New Youde RTA the Bellus

[TheKman]

Glad to see I'm not the only one having trouble with this. Received mine yesterday and I've built it four times already. Presently I'm bottom filling it to avoid leaking.

After pulling the deck out of the current build it looks like there's just too much juice flow through those channels. I'm thinking of simply adding some additional cotton behind the wick to fill up the space.

Thoughts?

 

[Filippo]

Mine is getting even worse!!
Now every couple of pulls i get a whole lot of juice in my mouth!!
First thing tomorrow morning is replacing all o-rings/gaskets!


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[shatteredsoul76]

This tank takes some trial and error with the coils and wicking but once you get it right its well worth it. I too had leaking issues with the first few builds, I have a bad habit of using too much cotton and you cant do that with this tank. Thin them out and cut them right to the top of the juice channel ledge and it will be golden.

 

[John Eldredge]

It's not as tedious as what it's seeming to be for you. Make sure everything is tight. Make sure the o ring where the chimney screws into the top of the chamber is good. I honestly don't know how your getting all that wick inside your tank, Id imagine that it would get pinched, and forcing it might even pull the coils out of shape

 

[jefx]

Here a couple of pictures of my deck right now!

Is there something wrong with the wicking??

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I'm sorry, but that's horrible. Lol. Not trying to be mean, but that ain't gonna work right.

All that cotton is going to prevent the deck from fully seating up into the chamber... causing leaks. also, it appears as if your deck o-ring might have cracks in it too.

My deck actually "snaps" into place when seated into the base section....It's the sound of a fully seated deck and properly sealing o-ring. Here's a pic:

 

[ashtrayogdc]

Is building/wicking this RTA the same as the Goliath V2?

Pretty dang close. Building is the same but wicking slightly different. Want the tails a little longer into the juice channel. I would say about 1-2 mm longer tails. Roxys wicking is about perfect, as long as the tails are nice and thinned like that.

 

[TheKman]

I think there may be some manufacturing variance in this model, it doesn't make sense that one unit with very little wick works well and another needs to choked up with cotton to work at all.

I've literally just put twice as much cotton into the channels on mine, they're now so we'll packed that it should barely wick at all. Yet, open the top to fill and it's leaking out almost as fast as I pour it in. Nope, it's not me building it wrong, I'm certain of it now.

I observe that the lip inside the tank barely meets the lip on the deck. Without the tools to measure the clearance, I suspect they don't meet well enough to prevent flooding without a vacuum. Higher viscosity juice is the only way to stop it flooding faster.

I also observe that every time I remove the deck it has a good layer of juice everywhere. None of my tanks have ever done that either. Will report back when I find a vernier.

Edit: looking at Fillipo's wick it's clear that the two edges aren't meeting correctly. He's having to fill the gap with cotton. We clearly have the same problem.

 

[freedogg]

If you look at Filippo's pics you can see cotton in (laying on top) of the airflow holes which cause serious leaks. That's why roxy said earlier that she builds her coils to span the length of the airflow holes on the deck. This way there is no chance for the cotton to get in/on the airflow holes.

Now look at jefx pics. MUCH less cotton and none on/in his airflow holes. Pretty much perfect build there!!

Also like jefx said, the deck MUST snap into place.

 

[TheKman]

Confirmed the fault: height difference between the top of the deck and the juice hole lip inside the tank is 0.55mm +-0.05mm. Seems perfectly feasible that vacuum would prevent flooding with a high vg juice, but remove the vacuum and it floods. As far as I'm concerned this is cause for a return.

I placed a spare o-ring around the top groove of the deck and tc power consumption went from 65W to 15W... Confirming that I've overfilled the channels with cotton. Not sure I want to persist with this tank if I have to modify it to work as intended.

 

[jefx]

Manufacturing tolerances may in fact be a problem, however, if you have so much wick that it looks creased after removing the deck, then the cotton is also keeping the deck from seating fully.. once that happens, the juice can improperly flow around the gap created by the cotton and cause flooding and leaking.

after looking even more closely at Filippo's pics, it seems as if his o-ring is badly damaged. is has many cracks in it, just like an old serpentine belt in a car. My guess is his problem is twofold.... bad o-ring and too much cotton.

 

[TheKman]

Now I understand what you mean about it 'snapping' into place, this would be the lip snapping into the groove on the deck. Mine is seated correctly but there's no snap. Just the easy glide of a well lubricated o-ring.

Disappointed.

 

[TheKman]

The o-ring has nothing to do with leaking out of the air holes. In fact I reckon it would work without the bottom o-ring at all.

 

[freedogg]

I really hate seeing people having trouble with this tank because I absolutely love it. One of my favorites!!!

Matter of fact....the only reason I'm not in bed yet is because I'm waiting for midnight so I can order another one!!

 

[Croak]

I don't see any cracks, I just see lots of cotton fibers. His main problem (and anyone else that has leakage, most likely) is simply too much wicking and bad coil placement combined.

If you keep the wicking away from the airholes and chamber sides, the juice has no path to flow out of the chamber, period. Build as close to the deck as possible, go higher if need be, and of course, build small diameter coils. 2.5mm ID is fine for single strand up to 24ga, but if you twist or Clapton, consider going down closer to 2.0mm ID.

In Fillipo's case, not only should he fix the wick like me and @jefx suggested, he should move the coils in so they're close to the red lines in the picture below, and up so they're closer to the black line (adjust to taste, you tend to get more flavor with higher coils in this thing, and smoother/increased airflow):

EDIT: I should also note that if you build "high and tight" with the Bellus, you greatly reduce or eliminate AFC condensation as well.

 

[freedogg]

EXACTLY !!!

 

[mightymen]

I have two Youde UD Bellus and use just enough cotton to go in to wells and I get no leaks.

Maybe you should compare whom you bought them from maybe they clone.


Did you go to anti-counterfeiting check check that's it's not a clone by doing the anti-counterfeiting check?

 

[freedogg]

Just ordered a black one from Origin for 20 bucks....love black Friday!!

 

[TheKman]

I've confirmed mine is original. Regardless of the wick method the fault remains: there is a 0.55mm gap between the deck and the lip inside the tank. I think your all misunderstanding the issue, all that cotton Filippo is using may be improving the performance, not the cause of the fault.

You can see here the additional cotton I've just jammed in there under the coil and into the channels. If I also place an o-ring into the groove around the top of the deck the leaking stops... That's a flaw.

Damn shame really. When it's not making a mess it's awesome.

 

[tommyk]

I have used this RTA for 2 weeks and have found with proper wicking (previous post is way too much BTW) that this tank will always leak some when filling from the top. The design of this tank requires negative pressure in the tank to keep the juice from flooding the deck and running out of the AFC much like the Kayfun or Russian. The way the direct air flow slots in the deck are milled out builds juice in between the AFC and the deck; a slight gap in the AFC and bottom retainer ring which the o-rings do not prevent slight leakage. Juice below the atty and into my 510 made me shelf this RTA. Back to dripping for now

Going to try out the new Russian 3.0

 

[ashtrayogdc]

I feel so fortunate that mine works just dandy. I just did my 3'rd rewicking and haven't had a drop leak from this thing ever. Little bit of condensation around the AFC but really not much.

It's really too bad it's not working as well for others.