New To Vaping With Lots of Questions

[sailorman]

I agree and I would never write off the Twist completely. I have a single friend on a small pension that needed/ wanted an inexpensive backup. Seeing as she already had the relevant eGo stuff I bought her a single Twist batt and she does love it. For the price, if one has eGo stuff, the Twist is a great buy.

That is the relevant point. If you already have eGo stuff or if you already have a backup unit to use during the 2 of every 5 hours that the 650mah Twist is charging, the Twist is a good extra battery.

But, if you are starting from scratch, you absolutely need at least two 650mah Twists. That will run you $50, plus charger. It is nuts to have one battery to rely on. batteries fail. They need recharging. You will be charging your Twist for 2 hours every 3-3.5 hours. This is little better than some of the higher quality cig-sized e-cigarettes on the market.

Two 650mah Twists and charger = $55, plus shipping.
Full sized 1600mah Alum. Vtube charger and two batteries = $61.50 Shipped.

 

[c8h10n4o2x2]

Hello, I will not recommend any but I will give you a link to a site that I found that does reviews on e-gigs. Just keep in mind that mods can go by several names.
E-Cig-Reviews.com - Electronic cigarette and E-Liquid video reviews, tutorials, user guides and discount codes

Hope this helps

 

[sailorman]

Just to keep things in perspective:

At Hoosier, an 1100-mah kGo battery is $17.99 - cheaper than I thought.

KGO batteries 1100mAh

A 650 mah Twist battery is $24.99 at MyVaporStore.

A beginner with nothing is going to need two batteries and a charger, so we're pretty much talking about an extra $14 to have variable voltage. Yes, you will be swapping batteries more often with the Twist, no doubt about it. But you will be vaping with variable voltage as opposed to constant voltage. IMO the added cost and decreased battery life are well worth it. Others are certainly entitled to opinions to the contrary, although I'd be interested in hearing (in a dispassionate fashion) the reasoning behind those opinions.

Dispassionately speaking, one of the biggest complaints from new vapers, and one of the most common reasons for lapsing into cigarettes is battery swapping. People soon tire of constantly charging and swapping batteries. People don't want to have to carry multiple batteries in order to survive a day at work or a day out.

It is not fair to compare a 650mah device with a 1100mah device. Battery capacity is a MAJOR issue and not to be underestimated. All the variable voltage in the world is useless with a dead battery.

A fair comparison would be adjusted to account for battery capacity. Three 650mah Twists would be needed to almost equal a pair of 1100mah kGos. The full kGo kit is $44 for 2200mah. Three 650mah Twists, at 1950mah, are $75, plus charger, nearly 2X the cost of a kGo kit. A Vtube with 3200mah worth of batteries is $62 shipped. Even considering the VV factor, and in light of the long list of advantages the Vtube has over the Twists, the Vtube is less expensive and a better value than either the kGo or the Twist.

Two 650mah Twists would barely last you a day at work, and unless you recharged them in the meantime, you'll end up with nothing to vape when you get home while you try to catch up with charging. So, in order to survive a day away from a charger, you'd really need 3 650mah Twists.

As a backup or a spare battery, a $25 Twist is fine. But as a starter set, the price climbs rapidly and there are better options.

 

[klac]

Me personally, I like the Ego Twist if for nothing more than it being a VV device with the size of a normal Ego (650 mah). I started out with cig-sized units and quickly moved on to the Ego (Joyetech). I would have been perfectly fine staying there, as it did seemed to remedy my battery life issues. The only reason for me even considering another device, was to take advantage of variable voltage, as it was "all the rage". After using a Lavatube to cure my curiosity for what variable voltage had to offer, I quickly found that portability-wise, this was not the device for me. I now own 3 Ego Twist (650 mah-two for daily use, one for just in case one fails), and my LavaTube hardly gets touched. The portability and variable voltage in an Ego-sized device, to me, was just unbeatable. To each his own though.

 

[Thangor713]

o.0 I think my brain just exploded! To answer some of your questions and to help a bit more. I am looking for something at the moment that i really don't have to tinker with much. I got the cigarette sized ones mainly because they would fit in my pocket while i am at my current job (retail drug store), but the juice i use is supposed to taste like tobacco.....not so much from the bottle it smells nice but vaping it taste like....wet sock sounds about right.

So basically i don't want one that is like a baton in my pocket while I work, One that when i vape it if i get peach or apple or cherry it taste at least 90% like said flavors and not my sock, One not too hard to work with maintenance wise, and one user friendly for the "technologically challenged" (wifey not me). As i will have to get one for both me and my wife fairly inexpensive would be a major bonus. My wifes tastes are not so demanding as mine...as long as she gets a decent throat hit similar to taking a drag from a cig she will be happy.

Now also once i have my new job and am settled in i will probably start looking for something that i can tinker with alot more. I have always enjoyed smoking real pipes and i have found some really nice epipes that i like alot. I might try to build my own in the future, but that will have to wait.

Thanks guys/gals for taking the time to answering many of my questions.

 

[sailorman]

In light of the above, a Volt from Smokelessimage.com would be about perfect for you. No tinkering, decent juice, the ability to use other juices and fill your own cartomizers if you want, and a reasonable price in a size that will easily fit in your pocket. The throat hit is comparable to full sized units and better than some. The mid sized battery e-cigs may be too bulky. The Twists, in particular, are huge for their capacity and vape time. If you want more than a few hours, you'ld need a 1000mah model and it's far too big for a pocket. Even a 1100mah kGo may be a bit large, although not necessarily. But a 650mah Twist is 3 hours of vaping at the size of an 1100mah kGo. It would make a decent "at home" unit, but 2 of the smaller ones wouldn't last you a day away from a charger.

A couple sets of Volts, with charging cases would work well for what you need. You can also take advantage of 15% off coupon codes and promotions for free batteries or cartomizers on their forum here on ECF.

 

[Glock Rock]

I'm going to have to agree with sailorman on this one. Given what you've said, my money would be on the Volt for you at this time. It's small, it gives good vapor and TH, it's straight forward, it's a breeze to maintain and it's fairly cheap. I'm told their prefilled cartos are pretty good, but I can't vouch for that since I DIY. They are 808 batteries, so any 808 carto will fit them. Blank cartos can be pretty cheap, running as low as $7 or $8 for a pack of 5. You can usually run at least 10ml through each carto if you keep it properly topped off.

One more thing. This can not be said enough. It might as well be our slogan, here at the ECF. "Have backups for your backups." Grab some spare batteries for whatever you decide to purchase.

 

[John D in CT]

I'm going to have to agree with sailorman on this one. Given what you've said, my money would be on the Volt for you at this time. It's small, it gives good vapor and TH, it's straight forward, it's a breeze to maintain and it's fairly cheap. I'm told their prefilled cartos are pretty good, but I can't vouch for that since I DIY. They are 808 batteries, so any 808 carto will fit them. Blank cartos can be pretty cheap, running as low as $7 or $8 for a pack of 5. You can usually run at least 10ml through each carto if you keep it properly topped off.

One more thing. This can not be said enough. It might as well be our slogan, here at the ECF. "Have backups for your backups." Grab some spare batteries for whatever you decide to purchase.

And maybe some backup if his Volt charger conks out.

Let's see, what would I recommend .......

I've got it! A couple of 650mah Joyetech Twists, Joyetech eGo charger, and a 510-to-808 adapter.

 

[NGIB]

And maybe some backup if his Volt charger conks out.

Let's see, what would I recommend .......

I've got it! A couple of 650mah Joyetech Twists, Joyetech eGo charger, and a 510-to-808 adapter.

A huge surprise there. I'm waiting for all the Provari owners to dump them for Twists...

 

[recidivus]

With everyone talking about batteries and swapping problems, wouldn't a good solution be to pick up a PCC that can carry a spare battery and cart/atomizer, and can recharge without needing a plug? I'm not sure if they make them for the setup you're looking at putting together but it's something I would (did) consider into a first kit.

 

[John D in CT]

A huge surprise there. I'm waiting for all the Provari owners to dump them for Twists...

I don't think you've either read, or taken to heart what I said earlier in this thread. The Twist is not the end-all, be-all device. What it is in my opinion is a valuable addition to virtually anyone's collection of weaponry in the war against tobacco and cigarette smoking. Your implication that I'm suggesting that it is a replacement for a ProVari V2 is IMO an inflammatory foul ball.

"I am not going to recommend any one particular setup as being patently, universally superior to any other, for all users, for all purposes.

That said, I'm going to recommend to you a setup that is arguably a no-brainer, slam dunk, practically must-have setup for almost any vaper, regardless of experience level, perceived wants, existing equipment, or skill level.

There are many form factors, for many different occasions and uses, for many different mindsets, many of which change over time. Some people want something that looks and feels as much like a cigarette as possible, like the very capable Volt. That said, I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of people who stick with vaping will add additional hardware to their "arsenal", while always having warm spot in their hearts for, and often still using, what they started on. For me, that just happens to be an eGo-class battery/PV, the Joyetech (constant 3.4 volt) battery. I will probably also get a [ciggie-sized] 510-style setup - or many of them, for those people I start out who absolutely must have a cigarette look-alike, as well as for myself - just to have, and become familiar with, and maybe even to use more than I think I might right now. They will likely be the Volt which seems to be the most universally-recommended PV in that form factor".

A couple of Twists with some DCT tanks and 2.0 ohm single coil cartos is IMO a rock-slid addition to almost anyone's collection of PV's. I will keep saying that over and over and over for quite some time, so you might just have to get used to it.

 

[smd11873]

There are 2 popular styles of thread and this pertains to the KR808d style battery and connector. The volt, bloog, smoov, halo and nexcig are the same type battery with regulated output. Depending on site they claim a steady 3.6 to 3.7 volts. This battery and cartomizer combination has been the best experience in a mini ecig for me.They last a long time and work well if you stick with the carts they sell. Its important that you use the cartomizers they sell or the experience is not maximized. I am not sure what it is they are doing with this style cartomizer that makes it work so well but it does. I started ecigs 3 months ago and have been through all the options including some mods but I came back to what was more of a natural (analog) cigarette feel. Nexcig is by far the cheapest so unless you care about branding go there to try the regulated battery style (maxx fusion, turbo, etc..). Nexcig is on sale right now so you can try them for cheap. There prices are so good I wonder how they are staying in business. Buy your self a small bottle of flavored juice to top off your cartomizers and make them last a long time. There are other good batteries and brands out there but this is the most consistent experience ive had after spending hundreds of dollars trying different vendors and styles of ecig. Dont make my mistake and spend 100.00 dollars on a kit before you find something you like. There are a lot of options so do some looking. The other big thing will be PG or VG juice. You can mix them or go all one type. VG more vapor and less flavor. PG more flavor and less vapor. I am already making my own so I can add flavor to make up for the all VG blend I use.

 

[smd11873]

There are 2 popular styles of thread and this pertains to the KR808d style battery and connector. The volt, bloog, smoov, halo and nexcig are the same type battery with regulated output. Depending on site they claim a steady 3.6 to 3.7 volts. This battery and cartomizer combination has been the best experience in a mini ecig for me.They last a long time and work well if you stick with the carts they sell. Its important that you use the cartomizers they sell or the experience is not maximized. I am not sure what it is they are doing with this style cartomizer that makes it work so well but it does. I started ecigs 3 months ago and have been through all the options including some mods but I came back to what was more of a natural (analog) cigarette feel. Nexcig is by far the cheapest so unless you care about branding go there to try the regulated battery style (maxx fusion, turbo, etc..). Nexcig is on sale right now so you can try them for cheap. There prices are so good I wonder how they are staying in business. Buy your self a small bottle of flavored juice to top off your cartomizers and make them last a long time. There are other good batteries and brands out there but this is the most consistent experience ive had after spending hundreds of dollars trying different vendors and styles of ecig. Dont make my mistake and spend 100.00 dollars on a kit before you find something you like. There are a lot of options so do some looking. The other big thing will be PG or VG juice. You can mix them or go all one type. VG more vapor and less flavor. PG more flavor and less vapor. I am already making my own so I can add flavor to make up for the all VG blend I use.

Sorry, I should also say mini ecig usually means approximately the size of a regular cig.

 

[Jedipapa]

The reason the cartos are so good is because they are horizontal bottom coil. They don't burn as easy and give better vapor. If you stick with cartomizers use one of the three mentioned above. You can also use the Phoenix from gotvapes, that is the size and shape of a carto but uses wicks instead of filler. It's actually a clearomizer.

The halo, smoove, bloog and volt are all the same battery, but the volt is cheaper and IMHO smokeless image has the best shipping times and customer service

 

[Thangor713]

Well I finally decided on a new one to get. The variable voltage is interesting but I could only get one at the moment.... so I went to a local shop and saw a ego and found that the size wasn't that bad so I got the Kgo from hoosierecig.com, less things to fiddle with for the wife. They are LOADS better then our other ones. Thanks for all your advice.