New Vapor User - Nicotine question

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KnotGillty

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I've been smoking cigarettes since 1985. For the last 15 years I've been smoking Marlboro Ultra Lights. My goal is to cut out cigarettes completely, vape a low nicotine liquid, and eventually move to a zero nicotine product.

Have any of you done this in your vaping journey? If so, how long did it take you to move to a zero nicotine vaping product.

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Knot,

It's not a bad idea to eventually move to 0 nicotine - guess no nic is better then some nic.

I started with 36 mg almost 3 years ago (33 months) and using 18 mg now.
When I started my goal was to stop smoking which happens on the very first day, so I am among some lucky ones.

I see no imediate reason to rush myself to zero nic knowing that nic is no more harmful then caffeine.
Yeah, I know there is more than nic going into our bodies while vaping but I'll take ny chances on that.

YMMV
 

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Knot,

It's not a bad idea to eventually move to 0 nicotine - guess no nic is better then some nic.

I started with 36 mg almost 3 years ago (33 months) and using 18 mg now.
When I started my goal was to stop smoking which happens on the very first day, so I am among some lucky ones.

I see no imediate reason to rush myself to zero nic knowing that nic is no more harmful then caffeine.
Yeah, I know there is more than nic going into our bodies while vaping but I'll take ny chances on that.

YMMV

My_plan_was_to_drop_(36,24,18,12,6,0)_a_step_each_month_(just_to_be_methodical)._But_the_more_I_researched,_nicotine_was_NOT_the_issue_with_my_health_on_analogs._I_cannot_drink_caffeine_so_nicotine_is_one_vice_I'm_pretty_comfortable_sticking_with.

That_said,_I'd_like_to_go_to_a_lower_dose_(at_18mgs_now)_just_because.
 

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Most new vapers need 18mg - 24mg, at least initially to make the transition. There is no good way to compare what one smoked and what level of nic liquid one needs due to the less efficient delivery of nicotine in vaping. If you intend to stop vaping altogether at some point, you may be able to cut down to close to 0 mg strength. But there is absolutely no throat hit at the 0 nic level so it's basically like vaping air.
 

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I see no problem with using a high a nicotine level. I know that the nicotine is addictive but as long as you are only addicted to vaping then whats the harm? I vape 36mg or 24

Nicotine binds to an area of the brain known as the adrenal medulla, which increases the flow of adrenaline. This in turn causes increased blood pressure, heart rate and respiration, and these conditions exacerbate existing heart and blood pressure problems.

I have high blood pressure and it's my hope that moving to a zero nicotine vape will help to lower my blood pressure in the long run.

I don't know what the rules are here regarding links to other sites as I'm a new poster, but here's a good one regarding nicotine: Nicotine: why it's bad for you | COSMOS magazine
 

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Nicotine binds to an area of the brain known as the adrenal medulla, which increases the flow of adrenaline. This in turn causes increased blood pressure, heart rate and respiration, and these conditions exacerbate existing heart and blood pressure problems.

I have high blood pressure and it's my hope that moving to a zero nicotine vape will help to lower my blood pressure in the long run.

I don't know what the rules are here regarding links to other sites as I'm a new poster, but here's a good one regarding nicotine: Nicotine: why it's bad for you | COSMOS magazine
This article just explains how the nicotine is delivered by smoking, not vaping. Nicotine is harmless as a cup of coffee, and I'm not giving up coffee either.. I quit drinking and drugging. That's the best I will do.
 

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This article just explains how the nicotine is delivered by smoking, not vaping. Nicotine is harmless as a cup of coffee, and I'm not giving up coffee either.. I quit drinking and drugging. That's the best I will do.

Regardless of how Vaping delivers the nicotine, it will still elevate blood pressure to some degree.

Not a problem for some. For others such as myself, it's a concern.
 

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I have high blood pressure and it's my hope that moving to a zero nicotine vape will help to lower my blood pressure in the long run.

It is nicotine in combination with SMOKE (and especially the resulting carbon monoxide) that causes all the harm. Here are a few more resources on this topic, all of which I have cited to over and over again in the past couple of years on this forum.

From OASAS Events

"MYTH 13: Wearing a patch will bring on cardiovascular (heart) disease?
TRUTH: NRT’s can be used safely by the majority of people with cardiovascular
disease, even with concomitant smoking. 1-3 A meta-analysis shows no difference
in the rate of acute heart attacks when a NRT patch is worn versus wearing a
placebo patch. 4 The benefits of NRT outweigh the risks, even in smokers with
cardiovascular disease.

1 Joseph AM, et al. N Engl J Med 1996; 335:1792–1798.
2 Tzivoni D, et al. Cardiovasc Drugs Ther 1998; 12:239–244.
3 Working Group for the Study of Transdermal Nicotine in Patients with Coronary Artery Disease.
Arch Intern Med 1994; 154:989–995.
4 Greenland S, et al. Drug Saf 1998; 18: 297–308"

Neal L. Benowitz, MD, from http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/re...791.pdf?ck=nck:

"Overall, the epidemiologic and experimental data suggest
that nicotine absorbed from smokeless tobacco, nicotine
gum or transdermal nicotine is not a significant risk factor
for accelerating coronary artery disease or causing acute
cardiovascular events."

And from Harm Reduction Journal HRJ | Full text | Tobacco harm reduction: an alternative cessation strategy for inveterate smokers

"Over the past 15 years, eight epidemiologic studies have examined the risk of cardiovascular diseases among ST users. Six of the studies found that ST users had no increased risk for heart attacks or strokes [47,90,97-100] . The other two reported modestly positive associations, with ST users having RRs of 1.2 and 1.4 [92,101] , which are lower than those of smokers. In 2003, Asplund completed a comprehensive review of the cardiovascular effects of ST use [102] . He concluded that, in distinct contrast to smokers, ST users do not exhibit any significant differences from nonusers of tobacco with regard to the following measures of cardiovascular health: heart rate, blood pressure, cardiac output and maximal working capacity, levels of hemoglobin and hematocrit, leukocytes, antioxidant vitamins, fibrinogen, components of the fibrinolytic system, C-reactive protein and thromboxane A2 production. In addition, ST users did not show important smoking-associated vascular changes, including increased thickness of blood vessels and atherosclerotic plaque development. In summary, most of the medical and epidemiologic evidence documents that ST users do not have elevated risks for cardiovascular diseases."
 
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