New user with questions

[nates1984]

I tried a 21st Century disposable auto a family member had so decided to check the whole electronic cig thing out. I bought a 21st Century disposable manual at the gas station near where I live and then the next day bought a Crown 7 kit with an auto, 2 carto, and a very small USB charger (cheaper than their online price on the Crown 7 website, I might add).

1) How careful should you be using a USB charger on a disposable battery section?

The 21st Century carto is the much better one, and I've found that the two different cartos operate/taste the same on either battery. The 21st Century makes bigger clouds of "smoke."

2) Does the 21st Century carto produce the level of vapor it does because of the atty in the carto? I'll mix and match pieces to find what I like.

3) Is there a difference between "mah" and "mAh"?

Both of the cartos have a harsher "throat hit," espectially the Crown 7s (which are too harsh with too little vapor to be a very realistic smoking-clone, but they can be backups I guess).

4) Are there any nicotine only liquids or atty/cart types that make the throat hit smoother and fuller?

5) Anyone smoking Basic Full Flavors find a way to mimic the taste, etc in an ecig?

 

[Puffadder]

Welcome to ECFR and Congrats on quitting the nails!

1) I'm not familiar with the crown 7 kit but just because the threading is the same doesn't mean the batteries are. As a general rule only charge your batteries with the supplied charger or known equivalent. Some batteries out there are reverse polarity or require different charging rates and you can easily fry a battery with the wrong charger.

2) The amount of flavor is dependent on several things. The voltage of the battery, the resistance of the atty or carto, and the type of juice all have an effect. I recommend heading over to the ecf Library and going through the Wonderful World of Vaping series to get a good handle on the basics of vaping. The ECF Library

3) No

4) This is tied into answer 2 as well. In general VG based liquids give more vapor and less throat hit while PG based liquids give more throat hit and less vapor.

5) There is no way to mimic the taste of burning organic matter other than burning it. However once you get your taste buds back after a few weeks of being off the analogs you will never want that taste again anyways. Experiment with different flavors and vendors out there and don't be afraid of the fruit and dessert flavors either. There are some great ones out there.

Basically when you are starting out it will take quite a bit of experimenting before you find that perfect vape. In some cases there is no such thing and you will enjoy rotating many different flavors instead of just settling on one or two that work for you.

It's a brave new world - enjoy it and Happy Vaping!

 

[Baldr]

The things that are more or less the size/look of a real cigarette tend to suck. There just isn't room there for much in the way of a battery, juice storage, etc. Consider getting an eGo T or similar.

Nothing I've found or heard about really tastes like a real cig. For most people, that only seems to be an issue when they are first switching from cigs to vaping.

 

[wv2win]

That is just not a good model that you have.

Rule of Thumb: the more it looks like the real thing, the worse the performance.

If you are a about a pack a day smoker, then I would look at one of the better "beginner" models. They are about the size of a slim cigar and use manual batteries which are better than auto batteries like what you have. These have warmer (not harsh) vaper and are safer. I would suggest you look at the E-Power. Better and much less costly batteries than the eGo/Riva but with the same advantages as these models:

e-Power

Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - E-Power

 

[Rizzer]

Agree or Riva with 580

 

[dormouse]

Here is my rule of thumb. Don't buy anything unless you know what Chinese model it really is, whether than is a good and compatible model, what it should cost, and where else you can get parts and supplies.

There are a couple of ecigs named 21st Century so I don't know what model it is.


1) How careful should you be using a USB charger on a disposable battery section?

Just make sure the end of the battery is dry and clean


2) Does the 21st Century carto produce the level of vapor it does because of the atty in the carto? I'll mix and match pieces to find what I like.

No. The level of vapor is the voltage of the battery combined with how well that particular carto is made combined with how well it is filled but not overfilled combined with the amount of VG in the juice (a bit of VG will add more vapor)

3) Is there a difference between "mah" and "mAh"?

No

4) Are there any nicotine only liquids or atty/cart types that make the throat hit smoother and fuller?

Yes but for slim ecigs, cartos prefer thinner juices. PG is thin and lets through the most flavor, nicotine TH, nicotine irritation. VG is thick and dulls/smooths everything PG let through but adds more visible vapor. And one of the 20st Century models (a 2-piece) is either the popular and well supported KR808D-1 OR it's incompatible near-twin rebranders use, the KR808D-2, and those are real 3.7v devices so they provide hotter hit with some cartomizers, and heat enhances the TH of nicotine. I get a softer hit by using a different model (Joye 510 and Joye 510 mega xl manuals with Boge cartomizers). On a KR808D-1 since the popular model has many choices of cartos you could also use different blank cartos and fill them yourself. And I recommend manual batteries if you are refilling/filling cartos.

5) Anyone smoking Basic Full Flavors find a way to mimic the taste, etc in an ecig?

No you cannot mimic burning paper and leaves and tar and 4000 chemicals. You can find liquids with the aroma of tobacco.

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We don't really buy those brands. We buy ones that we know are particular models.

For 2-piece models the popular one is KR808D-1 (one style in either the original manufacturer model (the new gold button ones) or from Vapor4Life.com, another style as SmokelessImage Volt, Bloogplanet Maxxfusion, Halocigs G6). Most people here use and recommend manual batteries. The first style's manuals are mostly sealed with a standard size button. The second style's manuals have a totally sealed threaded end and a tiny slightly recessed button.

The most popular slim 3-piece model is Joye 510 (180mah standard and 280mh for the long Joye mega xl manuals) but other than for testing juices, most use it as a 2-piece with blank cartomizers (there are few prefilled cartos available for 3-piece models)

 

[nates1984]

Thanks for the responses everyone. I'll list what I ordered in case anyone whats to tell me if it was stupid or smart to buy. =P

510 matte atomizer (new)
One of each kind (2.4 ohm and 1.7 ohm) to see which type I liked best.

Spare Battery for GP 510
Two of these. I need to simulate the experience more than I need to worry about efficiency, but I'll make sure manuals are the next I buy.

G4 Empty Cartomizers
2 of these, for 10 total empty carts.

AltSmoke.com | Personal Vaporizers | Electronic Cigarette | Ecigs | 5ml - High Caliber Samplers - High Caliber - USA Made - E-Liquid
One of each of the following: Virginia, Turkish, Red & White

I'm guessing I'm going to need to use some kind of syringe to fill the empty carts? I have a USB charger from the Crown 7 thing, so something to fill up the carts with is the only thing I need, I think.

EDIT: One other question, what's a good, clean (as in manufacturing practices), consistent brand/type of pure PG or VG liquids with 18 or 20-something nico? I was thinking i could add some VG or PG to the samples I bought to find a balance I like.

 

[BardicDruid]

For refilling the Cartomizers these might help a lot

FLüXomizer 15ml Bottle Applicator Kit [gotvapes-bottleapplicatorkt-15ml] - $3.99 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

E-Liquid Bottle with Tips

There what I use and don't make nearly the mess as using a syringe, the first one will take any Luer Lock needle. For cartomizers and clearomizers only use 20ga needles, the hole in the fill cap is that size. Other wise looks like your set to go.

 

[DAlberto]

Hi there,

Like with most things personal preference varies so there is no one kit that will be the "best". I've only been vaping a few months and started out with a 510 kit from cignot.com (Vicki is awesome and she's happy to help you with questions you might have). While this did do the trick for me I soon wanted more, the battery life was just too short, so I switched to an Ego-T "B" tank system from cignot again. I think I switched from a 510 to the tank system in about 2 weeks. Three months later I'm still on the Ego-T tank system. Battery lasts about 2 days for me, when the 510 battery would last a night. It is more hands on but I've had great success with mine.

Using cartos can eliminate the hands on aspect and yes, you will need a syringe and needle for refilling. I've used my Ego-T batteries with my old 510 atty (drip tip) and also the xl clearomizers from TW (Totally Wicked) but I find the xl clearomizers are fragile. I'm still trying to find the "best" combination for me but there's nothing like a freshly cleaned atty and a fresh tank.

As for liquids, I really like the ECOpure series from Intellicig (again you can get these from cignot.com). I've tried the Menthol and Rich and like them both. Clean tasting and can vape them all day long without them getting "too much" or become cloying.

 

[Puffadder]

@ things you might want to reconsider. the 1.7 ohm atty is no good on a small 510 battery as it will stress it too much. Also get a new charger for the batts. They are only a few dollars and you would be gambling to use your old chargers.

USB Charger for Joye 510 150mah

I could be wrong as I use Ce2's instead of G4's but I believe you can just drip into these after removing the plug. However GP has a cheap refill kit as well. EZ Refill Tool

 

[dormouse]

Not a great choice. You chose automatic batteries - harder to get a good hit and more easily damaged by juice leaks. Autos might also turn on accidentally in wind or vibration.

You bought a 1.7ohm atty which might damage the battery (2.4 probably won't hurt it but is still lower than I would go on slim 510 - I would stop at 2.5 but I don't even use that because the battery life is short enough with 2.8-3.0 cartomizers, no need to make it shorter with a lower ohm atty)


If you want to use LR stuff (under 2.5ohm) and have hotter hits, you buy a fat battery model like Joye Ego or Riva 510 or a mod. With slim ecigs you use standard resistance.
The most popular cartos for 510 threaded devices are Boge, and slim 510 uses standard resistance 2.8-3.2 ohms.

You bought the less popular type of clear cartos, unknown ohms, and BTW they may crack. If you want clear cartos the upcoming CE3 ones aka Smokymizers are supposed to be less breakable. Gotvapes is selling an early version as "Deluxe Fluxomizer" and you can select to add a blunt syringe or syringe bottle to your order.

 

[wv2win]

I agree with what some other stated: auto batts - not good; small battery - you will be changing that battery every hour or so unless you only smoked 7 or 8 cigs a day.

 

[evilparks]

I've been using cig-like ecigs (Bloog Maxxfusion) for 6 months smoke free. I've tried a couple others (510 auto and manual, Safecig) and the Bloog was heads and above better - not even close and still use it daily. That's not to say that I disagree with anything others have said - I have higher mAh batteries in 510 models (ego, box mods, etc) and they're great (Boge cartomizers are awesome for 510).

On the auto vs. manual thing - I started only using autos and have grown to prefer the manual ones just because you don't have to worry about dripping into it to fill it with it on the battery and ruining the battery. If you're careful though (being .... about it helps) autos can be great but again it depends on the vendor - the couple older 510 autos I tried were a PITA and you had to do primer puffs and stuff to make them work well but the Bloog ones I have turn on instantly. Another tidbit - I find, in general, manual batteries seem to last longer as you're only powering it as long as you hold it in and I actually like to cut it off JUST before I stop inhaling which helps stop with condensation on the mouth piece and such.

Anyway - my 2 cents from a relatively new (7 month-ish) vaper.

 

[nates1984]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I've spent about $80 so far ($11 disposable, $23 Crown 7 kit, and online order for $50-ish), so if I'm still vaping twenty days after I receive my online order I'll get manuals, maybe a PCC, at the very least a better charger, and more juice. Probably also standard (2.8-3.2 ohm) attys since I'll have 510 slim or whatever. Will use the .... out of the blank carts before I replace though. Could get a better battery for the 1.7/2.4 attys I ordered as well. If I buy all that it should be a good amount of parts to supply the habit for quite a while, if I'm still doing it in twenty days that is.

Seems I got mismatched parts, but oh well, it'll make it easy for me to experiment with batteries/attys/etc.

 

[Michael Curry]

Seems I got mismatched parts, but oh well, it'll make it easy for me to experiment with batteries/attys/etc.

That could turn out to be one fast experiment. Good luck.

 

[nates1984]

So the top in an empty cart which needs an atty and battery to work?

The bottom is what I thought was an atty, but its hollow with a piece of wick in it, how exactly do you use it?

The two don't fit together. I'm confused.

 

[Puffadder]

The top is actually a carto (short for cartomizer) or since you have the clear tube version can also be referred to as a clearo or clearomizer. There are other branded version but we don't need to go there just now. It has the atty buit in and all it needs is some juice and a batt to work.

The bottom is an atty and there are several ways of using them but primarily there are 2 common ones. Dripping or using with a cart. To drip all you need is a batt to attach it too and then you can drip your juice directly onto the wick or bridge to vape. A cart is a smal plastic end cap for the atty which usually comes with a white filler material. You add your juice to the filler material until it is moist and then attach it to the atty and vape.

My first advise to you is to go to the ecf library The ECF Library and go through all 6 parts of the Wonderful World of Vaping series. This will all become much clearer then. There are also many You Tube tutorials on dripping, using and cleaning atty, cartos, etc. that will help you get started as well.

One final not on the auto vs. manual batteries. There is a lot of FUD out there about the autos and with all due respect to dormouse and others unless you are dripping I heartily disagree as far as autos being clearly better. I have 2 510 autos and 2 510 manuals that I use daily and I get better performance and longevity out of my autos than the manuals. They hit harder and last longer for me. The whole bit about activating with the wind and noise used to be true but hasn't been the case since the newer autos have come out a while back. Plus there is no button to accidentally get activated while it is in your pocket. Yes my autos have a 5 - 6 sec. cutoff but that is about the limit of my draw anyway if the pv is functioning well. There is also no priming required with the current autos.