New "Turbo" Design Cartomizer Feedback Thread

[miss MiA]

The autopsy verified the suspicion. A section of the inner wrap had "gone missing", and the outer batting in the immediate vicinity of the void had "retracted" back away from the coil. One can debate the "cause and effect" or "chicken and egg" on this one.. but the delivery path for the liquid had been violated."

If I may ask, was it 'clean' retraction of some kind, as in with no (not sure which term would be exactly correct so I'll just say) 'darkened areas' in the vicinity of said retraction? Pilling, buckling, however it was the burn-like reaction was described in the other reg & premium cartos?

skydragon, re the glued-on caps, apparently you can just do this:

boil some water and dip just the white tip end of the carto in the boiling water for 20-40 seconds.. it will pop right out.

 

[jazzguy]

lately on the forums i've had to hold myself back from many that's what she said jokes... don't even get me started on people calling those things .... plugs! We've done away with those on the new ones anyways

Yep. Now the battery end condoms have a nipple instead!

 

[Scottbee]

If I may ask, was it 'clean' retraction of some kind, as in with no (not sure which term would be exactly correct so I'll just say) 'darkened areas' in the vicinity of said retraction? Pilling, buckling, however it was the burn-like reaction was described in the other reg & premium cartos?

skydragon, re the glued-on caps, apparently you can just do this:

On the one that I took apart, the edges of the retracted outer batting were clean. It just looked like a partial.... I dunno... perhaps melting. I saw the same effect and material condition when I exposed the other batting to heat. It surface pilled, and retracted.

The inner wrap did have darkened edges around the "missing" areas.

Although the construction method is different, and the materials appear to be slightly different, I don't think there is any radical difference with respect to the way the materials are going to react when the coil gets starved for liquid. It's still a big "dunno".

 

[Belletrist]

Yep. Now the battery end condoms have a nipple instead!

no! NO! now stop it! we got rid of buttplug we're not replacing it with nipple! its... it's... it's a nubbin.

 

[miss MiA]

Although the construction method is different, and the materials appear to be slightly different, I don't think there is any radical difference with respect to the way the materials are going to react when the coil gets starved for liquid. It's still a big "dunno".

Thanks Scott. Just as a point of interest, might good 'standard' (i.e., when we feel like it ) procedures be to let refilled cartos sit for a few hours as used to be advised, so the inner wrap and wick absorb more liquid; and for the frequent top-offs, using one of those squeeze bottles that accommodate a needle, so that liquid could be accurately placed right next to the center areas? Or no big diff ya think?

Saw these linked somewhere around here recently, planning to get some regardless, but may check whether they can be found smaller:

Squeeze Bottles from Howard Electronics.. Low density squeeze bottles

 

[Scottbee]

miss Mia,

I think it is always a good idea to give the carto some time to allow the liquid to redistribute... assuming you have the time and aren't an impatient bahstahd like I am!

Also.... it's a great idea to allow the carto "recover" after vapes. There is a "time constant" associated with how quickly the liquid travels through the batting and filler material. When you take "a vape" you will locally deplete the liquid around the coil. If you give it a little time (ambiguous term.. I know), the liquid will migrate and replenish that area.

And.. of course.. it's always a good/great idea to use liquids that have controlled viscosities and good wicking characteristics. If you are using "thick" liquids, or liquids that appear to have a lot of particulate (like some of the darker liquids), be aware that you probably need to go a bit slower and easier on the carto. And that the carto may not survive as many refills before it needs to be discarded.

It's just a sad and simple fact that these are rudimentary components and that we are using devices that are still in their developmental infancy. We can't just throw anything in there, and use them any way that we want, and expect long life and excellent performance.

 

[Kent C]

When you take "a vape" you will locally deplete the liquid around the coil. If you give it a little time (ambiguous term.. I know), the liquid will migrate and replenish that area.

I always figured that this 'mechanic' was responsible for the 'every other drag' phenomena that I sometimes get with cartos - esp. on peak 3.7 and 5 volts.

 

[miss MiA]

These discussions have been great for making me realize how much room for improvement there was in the way I was doing things. Carto-related and otherwise; have spent too much of my time here looking into stockpiling-related things, and not nearly enough in the general areas!!

 

[skydragon]

no! No! Now stop it! We got rid of buttplug we're not replacing it with nipple! Its... It's... It's a nubbin.

lmao.......

 

[cos]

So you guys are filling thru the battery end. i tried the condom method but i would rather do 1 drop at a time. no offense to the person that created the condom method. just not for me. anyway back to filling cartos. I hear so much talk about putting drops thru the battery end on KR808. i fill my greencig cartos this way and it rocks but when i try to fill KR808 cartos this way i get a mess and load of fluid at the mouthpiece. what am i doing wrong. then when i take a hit i get mouth full of liquid. so i add drops thru the top on a angle but that can be a pain. rather add thru battery end. so what ya think im doing wrong. I know its me but i even try slowly 1 drop at a time. if i add drops thru battery end should i do the taryn spin? or no need to. Thanks

 

[jazzguy]

Cos - I think the 'Taryn Spin' would help you out. What's probably happening is that if you are dropping directly through the battery hole and the carto is vertical, some of the juice is making it's way all the way through the airhole tube at the center and ending up at the mouthpiece end. That won't do you much good unless you just like the taste of juice! The idea of the Taryn Spin is that by centrifugal force, the liquid is forced back down toward the battery end and is more effectively distributed throughout the batting (which surrounds the airflow tube on all sides). But if you are getting too much liquid at the mouthpiece end, you might need to cap it with a condom while filling to keep it from leaking out all over the place, then remove it and put it on the battery end for the spin. Seems like it gets pretty tedious doing it that way a few drops at a time though...

 

[jazzguy]

I always figured that this 'mechanic' was responsible for the 'every other drag' phenomena that I sometimes get with cartos - esp. on peak 3.7 and 5 volts.

I agree with you there, Kent. I also think that comes heavily into play with why I have been so 'lucky' as to have gone through well over 100 cartos - with multiple refills and wash cycles - and have only found charred material on a few of my very early units. I knew I had overused those, it was part of the learning process for me. Since then, I always have multiples in rotation (because of the 'every other drag' situation you mention). By giving them plenty of time to 'rest' between drags I'd wager that liquid saturation has definitely been my friend.

As an example, you can see earlier in this thread the pictures I posted while performing Scott's combustion experiment. That carto looked fresh as a daisy inside, and had been used quite a bit.

 

[Belletrist]

I also think that comes heavily into play with why I have been so 'lucky' as to have gone through well over 100 cartos - with multiple refills and wash cycles - and have only found charred material on a few of my very early units.

that would probably explain my relative 'success' at not burning cartos, too. *hmm*

 

[miss MiA]

I've only dissected two (regs) so far myself, out of MANY I could spare for that by now. Must do, will do a more extensive check eventually. Just an ace procrastinator/behind-runner. The two I chose were ones that, during the time this matter has again been on the front burner (pun irresistible ), alerted via off-taste that their time had come and probably gone. Usually I have no difficulty quitting them prior to that, so not sure if those ones gave up the ghost particularly quickly; or I was particularly engrossed in something; or my awareness had just been raised. (Previous to all this, I'd only seen 'toasty marshmallows' discussed in a very benign way! Unconsciously figured it must be fine, except for negating use of those cartos for refills.)

The two I dissected looked roughly like the pics Michelle43 posted (which I'd also identified with re the cap-off, completely clean view.) In other words, 'not bad' as far as these things go. Bit of the center wrap 'gone missing;' small, not very dark-edged hole in poly. And much of the dark stuff appeared it would come off if washed. Not a big enough sample to paint much of a picture for my particular vaping style tho, so I look forward to going on an archeological dig through my bulk-size coffee cans! Will be interesting.

I do suspect my almost-constant use of adapters (and most often by far at 3.7V) is helping cool things too.

 

[Turbo]

So, do I get these cartos for free now that they bear my name?!

On a serious note, I've been following this thread to see the reviews before trying them out. Seems like an order is in my near future.

 

[JustSayHuh]

I received 5 boxes of these cartos and started off using them on my Protege.. they worked great. I switched to my Silver Bullet with a standard 510-to-kr808 adapter and found that out of 25 cartos only about 10 will thread onto the adapter properly. All of the older style cartos work fine on the adapter but it is really hit and miss with the 'premiums'.. even with the V4L premiums. You can tell there is some type of threading issue because the carto will not screw down all the way onto the adapter.. the ones that Do work screw down very easily. Maybe inconsistency with the manufacturing of the threads?

 

[syntaxevasion]

Hmm, first I've heard of this.. That's too bad

Maybe it's something to do with the adapters..

 

[syntaxevasion]

Try using a staple or something, that might help make the connection.

 

[JustSayHuh]

The ones that Do screw onto the adapter properly work great. But I had this issue with the first premiums that were released from V4L also. The older cartos never had this problem but with the new ones from various places it seems to be a potential issue. I have other mods I can use the cartos with if they won't fit on my kr808 adapter though.

Ok will try the staple mod and see if that helps. Thanks!

 

[Scottbee]

The threads on a couple of my new blanks were a bit "iffy". I was able to "clean up the threads" by running them down on a good adapter a few times.... YMMV