NEW VAPer! Just got my Riva 510 and Joye 510, today

[interestingfellow]

SO,
I want to switch to esmokes full time, my wife, only when in her new (to her) car.

I went over to liberty flights, and picked up a Riva 510 for me and Joye 510 for the wife.

I love the riva, not a ton of vapor, but certainly enough. The Joye 510, I'm not so impressed with. I can barely exhale visable vapor. Is this typical? I should say, we are using vg juice, as the pg I've tried before makes my gums raw. I've tried friends ecigs, as well as the dern mall kiosks.


I charged the batteries, and put about 10 drops into new empty carts with the.... whatever that material is (lookes like batting for sewing). When in my Riva, I get really decent hits. When in the Joye, I barely exhale anything. Is this typical?

 

[Bagelkit]

Have you tried taking long and slow inhales? With my Joye 510s, I just take it easy and draw in alot of vapor. It could be your liquid too. I tried making an eliquid out of purely vg and it didn't produce as much vapor as one thats 50/50 vg pg.

 

[GracefullyBitter]

I started with the Joye 510 about 6 months ago and am now switching to the Riva 510. I liked the Joye 510 plenty, but felt like I had to take long and slow inhales too. It was frustrating at first (took about 2 weeks on the learning curve), but then got the hang of it.

I am switching to the Riva for longer battery life, and I heard it is better than the slim. My Joye atomizers finally died, and instead of buying new ones, a new model seems in place.

Just be patient! I learned with the Joye 510 that patience is really important, and if you cough or have no vape coming out, then you're doing it wrong. Choices of e-juice also contribute to vapor production.

 

[interestingfellow]

Alright, I took the video upside down, sorry. If you know how I can fix that, lemme know.



Of course, when I take a vid, it works fairly well!?!?! What I was getting before wasn't an nth of that. I even dripped on the atty, just to make sure.

Also, I filled a cartridge with menthol:OK. but I also mixed chocolate and almond in another cartridge (1 drop of one, followed by 1 drop of the other, till I hit 12 drops). I can't really taste the difference. Maybe it's the VG. Maybe i smoke too much and can't taste anything. Maybe I should clean the atty before swapping?

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

And you are sure the juice is getting to the atty? Some flavors are just weak. One thing to try....in 5ml to 10ml juice....put one drop of distilled water or vodka. The water will produce vapor.....you don't want any more than that.....
just a thought.....I have tried it and it does work....just have to be careful on which juice you pick. you can dilute the flavor that way.

sas

 

[dormouse]

You might have a lower resistance atomizer on the Riva and that would vape hotter? (you can only use LR attys and cartos on the fat battery 510's, not the slim ones)

I recommend Boge soft-cap cartomizers (standard resistance i.e around 2.9 ohms for the 510). That's all I use on my 510. And I have manual 510s so I don't have to be overly concerned about carto leaks. If your 510 has auto batteries then you do need to be concerned about those - if a carto leaks it could damage or kill an auto battery since it would leak right on the hole in the threaded end of the battery. Manual 510's are totally sealed there.

If you want to use the atty+cart on the 510 or Riva, you could try precut blue foam stuffing from strictlyejuice.com

 

[interestingfellow]

Well, I love the Riva, don't care for the juice I got, and my wife doesn't want her Joye 510.

JSYK where I'm coming from, I have been lurking for a year. I didn't know what questions to be trying to answer exactly, so I tried to do my best at researching the details before my first purchase. The "wonderful world of vaping" was quite informative, and is the base of most of my knowledge on the subject. I lack real world experience/application, but I'm on my way.

I just don't really taste the chocolate, coconut, or almond. I even rinsed the atomizer and tried a fresh mix of chocolate and almond: I can almost aftertaste chocolate, but only if I really concentrate. At that point, it's just placebo effect (might as well be, anyway). Am I just expecting too much flavor? I thought the flavor would be quite prominent (1/2 way between smelling a Hershey's bar and eating it). I even added 1 drop of water to the mix (in the cart, let it sit for 10min to let it all mingle) just to see if more vapor would let me get more flavor. When I pop a "menthol" (yeah, mint is more like it) back in, I can taste the difference, but only cause it's menthol.
That, and the vapor is quite sweet, not what I had expected for a "newies" styled juice (as described on LF site). Also, my wife says she can smell it when I exhale and it lingers (cause it's soo sweet), nor does she like the flavor of that juice (vg menthol blend).
Is all this typical of vaping? or just PG base? or is the Liberty-flights PG juice in particular?


I'm looking at Nhaler's now, but I'm hesitant, as I'm a bit disappointed with my first go round. I'm off the analogues, I haven't had one since I threw my Riva together at lunch yesterday (which is surprising). Don't get me wrong, there were a few times I almost lit a newport, but dern it, I'm gonna make this work! I just have to figure out what I like without spending all kinds of cash on trying to find the right juice.

My wife is bent on "cigaretteness". She wants automatic, and likes the idea of an analogue looking ecig. I let her try my riva, and the regular Joye 510 just pales in comparison. I'm looking at sending the Joye back, and trying to talk to her about what would be good. I need to get her over the whole "it doesn't look like a cigarette" thing. That, and she expects it to taste just like a newport. I tried to explain, if they made e-cigs that tasted exactly like an analogue, then we wouldn't be having that conversation.
She's tried friends' e-cigs, but didn't really care enough to discuss the nitty gritty with me before I ordered her unit. Now, I have her attention, so I can get her a better suited unit.

There is a head shop on the edge of town that has a "menthol" starter kit for $40. Several of our friends have used them, and commented on how good they are, but also IDK that those same friends have any idea what a personal vaporizer is (I need to consider the source of the opinion). I was hoping we could both use the same based units (eg, 510) so we can order and use the same parts, but might not be able to do that. I'm gonna check this afternoon which units they have, and what parts they take. It'd probably be easier to just get her one of those, and keep trying to find a decent juice.

We'll see what I can do.

Thanks in advance!

PS: Where do I edit my signature (I can't find it in the CP)? I wanna get one of those "quite for x time, saved x dollars" banners.

 

[dormouse]

Is she OK w/ the diameter of the 510?

The Joye 510 looks more like a cigarette with a cartomizer on. It makes it 1cm shorter and divides it up into two pieces of cigarette/filter proportions. If you had a white Joye automatic 510 it would look like a white cig with a black filter? I vape a 510 w/ Boge soft-cap cartomizers and it's great.

Or this here is a KR808D-1 shorty auto kit that looks like a cig (though the other flavors of cartomizer are likely to be different colors). She would just have to be real careful about refilling cartos and make sure they are not going to leak before putting back on the battery. I also vape a KR808D-1/Vapor4life - I think less vapor than 510 w/ a carto, but a slightly hotter hit.
LeCig Electronic CIgarette Store - LeCig D1

If she refuses either of those, you could get her an automatic M401 and she's have to struggle with a tiny juice cup that needs to be pushed up with a paper clip to add eliquid (typical of cigarette-look ecigs( and a hard drag.

Re juice "flavors" - what juices are you using? If they are those Chinese PG juices, they are not the pinnacle of ejuices. And the human tongue can only taste 5 things - sweet, salty, sour, bitter and umami (msg). You need to get everything else from aroma. So remember to let your nose have some of the vapor. The more spot-on the juice maker is with any sweet/sour/bitter and the better the aroma, the more the "flavor" will be apparent.

 

[interestingfellow]

The juice came from Liberty-Flights, I'm looking on Nhalers now. I think performance is going to be more important for her than looks. She said she thought my Riva hit x3 as well as her Joye. She LOVES smoking, we've discussed it at length, many times. I smoke so I don't kill the people around me .
I'll find out what those units are from the head shop and go from there for her.


Oh, I figured I would brag for a moment (even though I have issues). I got:

SS Riva510, 10 carts, 2 LR atty's, usb charger (with home usb power supply), and 2 batteries
Black Joye 510, 5 prefilled carts, 2 atty's, home charger, 2 batteries
60ml of "menthol blend"
5 mil chocolate
5 mil almond
5 mil coconut
all 18mg strength
For $109 delivered (I found a coupon code on the internet that ended up being %20 off the total order)

And on a side note, it looks like I'll be vaping 80-100 drops (or so) per day.
Using the rough estimate formula, (1 cartridge=12 drops=3to5cigarettes)x8 carts/day=(100drops=~3.3ml)
(1ml=$.55)x(3.3ml=1+packs)=<$2 per pack (some slop for atomizers/etc)
(Nahlers is $45+5ship for 90ml)

I'm ok with that.

 

[interestingfellow]

PG based from LFlights

 

[MickeyRat]

Judging by what you said, I don't think your wife wants to switch. That's it. No matter what you get, it's going to be too big, too heavy, it doesn't taste right, etc. The only thing that duplicates a cigarette is another cigarette. She'll always be able to find some excuse and it sounds like that's exactly what she's going to do.

 

[socalfisher]

Alright, I took the video upside down, sorry. If you know how I can fix that, lemme know.



i mainly use Sony Vegas for any editing but you can use basic windows movie maker Add the Rotate effect View video effects." Alternatively, go to the Tools menu and select "Video effects." Scroll down to Rotate 90, Rotate 180, and Rotate 270 and drag the desired effect to the movie clip in the time line

 

[dormouse]

Re PG and 18mg - if your tongue or throat get sore, try juices with 20-35% VG in the base ie. 80pg/20vg or 70pg/30vg (I like the latter). PG does little to buffer the skin irritation of nicotine. And the VG will add more visible and persistent vapor.

 

[interestingfellow]

Judging by what you said, I don't think your wife wants to switch. That's it. No matter what you get, it's going to be too big, too heavy, it doesn't taste right, etc. The only thing that duplicates a cigarette is another cigarette. She'll always be able to find some excuse and it sounds like that's exactly what she's going to do.

She came to me about it.... She just sold her beater 92 Wrangler and now has a much much better condition 01 Ford Escape. She's trying to take care of it, and doesn't want to smoke analogues in it. This is my chance.
You're right though, she has said straight up, "i'm not trying to switch over %100; just in my car".

But if it's a sacrifice she is willing to deal with in order to keep her car nicer, she'll be more likely to stick with it. And if she sticks with it, maybe she'll swap over completely. I hope. Especially since I'm kicking the analogues myself. Both of us don't know how a smoker and a non smoker can be a couple. Ecigs are closer to non smoker status than "2 packs of newports per day" smoker.

I think she is less willing to deal with the complications of a Riva, but is open to something easy and convenient (which is more costly).

We'll see how it pans out.

 

[dormouse]

The D1 at leCig is KR808D-1 - a 2 piece and easy (I linked to it on the previous page). I don't know if their cartomizers are soft-cap but you can pop the top on soft caps and add juice - just have to be real careful they aren't going to drip. I get 4-7 days use out of a KR808D-1 carto so it's not that expensive - a couple of bucks spread over 4-7 days.

Or you could try cartomizers on the 510 you got - try standard resistance (not LR) Boge soft-cap cartomizers. I get them at LiteCigUSA.net

 

[dormouse]

I think get some standard resistance (not LR) Boge soft-cap cartomizers at LiteCigUSA.net. And get a drip tip while you are there for testing juices by dripping on the atomizer.

And elsewhere get some nice 70pg/30vg (or 80pg/20vg for more TH) juices so she will be exhaling lots of nice vapor. If she likes one of the juices, carefully pop the top of a Boge carto, add about 1ml of juice (18-24 drops) into the stuffing (holding a tissue on the threaded end in case it drips). Then angle the open end down into a tissue and puff into the threaded end to clear the air channel. You should be able to see light through it. Use a bit of tissue to clean up any juice pooled above the stuffing. Cap it and let it lay on different sides for 10-15 minutes to make sure every bit of stuffing has absorbed juice (so you don't singe it). Then have her try that on the 510. The first several drags may not produce a lot of vapor but once it has gotten rid of any excess wetness around its coil it will vape great. I get great vapor from those cartos. And you don't have to add juice to a carto as often. I was scared of trying to use them at first - I didn't know how and thought it would be more work - but it is less work and easier and they are awesome. I think she will like the 510 better with a good carto on it.

BTW if you like one of the Chinese PG juices a lot, you can make a PG/VG version by mixing a 30ml bottle of the PG version with a 10ml bottle of the VG version of the same flavor and nicotine.

 

[DC2]

Regarding the lack of vapor from the 510 I think there are two problems here...
1) Some atomizers take some time to break in
2) You are using an automatic battery

Of all the possible answers to inconsistent performance, and low vapor, the first suspect is ALWAYS the automatic battery.

Try getting a manual battery for the 510 and see if that changes everything.
If not, then and only then might it be something else.

 

[interestingfellow]

The two units available locally are:

E Cigarette Online, Electronic Cigarette, Electronic Smoking, Purchase E-Cigarette Online. (puresmokeonline dot com)and
smoke 51 from vapor-corp dot com Vapor Corp. a publicly traded company (OTCBB:VPCO). The Market Leader in Personal Vaporizers and Electronic Cigarettes. and

(I came back to throw in the url's, cause the board turned them into friggin ads.... who knew?)

Anyone???
I don't have time to look right this second. If one of them is compatable with the 510's, that would rock!
TIA!

 

[MickeyRat]

The two units available locally are:

E Cigarette Online, Electronic Cigarette, Electronic Smoking, Purchase E-Cigarette Online. (puresmokeonline dot com)and
smoke 51 from vapor-corp dot com Vapor Corp. a publicly traded company (OTCBB:VPCO). The Market Leader in Personal Vaporizers and Electronic Cigarettes. and

I don't think either one will work with a 510. They both look to be KR808D2s. The rebranders favorite.

 

[dormouse]

No don't buy KR808D-2

If you want a 2-piece auto in white with tan cartos look at LeCig.com's D1 kit, or if tan cartos doesn't matter see plain KR808D-1 kits at LiteCigUSA.net or Vaporleaf.com or others. And colors/prefiled cartos (in colors) at Vapor4Life.com. You could also look at Bloogplanet.com if you are getting auto. I don't like auto but if that's what you want they sell only auto but they may be out of the short model.

Why? KR808D-1 is the 2-piece ecig threading supported in the normal price marketplace. It is the threading the whole variety of blank cartos are made in (they are also made for 510). The D-2 is the fave of ripoff rebranders who usually charge too much for parts, don't sell blank cartos or juice, and may even sell cartos with glued on caps to discourage refilling. One KR808D-2 rebrander banned someone from their facebook page because he commented about refilling their cartos. D2 sellers are generally ripoffs in one way or another. At least two of them charge over $40 for a replacement battery. And BTW do not believe what ripoff rebranders say about how long one carto lasts - they exaggerate.

if what you are looking for is prefilled cartos for 510, there are few decent ones. You will find some filled with the Chinese PG "tobacco" at various multibrand hardware vendors. And I will get you a link to one place that sells a small badly stocked selection of prefilled 510 cartos... Here they are - I do not know how easily they can be refilled - they could be hard or glued on caps so save the condoms that come on them.
http://www.liquidxpress.com/Xpress-510-Cartomizers-c9/
And nHaler has some prefilled Mega cartomizers for 510 (soft-cap)
http://shop.nhaler.com/510-Mega-Cartomizers-Pack-of-Five-510megacart.htm?productId=124