New Tobacco law already taking it's toll?

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TropicalBob

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On a site that I purchase flavored pipe tobacco from .. there was a front-page announcement that flavored cigarettes, not tobacco, are targeted and that neither cigars nor pipe tobacco will be affected. True? I don't know, but these guys sell it and kept customers posted on the bill along the way.

I'll keep my eye on Phillie Blunts. I rather like the chocolate ones, myself.
 

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On a site that I purchase flavored pipe tobacco from .. there was a front-page announcement that flavored cigarettes, not tobacco, are targeted and that neither cigars nor pipe tobacco will be affected. True? I don't know, but these guys sell it and kept customers posted on the bill along the way.

I'll keep my eye on Phillie Blunts. I rather like the chocolate ones, myself.


I read that somewhere else as well

I forgot where, becuase they are only worried about cigs because kids usually do not buy pipes and cigars, and pipes and cigars are not what gets kids hooked
 

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On a site that I purchase flavored pipe tobacco from .. there was a front-page announcement that flavored cigarettes, not tobacco, are targeted and that neither cigars nor pipe tobacco will be affected. True? I don't know, but these guys sell it and kept customers posted on the bill along the way.

I'll keep my eye on Phillie Blunts. I rather like the chocolate ones, myself.
Well that sure would be good news. I'm not big on flavored cigars but if pipe tobacco and snus can sneak by I'll be a happy camper.:)
 

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It is possible that the demand for cigars has gone down, simply because demand has gone down. Its a bit presumptuous to assume that decrease in demand is directly related to increase in taxes. Out here in Cali, our cigarette tax recently sky rocketed (it was a $1.50 increase, so I think its close to $3 a pack now), with name brand smokes costing between $5-6. From what I've seen, demand has not been directly affected yet, and I'm not sure it will be anytime soon; just my $.02.

In my state cigarette taxes went up dramatically in April (fed tax). I didn't notice any decrease in demand either. However, when I went to order cigs online from the Indian Res (where I had always bought them due to cheaper prices) their prices had also risen dramatically. Too high for me. I panicked.

I didn't want to quit smoking, but I could see these price hikes were never going to stop and it was only a matter of time before they were totally unaffordable.

I called the Dept. of Health (before I found out about ecigs) to ask if they had any realistic help to quit, (they didn't, of course, except the gum, patches...) and I was put on hold. They apologized and said that they had been absolutely swamped with smokers calling in a panic about the price increase and asking for free/low cost NRTs. A dramatic increase in callers....

I later told a friend about it. He said he could afford cigs, for now, but he knew other smokers were panicked and cutting down---and very angry about being forced to.

So, just because we're still seeing people smoking and buying cigs, doesn't mean the tax increase hasn't reduced demand.

I'm certainly not the only vaper to have quit analogs completely.

Just look at the very sharp increase in numbers on this forum. A very rapid increase in the last few months.

And, obviously, the Gov, BT, etc. has noticed it too and are panicked about their lost tax revenue---hence their attack on e-cigs..........(until "they" have control of ecigs and tax them too).....
 

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That backs up my experience as well. I know lots of people who are cutting back because of the increased taxes. The cost is approaching prohibitive and people are looking for alternatives. There will always be people who buy them no matter how much they cost, but the soft economy combined with the higher taxes are forcing a huge number of people to explore other options. The cost isn't why I became a PV user, but I'm very pleased to not be giving one red cent to tobacco companies and the government anymore. I haven't touched an analogue since the 1st of June and I probably never will again.
 

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Talk to any tobacco store owner about demand. It's plummeting. It's a sad fact that, percentage-wise, the least affluent, least educated people in America are the highest percentage still smoking. They are the hardest hit by skyrocketing tobacco tax increases. And many of them will buy "smokes" before they buy food for their children. They have priorities, and cigs top food. Gotta take care of the nicotine fix first.

Note that in Florida, cigars are not taxed like cigarettes and are relatively inexpensive. Tampa was Cigar City for a looong time, and that product is protected, even from tax increases that take effect July 1.

Smokers are quitting, switching to generic junk or buying fewer cartons, my shop owner says. He's seeing increased demand for his cigars, and has heavily stocked pipe tobacco, in addition to groaning shelves of chewing tobacco. I've got him stocking Stonewall now.

The times are a'changin'.
 

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Well at least we now know one of the Corp. faces responsible for putting Obama into office. I just don't like being patronized by bureaucrats...Corporate has been tightening the vice grip they have on the American people, to shy us away from being FULLY involved with a Global Conscienceless. My girlfriend is from Puerto Rico, and it's incredible what the American Military has done to an insane amount citizens from there! They've used our tax dollars already to test their bombs and dump waste into the ocean. Read up on Vieques, P.R. (that will make you proud to be an American). Smoking is just a wonderful distraction from all the other lovely places they put our hard earned dollars to work. When and how this new legislation starts to weigh in on our precious e cigs. and juice, then I suppose the most productive way is for us users to start thinking creatively about how we can collectively raise the $20 million - 3 year research that the FDA "friends" of ours are looking for. Everyone would have to come together under organized fashion...Distributors putting a slight % of profit towards it, wealthier users contributing, and donations of all kinds (Religion sure does a gr8 job at this)...sort of a "We the People" demand this. I'm just tired of being led away from the Toxic dumping into our oceans, the unnecessary pursuit of oil, and the sale of "unknown" origin weapons making their way into the hands of children all over the world. I'm sure many of us know a great amount of kids coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan completely gone. I see my friends come from leave of absence and they go right to heavy drug use, and anything to numb the pain of being involved with such a questionable endeavor. Sorry for the rant, but as a 33 year old male born and raised in sunny California, I have never believed that big money corporations ever had our good intention in mind. We now more than ever need to take the strongest voices out from these internet walls, and say NO! when we are appalled by something. If they still want to sell this as a free country, than let them show us that one still exists...Just my humble opinion.

With Much Love - Mr.e
 
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Well at least we now know one of the Corp. faces responsible for putting Obama into office.


Except that this bill has been working its way through congress for nearly a decade. If anyone owes his election to big tobacco, it's Henry Waxman, who wrote the bill (along with Altria lobbyists) and shepherded it through the legislative process.
 

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well lets put this way. the USPS is about to cut even more jobs close to 10% of there work force by the end of this year. I know because I just lost my job from the Lehigh valley USPS in PA. Times are getting worse and you can believe this or not but we are about to face something that can either change this country for the better or make it fall so hard that the third world countries will feel it.

Our rights as citicens have been so distorted that the US constitution no longer has any grounds or place in the US court of Law. Our rights to live our dreams are gone folks. Unless your in with the big league you can forget about living the dreams you always dreamed.

We are falling and falling hard. Until we see greed get booted out of the door our USD will be worthless in the near future. Good luck to you all on finding your dreams. And I hope you can learn to make your own tobacco. And pray you can still get your ejuice and ecigs.


always been a fan of tampas cigars. my cuz use to send me some every 4th of july, 31 of dec. and my birthday....forget that now....its a damn shame.
 

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Hey mmmvaping! Love seeing you here, and in the GG walls...Sorry to hear about your job loss, or did they just relocate you...I know you were the "GG Slim" woman who needed it to be incognito while at work, so I hope just relocated! Very well put! NEVER stop following the dream...and if it's no longer in this Country...it may lead some to another land : )

Best to you and yours - Mr.e
 

mmmvaping

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nope not relocated just let go. yea love the slim but that transformer is looking better by the min now that i dont work for the USPS. I know why Obama sign the new bill. He has good reason....I just wished he looked into a better way than just allowing the huge tax hikes....just to many jobs that could be lost plus millions of USD that could have been generated to find more jobs for those folks who have lost there jobs. jut not fare
 

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I'm so sorry to hear the unfortunate news :(

I don't want to get off topic here, so I'll see you on the GG forums ;)

Stick around us GG Folk, and you'll at least be given quite a few things to smile about:D:D:D

You are sooooooo right "Pleasure and Pain", they most def. are the same...we'll have to take that one up with God :)

Much, Much, Love to you during your hardship - Mr.e
 
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