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This story mirrors my experience almost identically.

When I was younger, everybody smoked. As I got older, one by one my friends grew up, decided to be responsible, and quit smoking. Now in my 30s, I was the last holdout, refusing to quit more out of reverse-peer-pressure than addiction. The more I was told "Dude, you really need to quit", the more I wanted to smoke just to prove that "nobody tells me what to do!". It's stupid, I know, but knowing it's stupid doesn't make it any less a hardwired part of my flawed personality.

So when I tried ecigs, it was an easy out for me. I could "quit" smoking without having to admit that other people were right. I never intended to quit. I didn't even want to quit. I just wanted to try something new and have an excuse to buy a nifty gadget. Two months later I haven't had a single cigarette since I got my first 510 kit. I like vaping more than I ever liked smoking, and it gives me a continuing excuse to buy more toys. It's not just a habit, it's a hobby. And the best part is, now people have one less excuse to try to tell me what to do.
 

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My 6 year old is turning into an e-cig ambassador. She was so proud of me for switching (and I get longer hugs now what I don't stink) and she has a new friend who's mom smokes. She asked me the other day for cards from one of the suppliers I use to give to her friend's mom when she tells her about them :).
 

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Jaka, love your beautiful and well written posts. I've been analog free for two weeks now...pretty much accidently as well thanks to my e-cig. I only tried it to see what my daughter was raving about and quickly found that I also love vaping. I have three friends who are seriously in awe with what they have seen happening to me and just ordered their own e-cigs (after trying mine). I'm looking forward to showing them how to refill their cartridges and sharing my juices. Someone here said that whoever invented the e-cig should get the Nobel prize. I agree.
 

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My 6 year old is turning into an e-cig ambassador. She was so proud of me for switching (and I get longer hugs now what I don't stink) and she has a new friend who's mom smokes. She asked me the other day for cards from one of the suppliers I use to give to her friend's mom when she tells her about them :).

My 6 year old is not an ambassador but he keeps asking me over and over again why "those kind where you had to burn off the end of them" are still legal if they are bad for you and smell so bad and why everybody can't have "the new kind" instead.

I can't seem to explain it so that it makes any sense... guess that's why he keeps on asking.
 

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Put these two posts together and you have an extremely well-written, poignant, testimony to the power and benefits of electronic cigarettes. So far Kristin has written a number of articles on a number of subjects, but no testimonial has been written up by someone like you, or like the rest of us.

This is something that could fill that gap, and fill it really, really well.
I am going to PM Kristin to take a look at this and contact you.

Hopefully you would be willing to work this into something publishable?
It is truly an inspiring work, a smooth read, and a pleasure.
:)

These forums have been absolutely invaluable the last couple of weeks.

I actually started researching ecigs for a friend who really wanted to turn an enforced cigarette hiatus (hospital stay) into a successful quit, but returned to smoking. She'd tried an "e-cigarette" but found it didn't kill her nicotine cravings and tasted bad, and although she had thought it had potential to help her quit, she was ultimately unsuccessful in replacing her tobacco and clove smoking with what was little more than an inert plastic tube. After hearing about how disappointing her ecig experience was, I thought there must surely be a better version out there and jumped into high-intensity GoogleFu mode. I kept ending up here, and kept learning. End result: I think I may have _accidentally_ quit smoking.

I've been smoking for almost 20 years; my record high was 6 packs a day. The psychology of my addiction is based in part on independence/rebellion; any suggestion that I should quit, internal or external, sends me running outside for a nice chain-smoking session just to prove/reassure myself that I can. Being without cigarettes generates panic. Being asked not to smoke here/now/so much makes me angrily critical in return. I'm not a good candidate for deciding to quit; even my doctor has given up really trying to get me to.

As I researched for my friend, I thought vaping sounded kind of fun. Tastier. Less stinky. Maybe I could add a vice... Less fatal. Maybe I could add a vice and accidentally-without-letting-myself-think-about-it reduce my actual tobacco smoking, without missing the nicotine or missing the physical, psychological, and social rituals. And without making myself angry at myself.

My friend was also told to give up her favorite soda, immediately, as an urgent health concern. She was struggling, feeling that giving up cigarettes _and_ her signature beverage was just too much to ask. I had seen cola-flavored ecig liquids and catridges mentioned here, so I set myself a mission to find her favorite flavor as vapor. In the process of finding it, and researching how to get it into her ecig, I discovered how truly abysmal an example of PVs her Smoke Assist is and how easy it would be to set her up with a better ecig experience. I also kept finding stories of people who had found quitting analogs easy and even pleasant by vaping instead. Great! That supported her initial optimism for the method. I very specifically didn't think too hard about my own addiction. That would spoil everything...

I bought a small Volcano starter kit: one battery, one atomizer, PCC, 25 carts. I chose "Blank" as one cart flavor, threw in a USB passthrough, and allocated the rest of two weeks' analog cig-money to flavors of liquid for the blanks. All in the name of _adding_ a vice - a more convenient alternative that might also help my friend quit smoking if I could find and provide her a better experience.

I haven't had a cigarette since the Volcano arrived. I knew I would initially be too entranced with the newness of all the flavors - four arriving with the kit, and another dozen or so sample sized spaced out over the next week - to feel much interest in the boring old tobacco-smoke version of my habit. I was sure I could distract myself from analogs enough to make it up in my budget and break even. I hoped in the secret recesses of my mind that I would trip over the same accident I'd read of others encountering. Adding a vice. Not quitting anything.

I'm hardly a tried-and-true ex-smoker after one week. But this is new and different... five days ago, I forgot to put a lighter in my back pocket. I had no form of fire on me for two days before I realized it. I'd been carrying my smokes, but had no way to light them. But I didn't feel my normal panic at the realization. I didn't care at all. But when I read that atomizers can break down - _then_ I panicked and ordered two more immediately! From everything I've experienced over the last four days, my addiction has transferred completely. Addictions, plural, I should say. Hand-to-mouth, the escapism of stepping outside, the social aspects of smoking and chatting with a smoker friend... all completely reassociated themselves to vaping instead. And _I want to not smoke_. Before, I would say that "I want to be quit, I just don't want to do the quitting." Now, I like the idea of quitting, because it seems so... done. Past tense. I painlessly, effortlessly distracted myself long enough to start regaining my senses of smell and taste, to run without gasping, to jog up stairs without dizziness, to wake up without chest pain and coughing. Now cigarette smoke and butts smell vile and the only reason I can imagine lighting up one of my remaining pack and bringing back all the awfulness I just escaped is a failure of all my PV equipment. (I've since added another Volcano battery & atomizer, three Sideshos, and a Janty Stick, and a Vapor King is in the mail. I'm in IT; I believe in multiple redundancy for critical systems.)

I really think I've done it. I didn't quit smoking, I just developed a stronger preference for something tastier, more convenient, cheaper, and decidedly less fatal.

So... thanks for existing, for being so full of information, so willing to share personal stories of "forgetting to smoke" for months or years. The inventors, manufacturers, and vendors are making a potentially life-saving product available, but it's the consumer communities like this one that bridge the gap between theory and real success.

This is pretty much why I wrote up the whole story instead of just "Hi, I'm new, wanna post my newbie quota, bye!" - it really was so easy it was almost literally an accident to quit analogs by vaping. All I had to do was be willing to go along with it, and keep my pigheaded rebelliousness from interfering. I never had to even decide to quit, let alone try; I just allowed myself to choose the more attractive option of vaping every time the urge to light up came over me until the urge to light up a cigarette, specifically, went away and the urge to vape replaced it. That took maybe three days, maximum. I smoke(d) American Spirits, so I didn't have any MAOI additives or theobromine addictions to deal with, just nicotine and habits; it might not be that quick and easy for everyone. But half as easy as I had it would still be easier than anything else I'd tried.

In the research I did I kept coming across the FDA's FUD and the awful game of telephone the media played with it, and every time I came to this forum I saw the banners about NY state legislation and the surveys. I took the surveys, and today I signed the petition, because honestly I'm a little scared.

I'm not a nonsmoker yet. I'm not really an ex-smoker yet. I'm just a smoker who's been distracted by a shinier habit. If that new habit gets banned, I'm right back to killing myself. I have no illusions about that. I'm still addicted to nicotine; I use it to self-medicate for ADHD, arthritis, chronic fatigue, and depression.

There are a bunch of arguments against smoking that make plenty of sense, but over the last couple of decades they seem to have degraded into a bunch of semihysterical snippets of dogma: smoke is bad for everyone; smokers are bad people for exposing themselves and those around them; nicotine is bad for addicting smokers to smoke so they won't just quit like we think it's so patently obvious they should; and therefore anything short of total intolerance for nicotine addiction and nicotine addicts is a disservice to humanity, while any amount of taxation, alienation, or demonization smokers experience is their just reward for the sin of smoking.

If the sensible arguments against smoking - the cost in human lives and quality of life - were the real issue, the agencies and purportedly-compassionate activists would be setting up five subsidized e-cigarette stands for every methodone clinic, trying to help smokers separate their relatively harmless nicotine addiction and physical/social/psychological habits from the genuinely harmful delivery method of smoking tobacco.

Instead, we hear that vaping isn't appropriate as a smoking-cessation aid or harm-reduction device because it doesn't require giving up nicotine (never mind all the people now just as chronically addicted to gum or patches instead) - as if my nicotine intake, not its delivery method, were making other people sick!

We hear that e-cigs could be a gateway to smoking tobacco, when the overwhelming majority of anecdotal evidence points the other way - it's not a gateway in, it's a doorway out.

We hear that tasty flavors are intended to appeal to children, presumably to addict them to nicotine and turn them into smokers - when not only do adults also enjoy fruit or beverage or dessert flavors, that may in some cases be what makes vaping more appealing and helps them quit smoking!

We do not hear the anti-smokers and FDA saying, "We know it's as tough to give up nicotine as it is to give up ....... We feel compassion for those addicted to nicotine, who until now have only had carcinogenic delivery methods available. We are excited to explore this alternative that may allow them to wean from their addiction or not, as they choose, with minimum harm to themselves and others either way." Yet it seems like that's what we would hear - from anyone who truly had our (and our families') best interests at heart, as these organizations claim to.

Instead, it seems that the idea of a device that makes nicotine addiction anything short of life-threatening and nicotine indulgence anything less than demonstrably despicable, allowing nicotine addicts to exercise a personal choice to remain addicted without causing harm or deserving vilification, somehow makes these organizations feel so threatened that they completely overlook how easy e-cigs make it for even firmly-entrenched smokers to do just what they've been asking us to do - quit smoking. Quit deliberately generating, inhaling, and exhaling smoke. It's as though they find the potential loss of justification for their zero-tolerance zealotry more threatening than the cost of the very human lives they purport to be defending!

Sorry, bit of a rant there. Ahem.

Anyway... yeah, I wrote it up the way I did to emphasize certain points. I did not intend to quit (although I have always hoped to). I didn't even have to decide to quit (although we all know a firm decision and a firm quit date are the first step). The tasty, tasty flavors were a major factor in how easy it was (especially the candy ones). I didn't even realize I had quit at first. I didn't threatened or depressed by the imminent prospect of giving up cigarettes, so the panic/rebellion trigger was never activated - the thing that's thrown off all my quit attempts to date.

I did leave out certain other, possibly pertinent details: I have tried to quit before; I have tried to quit with my doctor's assistance; I have taken Zyban and used nicotine patches and gone cold turkey and tapered to one cigarette a day until my nicotine addiction was completely gone, and still come back every time for psychological reasons, not nicotine addiction. Even if I taper to zero nicotine (if I can give up self-medicating as noted above), I'll probably vape for life to satisfy the physical and psychological habits that kept bringing me back to smoking before. But all that stuff is in the statistics already, and statistics over a large representative sample speak far louder than my anecdote could on those points.

What the statistics don't show is the dizzying ease of it. I tripped over a four-inch-long tube of chocolate vapor and fell across the finish line. Now I want anyone who's where my friend and I were a week ago to know it can happen that way.

I also want anyone who wants to ban vaping to know that smokers are lying tied to the railroad tracks, there's a train coming, and this proposed ban will kick away the knife we're trying to cut the ropes with - just because you think, from your safe distance, that it would be better if we'd make the extra effort to untie the knots instead.

So, um... yeah. Glad to get that across. :)
 

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Jaka, What excellent posts!! Thank you so much for your story. Your beginning post had me in stitches and shaking my head up and down frequently, I definitely could relate. I like the way your mind works (sometimes for you and other times against you) - I relate to that as well.
But what struck me the most was probably the most insightful and accurate comment I have ever read any of us make; when you said, "...I didn't quit smoking, I just developed a stronger preference for something tastier, more convenient, cheaper, and decidely less fatal." .....and I would add "...and in so doing, smoking lost."
Thanks again and I really look forward to reading more of your thoughts and humor!!
 

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The best thread I've read at ECF yet. I know I will keep coming back to this from time to time. And yes, it brought tears to my eyes. I've been smoke-free for 32 days and couldn't have done it w/o the ECF Forum. Maybe that's why I'm still here at the forum, I feel everyone's joy as I read their posts. Really quite exhilerating and satisfying.

Thank you for your post Jaka, you've made my day. Welcome to the forum and happy vaping.
 

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Put these two posts together and you have an extremely well-written, poignant, testimony to the power and benefits of electronic cigarettes. So far Kristin has written a number of articles on a number of subjects, but no testimonial has been written up by someone like you, or like the rest of us.

This is something that could fill that gap, and fill it really, really well.
I am going to PM Kristin to take a look at this and contact you.

Hopefully you would be willing to work this into something publishable?
It is truly an inspiring work, a smooth read, and a pleasure.
:)


Wow. Thanks DC2, and everyone else who's complimented my writing!

I waited to reply until I could contact my friend and get her permission as well, since her story is integral to my own, to understanding how sincerely I mean that I never set out with the intention to quit and all that says about vaping as the easy path away from analogs. She says she's fine with it, so I'd be happy to try to work it into something publishable. Got guidelines, though? You'd want to give me guidelines. My writing tends to follow Boyle's law - it expands to fill the space available - and the Internet has lots of space available. :)
 

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Great posts, Jaka. Thank you for taking the time to write them.

Six packs a day? Good lord.

A few years back my girlfriend at the time dumped me, and my father died about an hour later. I don't the two incidents were related. My dog was just fine, thank you very much. But for about a week I was up at four packs a day, and that darn near killed me.

With posts like yours, and so many like them, it's no wonder Big Tobacco and Big Pharmaceuticals want to kill e-cigs.

But then if corporations and tax dogs made big bucks off of gonorrhea, prostitution would be legal and penicillin would be banned.

TBL36
 

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I like vaping more than I ever liked smoking, and it gives me a continuing excuse to buy more toys. It's not just a habit, it's a hobby.

Well-put! I feel like I've entered a second phase of vaping now - for the first few days, it was just something I did instead of smoking. I vaped cigarette-shaped devices in cigarettish intervals at habitual cigarette-break times. Then I managed to kill all my atomizers and in desperation picked up a Janty Stick from a local shop to tide me over until my new atomizers arrived. Suddenly I was gnawing on a whistle-tip cartridge, pushing a button to get vapor, and walking around with what looked like a car-alarm remote squeezing-and-sipping at it like the world's tiniest juice box. It eliminated the last traces of pretending I was smoking and some strange shift occurred.

I wasn't vaping to replace cigarettes any more. I'd started vaping as an art in itself.

Now I'm cackling like a madwoman at a dining table draped in clingfilm and paper towels, wearing disposable gloves and measuring out droplets of this and that, batting away the cats with my graduated pipette, and muttering about the exact proportions of roast beef to mulled wine for boeuf bourguignon. Maybe if I get some of the Whatsit Herbs flavor concentrate... I digress.

Now I'm drooling over mods, figuring out how many weeks' smoking-budget a GG Slim would eat, calculating the point at which initial investment plus consumables reaches a break-even-vs-analogs point, and promising myself that I will celebrate my 2-month analog-free milestone with a slender steampunk marvel, then take it to the Renaissance Festival and turn heads with my stylish-yet-period indulgence while the rest of the smokers-in-garb shuffle behind buildings trying to hide their cigarettes and find a nearby trashcan for the butts... I digress.

Now I'm making a list of friends' favorite scents, making sure to vape spearmint around my Doublemint-gum-favoring friend and TW/DV's Absinthe when the licorice fan is present. Violet for the Goths, whiskey for the drinkers, and never ever roast beef around the vegetarian. Really, it's only courteous, like lighting scented candles when one has company... I digress.

Now my roommate is threatening to repurpose some pegboard currently going spare, because in three weeks my collection of batteries, atomizers, adapters, cartridges, and assorted paraphernalia are threatening to overwhelm the little three-drawer bathroom-cabinet chest I've been trying to cram them into. And that's before I get into experimenting with 510 gear to replace my l88bs. Oh, and there's my new vaping journal, in which I'm keeping my DIY juice recipes and notes on which atomizers coax the most from each mix, and try to track which adapters fit which atomizers in the first place... I digress.

Wait - I think the digressions are the point now.

Smoking? Who has time to smoke?
 
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Wow. Thanks DC2, and everyone else who's complimented my writing!

I waited to reply until I could contact my friend and get her permission as well, since her story is integral to my own, to understanding how sincerely I mean that I never set out with the intention to quit and all that says about vaping as the easy path away from analogs. She says she's fine with it, so I'd be happy to try to work it into something publishable. Got guidelines, though? You'd want to give me guidelines. My writing tends to follow Boyle's law - it expands to fill the space available - and the Internet has lots of space available. :)
Kristen is the expert around here on publishing stuff, and how it might be used.
I sent both you and her a PM a few days ago.

Have you looked at your PMs yet?
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I took the surveys, and today I signed the petition, because honestly I'm a little scared.
I'm not a nonsmoker yet. I'm not really an ex-smoker yet. I'm just a smoker who's been distracted by a shinier habit. If that new habit gets banned, I'm right back to killing myself. I have no illusions about that. I'm still addicted to nicotine; I use it to self-medicate for ADHD, arthritis, chronic fatigue, and depression.

same here. And I also can't call myself a non-smoker or ex-smoker because this is a line of contentiousness between my friends and I. My friends feel that if a person is vaping with nicotine then they haven't quit smoking because they're still getting a hit. Of all the people who vape with nic, how many would give up the nic? a slim chance over time perhaps. Generally people don't vape just for the non-nicotine flavourings and I don't think ecigs without nicotine is a selling feature although I have one. And I think most people wouldn't be vaping exclusively without nicotine... some people perhaps because somehow along the way we all discovered flavourings which cut down the consumption of reg cigs.
Nicotine is not available in Canada so I vape as well as smoke analogs (well I'm down from 27 a day to 7). Therefore, I haven't quit. If nic vape was available and I smoked it, then yes, I'd give up analog cigs but my friends wouldn't let me off the hook... I haven't quit in their eyes. I bought the non-nic ecigs in hopes that nic would become available some day. But now I'm sort of glad I don't have nic to vape... IMHO it's easier to get off regular cigs. What's weaning me off analogs is that the flavourings including the tobacco flavourings, are real and satisfying. And I'm losing much needed weightloss. I'm also saving $100+ dollars a month. When I quit smoking for 6 years, years ago, I gained 60 pounds because I was nibbling every kind of food, substituting that hand to mouth action, something in my mouth, and holding a cigarette; it was the social action for me and I liked it. My esteem has risen. I can vape anywhere; I carry it with me and, as you know, it's a conversation starter. I keep a second eGo ecig, clean cartridges, poly-fill, and flavourings with me for curious others.
I don't think there's any chance they'll ban ecigs but they might try to ban the nicotine because I don't think the majority who vape nic know exactly how much they're putting into their bodies as compared to a cigarette smoked. And is it safe? I haven't come across the results of a scientific study for this measurement, but I know they're doing it. We trust. I wonder if any 'vaper' can really gauge the similarity between the nic intake of a regular cig and the nic of a vaper. The nic police can't regulate how much we buy or how much nic we put into ourselves. One could say that nic is safe and non-addictive but try to pry a nic ecig from someone. The purchase of nicotine might go underground. Where, then, would people get their nicotine from? Would they even attempt to buy it guessing at its safety? Would those supply sources appear on this forum or would people keep their supply hush hush.
Nicotine is present as a liquid in tobacco leaves. If the nicotine comes from tobacco, then why the hesitation of FDA approval. Well, I filled out the surveys and the petition too. I hope nicotine for ecigs is approved, for those of us who want an alternative to smoking reg cigs, and especially for those who are trying quit. The push was on to restrict cigarettes in restuarants, bars, etc. because the cost of health care for smokers is staggering. Many smokers can't get insurance.... now they'll be able to as their cessation of smoking is prolonging their life. I think the majority of 'vapers' here would say that they have stopped smoking even if they're injesting nicotine... just like adopting the nic patch or nic gum means they've quit. And that's my argument with my friends. They can't dispute the patch or gum is considered quitting smoking; how then can they judge a nicotine vaper! Our discussion goes on.
On a down note, my sister has just been told she has moderate 'sleep apnea'. She been a smoker for 40 years. She may have to be on a machine at night. If it was severe, she would lose her Driver's Licence and perhaps her livelihood. She's going to quit smoking using the patch and she thinks she can quit her habit by inhaling through a straw, etc.... I don't think that will be effective. I'm going to buy her an ecig and get her started on some flavours. I'm not telling her what to do or sell her; it's just a suggestion but I'm sure she'll enjoy it as I do. I can't get her nic eliquid but the patch will help and besides, some of the tobacco flavourings are just like the real thing. Well, I have to go the happy vaper eGo thread. I can buy Vegetable Glycerine to dilute eliquid or flavourings, or do my own custom blends; or buy Propylene Glycol to do the same and/or dilute vegetable glycerin which can be too viscious to vape alone, but I not sure what "in proper proportions" means... so can't tell how much of each to buy. :2c:
 

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Diane H I applaud Every effort you have made and are making towards improving your health - and so, by the way should anyone who truly cares about YOU more than their own opinions. Friends are friends, I know, but I'm sorry, your friends are seriously uniformed about smoking, where the true harm comes from, what vaping is all about and the truth about nicotine (minus the alkaloids and the combustion of tobacco, paper and the 4,000 other chemicals involved in the "smoking process". Please take heart in the courageous and often very difficult actions you are taking towards bettering your health and Please do not let uniformed others dissuade, discourage or belittle those efforts - friends or not. Good advice....stick with Winners!!
 
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