New York protest

[underwater goddess]

Letters and phone calls aren't good enough. I say it's time for a big crowd waving signs!

"Don't be fooled by the half-truths of the FDA", "Smoking kills- vaping saves lives", "End second-hand smoke - support e-cigs", etc.

Should we do it now, after the ban is passed, or both?

I would travel to New York to help organize the protest, but I'm broke Anyone else willing to organize something like this?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[whiskey]

Heres my thoughts on that...Yes we need to be heard but wouldn't that draw a different, not so good attention to this? We need to do something, but some people have an adverse feeling about protesters, which brings out protesters to protest the protesters. Does that make sense? Just an oppinion, Please don't flame me.....

 

[underwater goddess]

Nah I won't flame you that's the whole reason I started this thread, to hear people's thoughts on whether it was a good/bad idea.

 

[5cardstud]

Look how long it took to get people to sign the petitions. If a protest was called for it should have been done along time ago. They're still trying to get people to sign and I guess people just figure their state isn't going to ban them. Hah.

 

[kackourey]

In this case I think All publicity is good publicity. People dont know enough about ecigs. and thats why they are being banned. Anyone who used them or did research will find out it doesnt make sense to ban these if they are going to keep cigs legal.

 

[underwater goddess]

In this case I think All publicity is good publicity. People dont know enough about ecigs. and thats why they are being banned. Anyone who used them or did research will find out it doesnt make sense to ban these if they are going to keep cigs legal.

My thoughts exactly!

Most people don't even know what an e-cig is. I think that if they can learn about them for the first time through a demonstration stating why they are good, its better than having them first learn about them in some messed-up article stating the FDA report (or, having them not learn about them at all).

 

[jeanblackwood]

Any attention is better than no attention at all.

 

[opyrus]

we need a giant self smoking e-cig an we load it on a 16 wheeler an we back it right up to the doors of city hall in albany an prop the doors open and flood the entire building with vape.

 

[woolfe99]

Yes all publicity is good publicity, and this would attract media attention and make people aware of the issue. The trouble is getting enough people out there so that the presence id sufficient to attract attention. I'd personally go all the way to NY for this, if I had the time or money.

- wolf

 

[v1John]

If it's hard to find people who even know about ecigs yet,
my suggestion is to quickly help as many smokers as possible. Lend out your older batteries (ecigs), while they still work and before you get rid of them, and give them enough juice to keep them from buying cigarettes for a mere 24 hours.

If 50 New York vapers reading this could show and help ONE smoker every day for the next twelve days, we could have 600 smokers (in 12days) who would then know about vaping, and could at least possibly help support our efforts.

(If 50 people in each of ten states did this, we could have 6,000 potential new vapers in twelve days , or at least their help in the support we need to fight the anti-E-cig corruption.)

 

[steven.rn]

This following comment I dropped at the NY Tourism inquiry site it 100% true. Text follows:
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I had planned a trip of a lifetime to NYC for my wife and myself to do broadway shows, times square, and then to drive upstate until I read about NY banning E-cigarettes. I will be campaigning to boycott the state among all users of e-cigarettes, as we will not be welcome there. What an incredible lack of vision about this alternative to death by tobacco. We'll be doing a carribean cruise instead. We'll be back vacationing in New York state after the legislature gets caught up to the 21st century. If NY can't help us escape killer tobacco, I have no confidence it's on top of any other terror threat.
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A-freekin'-men. They can ban anything they wanna, but they do NOT get my money.

 

[D103]

This following comment I dropped at the NY Tourism inquiry site it 100% true. Text follows:
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I had planned a trip of a lifetime to NYC for my wife and myself to do broadway shows, times square, and then to drive upstate until I read about NY banning E-cigarettes. I will be campaigning to boycott the state among all users of e-cigarettes, as we will not be welcome there. What an incredible lack of vision about this alternative to death by tobacco. We'll be doing a carribean cruise instead. We'll be back vacationing in New York state after the legislature gets caught up to the 21st century. If NY can't help us escape killer tobacco, I have no confidence it's on top of any other terror threat.
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A-freekin'-men. They can ban anything they wanna, but they do NOT get my money.

Excellent comments and a very clever, innovative and effective way to communicate your thoughts and viewpoints. I hope that those comments are read, taken to heart and passed on to someone in a position to do something about it. You sound Fierce in your convictions - I really respect that.

 

[newb]

I think a Billboard on a major highway with a link to a website would be effective..

Billboard should say "The truth behind E-Cigs" or something in that nature.

 

[v1John]

Heres my thoughts on that...Yes we need to be heard but wouldn't that draw a different, not so good attention to this? We need to do something, but some people have an adverse feeling about protesters, which brings out protesters to protest the protesters. Does that make sense? Just an oppinion, Please don't flame me.....

Well whiskey--and goddess re: post 1, NY doesn't have much time left, I feel so sorry for you and all the vaper friendy people in NY.


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In addition to vapers lending out their older ecigs (while they still work and before getting rid of them) for 24 hours at a time -- in post #10 of this thread, I have thought of other suggestions,



Writing or sending printed petitions and complaints to Lung Associations of New York
( http://www.lungusa.org/associations/index.jsp?page=2 <--see this link).
They have been scheduling many fundraisers in NY recently, and they get federal grants also. The ALA of NY has urged NY to pass legislation banning all ecigs, I have posted the evidence in another nearby thread. The details are here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lung-association-not-board-4.html#post1349354 .




I have also suggested television commercials, starting out somewhat small and after prime time, and perhaps only in NY for now. CASAA, the Vapers Coalition, and who knows, maybe ECF forum would be interested as well ! Just make sure when anyone tells friends about ECF to remind them to use two dashes as in e-cigarette-forum, because e-cigaretteforum is a totally different forum. My suggestion about a television commercial is here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...arette-following-email-ash-7.html#post1348834
It's looking for someone to start a thread about it. If you or someone can start a thread about a tv commercial, please do!

 

[aubergine]

As an old activist I'd have to disagree emphatically re any attention being better than no attention.
Public demonstrations at the right time and in the right place can be effective (though not really much, any more, unless the cause actually can draw MANY people who represent a widely held sentiment, or is put together by a very well-prepared core group that knows how to use media effectively), but they need to be very well organized, choreographed, and there has to be a way to make certain that the general effect isn't more off-putting than persuasive to the general populace.
The sort of cause matters, too - when it's about something that no one knows about, something quiet with booths and pamphlets and friendly, articulate persons at a public interface is much more effective than a straggly gang-let of milling persons with easily ridiculed signs referring to something that hardly anyone cares about but themselves.

Nothing is more pathetic than a poorly pulled off demonstration. Even the pros have a hard time making it work well. (The pros are connected with media, who can make 25 people look like a hundred (it's a riot if you're actually there and then see it on TV) - or, conversely, make 100,000 people look like a thin little line of people wandering around obstructing traffic and saying rather dumb things to no one in particular. It's a whole racket.

 

[v1John]

Ok, well I finally started the thread specifically for a video commercial, I waited so long but someone had to do it
It's nearby at the moment, but for future reference here is the link:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-need-television-commercial.html#post1354699



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[underwater goddess]

As an old activist I'd have to disagree emphatically re any attention being better than no attention.
Public demonstrations at the right time and in the right place can be effective (though not really much, any more, unless the cause actually can draw MANY people who represent a widely held sentiment, or is put together by a very well-prepared core group that knows how to use media effectively), but they need to be very well organized, choreographed, and there has to be a way to make certain that the general effect isn't more off-putting than persuasive to the general populace.
The sort of cause matters, too - when it's about something that no one knows about, something quiet with booths and pamphlets and friendly, articulate persons at a public interface is much more effective than a straggly gang-let of milling persons with easily ridiculed signs referring to something that hardly anyone cares about but themselves.

Nothing is more pathetic than a poorly pulled off demonstration. Even the pros have a hard time making it work well. (The pros are connected with media, who can make 25 people look like a hundred (it's a riot if you're actually there and then see it on TV) - or, conversely, make 100,000 people look like a thin little line of people wandering around obstructing traffic and saying rather dumb things to no one in particular. It's a whole racket.

I really like your idea. Perhaps we should do that instead.

 

[me who]

We'll be back vacationing in New York state after the legislature gets caught up to the 21st century.

Very nice post,

 

[v1John]

You should send this comment to NY Governor Paterson, steven.
Maybe also specifically ask him to please veto a ban to adults before it's too late?
(emails are not recommended, as JayDar reported after their Albany trip)

Contact info for NY Governor Paterson:
www.ny.gov/governor

 

[Thulium]

we need a giant self smoking e-cig an we load it on a 16 wheeler an we back it right up to the doors of city hall in albany an prop the doors open and flood the entire building with vape.

It wouldn't take a 16 wheeler to carry this: