Newb e-cig smugness

[DC2]

What irks me about the mini-mart/mall kiosk PVs is the false advertising. They say that a single cart is like a pack of cigarettes, and that's not just misleading - it's a flat-out lie.

I believe that these claims are not really lying or exaggerating so much as purposely misleading...

I think what they might be doing is saying that a cartridge has as many milligrams (mg) of nicotine as a pack of cigarettes.

So therefore if you ignore the possible fact that we absorb far less nicotine from using electronic cigarettes as compared to cigarettes, you can potentially say that a cartridge could equal a pack of cigarettes. Of course, that is only if you consider that you would have to be taking only like two drags off your electronic cigarette and pretending that you have just smoked a cigarette.

So yeah, if you only take around two drags every time you would normally have a cigarette, it may last as long as a pack.
And if you absorbed the same amount of nicotine from an electronic cigarette as you do from a real cigarette... there's your one pack.

Notice they never actually say it will "last as long" as a pack of cigarettes, though.
They always say it is "equivalent" to a pack of cigarettes.

And that's probably true, as long as you conveniently ignore absorption rates.

 

[perocity]

So therefore if you ignore the possible fact that we absorb far less nicotine from using electronic

What is a possible fact?
Do you have any links for this claim?

 

[malyden]

I thought they went by the number of puffs - of course I could be wrong

I believe that these claims are not really lying or exaggerating so much as purposely misleading...

I think what they might be doing is saying that a cartridge has as many milligrams (mg) of nicotine as a pack of cigarettes.

So therefore if you ignore the possible fact that we absorb far less nicotine from using electronic cigarettes as compared to cigarettes, you can potentially say that a cartridge could equal a pack of cigarettes. Of course, that is only if you consider that you would have to be taking only like two drags off your electronic cigarette and pretending that you have just smoked a cigarette.

So yeah, if you only take around two drags every time you would normally have a cigarette, it may last as long as a pack.
And if you absorbed the same amount of nicotine from an electronic cigarette as you do from a real cigarette... there's your one pack.

Notice they never actually say it will "last as long" as a pack of cigarettes, though.
They always say it is "equivalent" to a pack of cigarettes.

And that's probably true, as long as you conveniently ignore absorption rates.

 

[Anima]

I believe that these claims are not really lying or exaggerating so much as purposely misleading..

IMHO, "purposely misleading" is the very definition of a false claim. After writing this post, I could accurately describe myself as a "published author," but it would be correct to characterize said claim as a lie.

 

[John Phoenix]

It was immediately apparent they had never seen a PV other than their minis. They dug in on how much it looked like drug paraphernalia and ridiculous I had to press a button. Njoys are the best e cigs etc. There was this smugness about them generally reserved for wine enthusiast.

I pulled out some ECF cards but no takers.

It's just odd how they can become such snobs about a (inferior) product they really know nothing about in a short period of time.

I think the problem is they don't really have a basis to believe you. The store's njoy is the limit of their exposure. We have a place here similar to that called Brothers. It's just a cheesy convenience store that was made popular by selling fried chicken. Is it legal to smoke real cigs in the store there? If not the njoy is saving their butts and they are proud of that. Plus they have to recommend the product because they sell them. ( If it's like here the chicken area is run by the same people as the store) Like the guy selling junk e-cigs through a mall kiosk, he's not going to admit his product is crap. If they are not switching for real, only using the e-cig in the store to get them through the work day then they probably won't care that there is bigger better and cheaper e-cigs out there and have no impetus to look into it.

 

[Lambch3p]

At least they are being smug about vaping and not smoking. I'm a look at the bright side kinda girl.

 

[Creniker]

What is a possible fact?
Do you have any links for this claim?

Its out there on the ecf. Health section maybe. I believe (and I may be wrong) that there was studies done and most of the nicotine you get from vaping comes from absorbtion in the mouth and the throat, which absorb less then the lungs. Don't quote me but I think that was the general gist of it all.

 

[John Phoenix]

Well, some pvs do look like crack pipes. That's why I never vape my clear cartomizers in public. Although I don't really look like a crack addict. I mean, how many crack addicts have you ever seen who wear RL polo shirts?

I agree that a clear carto does somewhat resemble a crack pipe in some ways and especially from a distance. I use a clear carto on my Riva batts all the time at Walmart - in front of the city cops and uniformed security people they use. You cant put the cone on to hide it, the plastic of the carto is too thick and it won't fit. No one has ever stopped me thinking it's illegal drugs. I guess they reason that it cannot be crack because I would be nutz to so blatantly use it in public openly not trying to hide it.

 

[SMKNOMOR]

I was at the mall one day a few weeks ago and passed by one of those $109 kit kiosks and as I walked by the man attending it asked me if I smoked. It was my fault. I should have known better than to look at the products on the cart. They always jump right on you if they notice you glancing but I always do with that one.

I had tried their 3 piece out of curiosity once after I had been vaping a while and decided maybe he would like to see the difference in how my LR306 topped P10 with VG juice performed. so I stopped.

Before I even got it halfway out of my cargo pocket he exclaimed. "oh, ours is better" I just smiled and said "oh yeah"? and Vaped. He didn't even blink. Then he nonchalantly asked "What is that? Where did you get it?" I ignored the fact that he had already compared his to all his knowledge of mine and then he said " Thats one of those Volcanos, right"? I'm guessing he meant Volcano Inferno really meaning eGo style do to its slightly larger size to his M401. I just said no.

Then I just started asking him some questions a well informed vaper should know. How many volts is that?, what is the PG/VG ratio? etc. I did my best not to come off as condescending and he did his best to "educate" me, then I told him about my PV and a few of the items I had at home.

After a few more minuits of my GF clearly doing her best to not get to bored and antsy and let me just nerd out for a few, and him not offering to show me how his worked I started wrapping it up be asking him to show me his PV's prformance.He set one up for me with a menthol cart.Not my flavor but I politely accepted since he hadn't thought to ask me which flavor I wanted to try . I took a nice big long pull off it like you would on a mini and exhaled..... barely anything. I just complimented him on the taste and then told him it was time for me to get going. I noticed the expression on his face.He didn't want to stop talking. I think he thought he was going to sell me one of those things.LOL

It left me wondering, as pretentious as he came off, as others in my travels have as well, ( I had an aunt on 4th of july who refused to believe the 808 kit I was giving my cousin wasn't , "cancer waiting to happen" as she puffed on her Marlboro light. haha) they obviously dont have enough information but do they even know what to look for?

 

[MRobs23]

LOL about the crack pipe comments, I get that from friends at work all the time. I use an ego batt with a 306 drip tip. I honestly don't know what a crack pipe actually looks like, but I imagine it's pretty similar

 

[IceMaiden101]

Compared to any cigarette, I think any pv might look like drugs to a layperson. When we were having realtors look at the house, my mom was watching (we were out of town) and she commented how she put all of my "smoking PARAPHERNALIA" away so no one would see it! All I had out were a couple of bottles of juice, a few attys and a battery. lol She's gotten more knowledgeable the longer I've vaped but it's a good thing she hasn't seen my three layer thick toolbox.

 

[fray]

Compared to any cigarette, I think any pv might look like drugs to a layperson. When we were having realtors look at the house, my mom was watching (we were out of town) and she commented how she put all of my "smoking PARAPHERNALIA" away so no one would see it! All I had out were a couple of bottles of juice, a few attys and a battery. lol She's gotten more knowledgeable the longer I've vaped but it's a good thing she hasn't seen my three layer thick toolbox.

That reminds me of when my mother in law came into town and opened up my DIY cabinet. She got a puzzled then concerned look on her face and said that if we needed money we could borrow it and didn't need to make drugs lol.

Took an hour to explain it to her

 

[jtpjc]

I honestly don't know what a crack pipe actually looks like, but I imagine it's pretty similar

I didn't know either, so I just now googled for it. I should explain I live in a neighborhood that's pretty drug savvy. I now understand the weird looks I'm getting when I go shopping with my eGo T in my hand. ("OMG! He's like, what? Fifty! What's this neighborhood coming to?")

 

[Mindfield]

I didn't know either, so I just now googled for it. I should explain I live in a neighborhood that's pretty drug savvy. I now understand the weird looks I'm getting when I go shopping with my eGo T in my hand. ("OMG! He's like, what? Fifty! What's this neighborhood coming to?")

Fairly off-topic, but I had no idea what a crack pipe looked like either -- until some shirtless dude stopped me in the morning while I was on my way to work and asked if he could borrow my lighter. I said "sure," and handed it to him, whereupon he proceeded to clumsily try and remove the guard as he asked "You don't need this back, do you?" and then stuck a rock of crack into a little tube and proceeded to light it.

Obviously this was back when I smoked (maybe two or three years ago), and fortunately I always carried a spare lighter on me. The weird thing is that I don't live in a drug-savvy neighbourhood. Although this guy looked like he had no idea what city he was in.