New "Turbo" Design Cartomizer Feedback Thread

[Kent C]

I agree with you there, Kent. I also think that comes heavily into play with why I have been so 'lucky' as to have gone through well over 100 cartos - with multiple refills and wash cycles - and have only found charred material on a few of my very early units. I knew I had overused those, it was part of the learning process for me. Since then, I always have multiples in rotation (because of the 'every other drag' situation you mention). By giving them plenty of time to 'rest' between drags I'd wager that liquid saturation has definitely been my friend.

As an example, you can see earlier in this thread the pictures I posted while performing Scott's combustion experiment. That carto looked fresh as a daisy inside, and had been used quite a bit.

Yep. "Refilling" cartos like you refill a cart is simply not the way to do it with cartos. Like you say - have 'multiples in rotation' - because once refilled they really do need the time to thoroughly soak (preferably overnight - like most suggest) and anything other the horizontal after refilling is disastrous. I suppose you could top off with 8 or 10 drops but then that totally defeats the supposed advantage.

I use cartos only on 5 volt - the only way for me to get decent vapor from them, and so my experience with the charring - the "autopsies" are likely different from yours.

 

[miss MiA]

So now that the Turbo's uniqueness and strong points have been discussed a little further, will this not be coming to pass anymore? (Re blanks or filled?)

These new ones from V9 are completely new, not the same as from v4l. The flavored ones that are coming in will be pretty close to v4l. But the ones that are currently in are Ben's own design.

 

[Belletrist]

I received 5 boxes of these cartos and started off using them on my Protege.. they worked great. I switched to my Silver Bullet with a standard 510-to-kr808 adapter and found that out of 25 cartos only about 10 will thread onto the adapter properly. All of the older style cartos work fine on the adapter but it is really hit and miss with the 'premiums'.. even with the V4L premiums. You can tell there is some type of threading issue because the carto will not screw down all the way onto the adapter.. the ones that Do work screw down very easily. Maybe inconsistency with the manufacturing of the threads?

make sure there isn't some sort of residual glue (or something) in the threads. i had two that weren't screwing on properly, and then i noticed a flake of glue come off one (i was trying to muscle it on, with my unimpressive muscles)--scraped the rest out with a safety pin, and tada.

 

[skydragon]

Not speaking for Belletrist (`cause I'm sure she's got a much purdier voice than I do), I personally go up through the hole in the battery end with a "plastic coated paperclip" that I have unfolded. It's just about the right size for these cartos. I go straight up and through.. spinning the carto on the paperclip wire... centering the element... until the paperclip comes out the mouthpiece end. Then I remove the paperclip, hold the carto up to a light.. and look down the bore. You should be able to see light and a clear bore.

Hi Scott,

I tried this last night and the coating came off inside the carto. 8-o I think the end of the carto cut into the plastic and stripped it. I'm guessing that you don't use an uncoated paperclip because it might puncture the inner tube?

 

[jgdovin]

Hi Scott,

I tried this last night and the coating came off inside the carto. 8-o I think the end of the carto cut into the plastic and stripped it. I'm guessing that you don't use an uncoated paperclip because it might puncture the inner tube?

I cant completely speak for Scott but my thoughts on why he uses a coated one is it fits just right, not too loose or to tight, and its easier to move the inner workings.

I have used a very thin metal paper clip myself a few times, and have had no problems. I dont think if you are careful that this will puncture the inner tubing because if im not mistaken the paperclip is going up through the center of the coil.

 

[Scottbee]

I cant completely speak for Scott but my thoughts on why he uses a coated one is it fits just right, not too loose or to tight, and its easier to move the inner workings.

You are correct sir!!

 

[jgdovin]

You are correct sir!!

yay I finally got into the head of Scottbee, and didnt look like a fool. BTW to follow up on my post before, the skinny paperclip works but it does take some playing with because of the extra room

 

[skydragon]

Thanks to both of you. Any idea as to why this happened? I tried to be very careful. I am wondering if maybe the tube was positioned like the first one thus making it very difficult to straighten which prevented the paperclip from going even remotely straight up. Maybe it got stuck at any angle that couldn't be straightened without having any leverage? The end result being that the carto cut into the plastic coating, stripping it when I pulled it out.

 

[Scottbee]

Thanks to both of you. Any idea as to why this happened? I tried to be very careful. I am wondering if maybe the tube was positioned like the first one thus making it very difficult to straighten which prevented the paperclip from going even remotely straight up. Maybe it got stuck at any angle that couldn't be straightened without having any leverage? The end result being that the carto cut into the plastic coating, stripping it when I pulled it out.

I had one "Turbo" cartomizer that had a very hard draw. I couldn't get my paperclip up through the hole from the battery end. Turns out it was because the end of the metal tube (inside the carto) had a nasty "cut-off burr" on it that was closing down the end of the opening (by the coil).

This may be what is happening to you also.

 

[skydragon]

I had one "Turbo" cartomizer that had a very hard draw. I couldn't get my paperclip up through the hole from the battery end. Turns out it was because the end of the metal tube (inside the carto) had a nasty "cut-off burr" on it that was closing down the end of the opening (by the coil).

This may be what is happening to you also.

Hmmm, so you think I should take a chance on ruining another one? Just asking your opinion. Doesn't mean I have to follow your advice so don't worry about me blaming you if the same thing happens. I always say if I take someones advice, it is my decision to do so and can't ever blame someone else.

Do you think maybe I just did it wrong. I followed everything you said but maybe I should have stopped when it became a little more difficult to twist through. I was thinking the tube was just really off center like the first one.

 

[Kent C]

Hmmm, so you think I should take a chance on ruining another one? Just asking your opinion. Doesn't mean I have to follow your advice so don't worry about me blaming you if the same thing happens. I always say if I take someones advice, it is my decision to do so and can't ever blame someone else.

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That's refreshing to hear. Seems like there's more people who ask advice for the sole purpose of having someone else to blame. lol.

Hence the need for the 'no hamsters harmed' type messages Damn trial lawyers.....

 

[Scottbee]

Do you think maybe I just did it wrong. I followed everything you said but maybe I should have stopped when it became a little more difficult to twist through. I was thinking the tube was just really off center like the first one.

If the actual inner metal tube associated with the base of the cartomizer is "bent", you aren't going to straighten it with a paperclip or anything else. The only thing the paperclip will do is get the coil and batting centered with respect to the metal tube.

So, if you are pushing your paperclip up through the battery end... and then through the inner metal tube.. and you hit resistance.. you might as well stop right there. The tube has a constriction.. most likely due to a machining error... and pushing harder probably isn't going to clear it.

 

[skydragon]

That's refreshing to hear. Seems like there's more people who ask advice for the sole purpose of having someone else to blame. lol.

Hence the need for the 'no hamsters harmed' type messages Damn trial lawyers.....

Unfortunately, that seems to be true. There doesn't seem to be much personal responsibility. Now, there is a difference between being deliberately deceived, but as I stated, if I ask and it doesn't turn out for me, I am the one who made the choice to follow the advice.

You know how your parents always said something like "if such and such told you to jump off a bridge would you do that?" In my opinion it would by fault if I did, not the person who said " Hey give it a try, it might be fun" Unless I was like two years old or something and had no concept of the danger.

 

[skydragon]

If the actual inner metal tube associated with the base of the cartomizer is "bent", you aren't going to straighten it with a paperclip or anything else. The only thing the paperclip will do is get the coil and batting centered with respect to the metal tube.

So, if you are pushing your paperclip up through the battery end... and then through the inner metal tube.. and you hit resistance.. you might as well stop right there. The tube has a constriction.. most likely due to a machining error... and pushing harder probably isn't going to clear it.

Thanks Scott,

If I meet with resistance again, I will just stop. At least that way the plastic coating won't be lodged inside the tube. Hopefully.

 

[Kent C]

Unfortunately, that seems to be true. There doesn't seem to be much personal responsibility. Now, there is a difference between being deliberately deceived, but as I stated, if I ask and it doesn't turn out for me, I am the one who made the choice to follow the advice.

You know how your parents always said something like "if such and such told you to jump off a bridge would you do that?" In my opinion it would by fault if I did, not the person who said " Hey give it a try, it might be fun" Unless I was like two years old or something and had no concept of the danger.

OT....
It's the definition of responsibility. When you look at it, much of the 'help' now given is geared toward taking that away - the so-called 'self-esteem' school where no one loses. When someone loses or makes a mistake, they must have the 'ability to respond' to it (literally 'respons-ibility'). When they are 'saved' from that, then no responsibility is learned and they continue to make the same mistakes. There are countless examples of this all around us and the ruin it does to rational human beings - the exact end intended by those who know 'what's best for us', and do so under the guise of helping or 'caring'.

And hey, ...I'm the 'Hey give it a try, it might be fun' guy

 

[skydragon]

OT....
It's the definition of responsibility. When you look at it, much of the 'help' now given is geared toward taking that away - the so-called 'self-esteem' school where no one loses. When someone loses or makes a mistake, they must have the 'ability to respond' to it (literally 'respons-ibility'). When they are 'saved' from that, then no responsibility is learned and they continue to make the same mistakes. There are countless examples of this all around us and the ruin it does to rational human beings - the exact end intended by those who know 'what's best for us', and do so under the guise of helping or 'caring'.

And hey, ...I'm the 'Hey give it a try, it might be fun' guy

Hi Kent,

I have to admit I don't know what OT stands for.

That being said, I agree with you one hundred percent. Let me tell you a little story. I have a friend who is a principal but when she was a teacher I would help her grade papers every so often. When I first started, I would put a check where a word was misspelled and deduct points for it. She told me they couldn't to that. They could only spell it as it should be. As if a kid is going to pay attention to that. Now that she is a principal, I am appalled at what they are not allowed to do. As you stated, it is all about making the kids "feel" good about themselves. NO, they didn't do anything, it is the fault of this or that. I have no problem with kids learning to have self esteem but we know that if a child or adult, doesn't learn there are consequences for certain behavior they don't learn to take responsibility nor to change any behavior. Nor does it prepare them for the real world where people "lose" everyday. It also isn't the doing of the teachers. It is our stupid government who has passed laws stating this is how the school system will be run. You don't want little Johnny or Sally to feel diminished or put at fault in any way.

We won't even talk about the parents.

I am the "Hey, give it try, it might be fun" kind of girl. Wait, that sounds a little weird. I mean in the jumping off bridges type of things.

 

[jgdovin]

Hi Kent,
I am the "Hey, give it try, it might be fun" kind of girl. Wait, that sounds a little weird. I mean in the jumping off bridges type of things.

Yea yea we all know what ya meant Meh, Wisconsin is very far from me, so your safe. lol.

As for school systems, I am completely with you on that. They have made learning all about how to study for a test, and not let kids know when they've made a mistake.

When I was in elementary, I had my own section of the room because I was in trouble so much. I would walk around to everyones desk and talk to everyone, well I was taught a lesson and held responsible for it. Nice duct tape outline boundaries around my desk off to the side away from everyone showing where I wasnt allowed to go out of my box.

 

[Kent C]

skydragon:

I have to admit I don't know what OT stands for.

OT=off topic. So we could be kicked at any moment ;-)

I have no problem with kids learning to have self esteem but we know that if a child or adult, doesn't learn there are consequences for certain behavior they don't learn to take responsibility nor to change any behavior.

It's all connected - here's how to kill self-esteem - give someone something they didn't earn or deserve. Or don't give them something they earned or deserved. The 'prize/punishment' has to equal the act or it doesn't work. And the real secret is that kids know this already. It is why they have no respect for their teachers or in some cases, their parents.

I am the "Hey, give it try, it might be fun" kind of girl. Wait, that sounds a little weird. I mean in the jumping off bridges type of things.

I guess I'm a bit weird in that way too. IF a person wants to do something, while I may advise against it, it is always their choice. Sometimes I'll even help, if it doesn't involve harm - as in jumping off a bridge ;-)

 

[miss MiA]

...not to mention that it used to be the teachers warning the kids "Stop it or I'll tell your parents!" Now it's the kids warning the teachers "Stop it or I'll tell my parents!" :-/

 

[Scottbee]

Yea yea we all know what ya meant Meh, Wisconsin is very far from me, so your safe. lol.

She's in my backyard and needs to be very, very afraid....