable voltage ego batteries that are 2200 use the higher ma of 1000 also? At what mah should people use the higher wall charger of 1000 ma? 1300 mAh, 1600 mAh? thanks again.

The Eleaf site does say that it will charge faster with a 1000 mA adapter, so no problems should arise there. (I use a 4 port 2000 mA adapter, so I can charge more than one device at a time.)

Spinners and ego styles use a charger "dongle" that will be 420 - 450 mA rated. If that's plugged to the 1000 mA adapter, it will only draw what it needs, i.e. approximately the 420 - 450 for it's output plus any power used by the charger itself. Using them in a higher power adapter will not be a problem, as the charging current itself depends on the charger, not the wall adapter. As long as the adapter is a higher rating!

So you can use the higher power wall wart with them, but you won't see any decrease in the time it takes them to charge. Remember that the wall adapter just provides 5 VDC from your 120 VAC (US, different in other countries of course), and the charger, whether separate or built in, controls the current going into the battery.

 

[tangerine3]

what I really was concerned with was that since newer higher mah batteries such as the Vision spinner 1600mah and the new ego 2600 mah are coming out and they also have the higher mah as does the eleaf istick (2200mah) is it still okay to use the wall adapter that is 500ma? Since it was suggested that i use a 1000ma wall adapter with the 2200 eleaf istick. Is this getting confusing enough?

 

[DavidOck]

what I really was concerned with was that since newer higher mah batteries such as the Vision spinner 1600mah and the new ego 2600 mah are coming out and they also have the higher mah as does the eleaf istick (2200mah) is it still okay to use the wall adapter that is 500ma? Since it was suggested that i use a 1000ma wall adapter with the 2200 eleaf istick. Is this getting confusing enough?

Yes, ok to use it. The ego types with the dongle charger will be ok on that, and the Istick will just take longer to charge.

 

[tangerine3]

great thanks p.s. walmart does not sell 1ma wall adapters for usb dongle, only 500ma

 

[DavidOck]

I actually got mine via Amazon. Other "department" stores may have a better selection, or an office supply store, or Best Buy... but the 500 mA one will work for you.