New To Vaping, Questions About Hardware

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mengzi

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Hello all. I recently got my first e cig at a local shop - from what I understand it's a Kanger toptank evod, sold in the top evod starter kit.

I'd like some extra cartomizers so I can switch between flavors, but I was wondering what I need to know to pick one out. Does it have to be an exact part replacement, or with the cigalike style set ups can you mostly mix and match without worrying about safety and such?

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I thought the new evod has a 510.
The Top Evod is eGo. The Evod Mega is 510...

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Um... we're not talking about 'cartomizers' are we?

You'll be wanting a 'tank' or perhaps a 'clearomizer'.

Why not buy a few more Kanger evod toptanks (or whatever they are called). You can pay anything from $5.99 to $15

(Quite why somebody would pay $15 for a tank when the entire kit is $12-$16 online is hard to explain)...
 

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Um... we're not talking about 'cartomizers' are we?

You'll be wanting a 'tank' or perhaps a 'clearomizer'.

Why not buy a few more Kanger evod toptanks (or whatever they are called). You can pay anything from $5.99 to $15

(Quite why somebody would pay $15 for a tank when the entire kit is $12-$16 online is hard to explain)...
Hell if I know what the distinction means. Like I said I'm ignorant. When I try to look up this kind of information, I mostly get a confusing jumble of different tidbits lost in a sea of online storefronts that just have different things for sale and little information for what pairs with what that can be understood by the uninitiated.

What I want is the part that screws on top and holds the liquid. The reason I am curious about something other than that which comes with the kit is mostly explained in the original post, but also I'd like to be able to try different vaporizers without having to buy an entirely new setup.


Your best bet will be to locate some Kanger Aerotank Minis or Protank Minis. These have the same eGo connector as the Evod, and take the same coil heads, too.
Fantastic! I've seen these on a few more sites than I've seen the toptank, which doesn't seem to be offered as widely based on a few days of browsing over different online shops. When I get another tank (I guess that's the word I need) I'd like to get juice, too, so I want someplace where I can order both the tank I want AND the juice I want so I can combine shipping costs. I'm on a budget. But both the tanks you suggest are Kanger products. It's good to know other eGo threaded Kanger products can be used with my battery, but I'm also curious if eGo threaded tanks by other brands will work with my battery, or should I just stick to Kanger? And if so, are there other tanks that may be eGo threaded but -won't- work with my battery? I just want to make sure I don't ruin anything!
 

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Hell if I know what the distinction means. Like I said I'm ignorant. When I try to look up this kind of information, I mostly get a confusing jumble of different tidbits lost in a sea of online storefronts that just have different things for sale and little information for what pairs with what that can be understood by the uninitiated.

You honesty and style are much appreciated! :)
 
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Thanks!

I guess a little bit in the way of self introduction: I'm actually an enthusiastic pipe smoker, but I do not inhale pipe smoke directly to my lungs and find it much less obviously deleterious to my health than cigarettes.

However, I also have a long history of using tobacco of all sorts, and I cut my teeth on cigarettes. Until recently I couldn't remember the last time I smoked a cigarette, much less smoked one and enjoyed it, but sometime in the late fall I smoked a couple packs but put them away in favor of my pipes. Now even loose cut pipe tobacco will usually last at least 20 to 45 minutes in an average sized pipe, and longer for thicker cuts and flake tobaccos and such. This winter I visited my folks for a couple weeks around Christmas, and I just wasn't going to sit around in the freezing cold outside just to smoke my pipe, so I cheated and got some rolling tobacco. Told myself I'd just switch back to pipes and cigars like before once I returned home.

Well, I haven't put down the cigarettes since. One of my favorite pipe tobaccos is a strong British tobacco blend with a very fine cut similar to rolling tobacco, and it is also heavy on really strong fire cured and air cured tobaccos, with some robust notes that could best be described as cigarlike, though that may be misleading. Even smoked in a normal sized pipe, not inhaled, it delivers a stronger nic hit than inhaling a filtered cigarette.

Because I had about two quart jars of the stuff squirreled away and a ton of rolling papers I never used, I just started using what I had on hand. I've been smoking this stuff (Gawith and Hoggarth's Kendal Dark) as unfiltered cigarettes. The slow burning tobacco makes a fairly normal sized hand rolled cigarette with about a 20 minute burn time, unfiltered and high nicotine. Just switching back to pipes wasn't easy, and my lungs have started really feeling awful again. Although it's very old fashioned, all natural product, it's still an unfiltered cigarette....

Anyway, I have no intention really to stop smoking pipes. I enjoy it, and while it isn't a zero-risk activity, it is a degree of risk I'm willing to endure for something I find pleasurable. It is the direct, intentional, repeated inhalation of tobacco smoke that I want to eliminate, and so that's why I got the vape thingy.

So far, I'm really happy I did. Because I continue to appreciate a pretty wide selection of natural pipe tobaccos (especially Virginia blends and most of the blends created by Gawith and Hoggarth) I'm a little bit curious about the potential of tobacco e liquids. I understand some are much better than others but haven't tried any of them. Some of my favorite pipe blends are made in an old fashioned British style with heavy flavoring, especially floral and herbal flavors not used in most modern aromatic blends. Because of this, I thought I might investigate some of the floral e liquids on the market, but sadly there aren't many out there it would seem. However, tomorrow I'm set to receive a bottle of the rose liquid from Virgin Vapor, and probably tomorrow or Saturday I should receive a small bottle of rose tobacco (among others) from ecblend. Hopefully one of those will help satisfy my affinity for bizarre floral tastes! But I'd really like to find clones of one or two specific tobacco blends....sadly, I know it won't happen :(

sorry for the long post everyone!

Oh yeah, also maybe it's common knowledge, but I assumed at first Kanger was "cain-grrr," like kangaroo without the oo...but then I realized it's a Chinese company and I speak a little Chinese...I just realized that it's kang (kind of like the kong in king kong) er (more like arrrrr, like a pirate) 康尔 which means "healthy you." It may sound meaningless random product name to us at first, but there's meaning to it actually, I like it. :)

Anyone have a good recommendation for a site with a well organized, plain to understand explanation of basic terms and concepts in the e cigarette community? I'm curious about learning more.
 
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What I want is the part that screws on top and holds the liquid.

Go with "tank".

But both the tanks you suggest are Kanger products. It's good to know other eGo threaded Kanger products can be used with my battery, but I'm also curious if eGo threaded tanks by other brands will work with my battery, or should I just stick to Kanger? And if so, are there other tanks that may be eGo threaded but -won't- work with my battery? I just want to make sure I don't ruin anything!

eGo threaded tanks by other manufacturers should work on your battery, but they're a bit outdated and becoming hard to find. I looked up your kit - is this it?

Kangertech TOPEVOD Starter Kit

If so, it also has 510 threading so almost any tank should fit on it. The bigger issue seems to be that the kit says the minimum resistance is 1.5 ohm, so that will limit you. Make sure whatever tank you get has coils that are over 1.5 ohm, and don't use lower resistance coils if it comes with those too.

At that resistance, I'd recommend one of the Aspire Nautilus series - the Nautilus (which is big and might look funny on your battery), the Nautilus Mini, the Triton Mini or the Nautilus 2. All the tanks I listed can take the same coils - they'll be labelled Nautilus or Triton Mini coils. Note that the Triton (not mini) coils are a different beast, and shouldn't be confused with the Triton Mini ones.
 

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awesome!

edit: and yes, that should be the correct kit

since it is so cheap as it is, I've also thought of simply getting a second one online instead of getting a new tank, but while I'm happy with my purchase I'm also curious what different products are like. The reason I got this instead of something fancier is primarily financial. But if I could get all set up with something like a basic but reliable and respectable mod for 30 bucks or less, I might be interested in a complete upgrade.

Is that possible? Most things I see are far more expensive than that, and I wouldn't want to waste my money on a crappy product but I also wouldn't want to spend $70-150 on this kind of thing so early in. But if it can be done for 30 bucks and work much better than what I've got now, I'd be interested.
 
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Is that possible? Most things I see are far more expensive than that, and I wouldn't want to waste my money on a crappy product but I also wouldn't want to spend $70-150 on this kind of thing so early in. But if it can be done for 30 bucks and work much better than what I've got now, I'd be interested.

I bought a Joyetech eGo AIO from China for $18 (I think)...

Not surprisingly, it vapes the same as a $50 mod with a $20 tank once you put them same atomizer head/coil in it. (If you set the power the same, of course)

Only time will tell how long it lasts though.
 

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Hell if I know what the distinction means. Like I said I'm ignorant. When I try to look up this kind of information, I mostly get a confusing jumble of different tidbits lost in a sea of online storefronts that just have different things for sale and little information for what pairs with what that can be understood by the uninitiated.

What I want is the part that screws on top and holds the liquid. The reason I am curious about something other than that which comes with the kit is mostly explained in the original post, but also I'd like to be able to try different vaporizers without having to buy an entirely new setup.

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  • A picture dictionary for beginners with descriptions of clearomizers, nano's, drip atomizers, bottom feeding mods, cartomizers, cartotanks, and RBA's (rebuildable atomizers). Includes video demos/reviews of all devices.
 

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So I'd like to try a different vaporizer, too, to see what all the fuss is about. Specifically, something capable of delivering a larger cloud of vapor per puff. Also, I don't know how common it is, but my toptank evod tends to kind of....sometimes little drops of eliquid shoot out along with the vapor. It's a tiny amount and not a big problem, but if some don't do that it would be nice to not have that. Ideally, I'd like to keep the total cost of hardware at or below thirty dollars. What would be a good choice for this? I'd also like to keep it simple, which for me means getting a kit.

Here are some I was looking at:
Innokin Smartbox Starter Kit This almost meets my 30 dollar dream, but because it needs both a battery and a charger it would put it at closer to 40. Not necessarily a deal breaker, but I'd really love to stay at 30 or less if I get something at all.

Joyetech Ego Aio Box Kit djsvapour I think mentioned this one and it more than fits the bill in terms of price - but what about function? Is this likely to be very different from what I currently have?

Subvod Starter Kit by Kanger this comes with everything I'd need and would let me try subohm at my budget. I am under the impression that would help get a bigger cloud - am I correct? If so, is there any significant drawback to this product that you can see?

edit: thanks baditude!
 
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I wouldn't necessarily recommend the 'Smartbox'
There is a type of product out there which kind of masquerades as being clever by not allowing the user control over the power. Innokin did another one which was kind of disastrous and I knew people who threw them in the trash. (iTaste EZ or some other gimmicky thing)

The AIO I have is not the box version.... both work the same way and utilize the same atomizer heads/coils. It vapes at about <25 watts but decreases with battery power, which makes it quite strong compared to certain other kits.
I knew 25 watts (max) would work for me.

Unsurprisingly, I also have the Kanger Subvod (1,300 slim version 19mm) with the Nano tank. That vapes at 27 watts from start to finish... Kanger set the power to 3.7v and it comes with the 0.5ohm coil.

It's certainly a genuine Subohm starter kit.

Even more wild is the iJust2 for example, but 59 watts is past my point for tanks... If I'm going anywhere near that power it's with a dripping atomizer (RDA) so I can keep the coils as wet as possible, since the whole thing is a bit scary. I'm also only using temp control wire (SS) from now on since the latest news about vaping at high temps.
 

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Sorry - there are just so many variables, and I'm just starting to learn! What could I expect to find different at different wattages?

Basically more power = more vapor. :) Deeper inhale, more flavor (most of the time)...

Some folk prefer the hotter vape but it's hard to say at what point it's too hot from a satisfaction point of view.
59 watts on an iJust2 was too hot for me, but dense vapor is quite easily cooled with airflow which is how 100w vaping is made possible. You make insane vapor and then it's cooled down.... totally opaque clouds really.

Back in the day, we used to talk about the 'sweet spot'... for example I vape a DIY liquid (called Boardwalk) which tastes great to me at around 30w. Custards I tend to vape lower (25w)...
My day to day vaping is strong but sweet tobacco styles at only 14-16w.
 
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