Newb looking for bigger/thicker clouds

[arcebelaced]

Hi everyone I'm new to this whole thing!

So I started with a cheap $30 knockoff ego from a smoke shop, I got bored off sold it and was suggested by a buddy to get a twist from a local vape shop so I went ahead and got it

Now same buddy one day he was in need of money and was tryna sell me his K100 with an RDA (I don't know much about it all I know is he told me it produces massive clouds)

Now I was broke at the time and had to pass on it now I'm bored and ready to move on from this twist so I'm looking for something that will produce bigger and thicker clouds, he said he got an evic with a kanger protank 2 that produces great clouds, someone in the local group is trying to sell one for 100

He said 80 or 100 with another dct tank (have no idea what that is I'm just new ;/

So should I get that evic, invest on something else like a k100? It's like $40 on fasttech so what do you guys reccomend me? sorry if I made it too long all help will be appreciated!

 

[Baditude]

Speaking in generalities, any regulated mod like the Evic will be a SAFER device than any mechanical mod like a k100. It will have that micro-computer on board that not only will allow variable voltage and wattage, but will have protective circuitry that will keep a new vapor out of most trouble situations.

Mechanical mods are just a metal tube, a firing switch, and a connector for the juice attachment. No safety features. YOU will have to be the safety feature. But when you are new to vaping, you don't know things you should know when using a mechanical. Such as which batteries do you need (protected, IMR, or hybrid), what's the amp limits of the battery I'm using and why is that important to know, what signs should I be aware of that my battery is stressed, knowing a basic concept of Ohm's law, when to use a Vape Safe Fuse, etc. As simple and as basic that a mech is, its lacking the artificial intelligence of a regulated mod which does the safe thinking things for you.

I'd go with the Evic over a mechanical mod. You won't be able to do sub-ohm coils in an RBA with one, but you don't sound ready for that anyway. The Evic will be a much more versatile device for you at your stage in the game.

 

[Travis180]

Baditude is correct go for the evic now after you have read and researched on here and maybe even attend a couple of vape meets if any are near you and talked with some advanced vapers you can try a mech Later on.

I am still new to vaping but have experience in electrical systems and applications. I still am staying in the 1ohm + range because u can get a monster cloud of vapor without going into sub-ohm coils of u are setting up correctly. Myself a battery blowing up or "venting" in my face is not an experience that I want to have!

I use a provari mini with a protank and get great results.
Also have a Reo Grand with a rm2 that is a beast!
Part of the fun and experience is moving up to bigger better mods just don't do it until u r sure u can do it safely.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[crxess]

Only thing to add to Baditude's Solid advice is - Clouds come from a combination of several factors. What your friend does and how that person perceives CLOUDS may in no way be the same as you and your concept.
Vapor is produced by a balance of Heat,Air Flow and proper e-liquid balance. Not just a high VG blend, but what Flavoring can even effect overall Vapor output.
Many Cloud chasers use High VG Flavorless e-liquids thinned slightly with H2O to maximize Flow and aid in wicking. They use high wattage and large air passage.
This may look impressive but gets old quick when looking for a good full flavored vape.
Best recommendation - Get the eVic/Protank. Settle in and enjoy learning the ins and outs of Variable voltage/variable wattage Vaping and take your time expanding.

 

[arcebelaced]

Speaking in generalities, any regulated mod like the Evic will be a SAFER device than any mechanical mod like a k100. It will have that micro-computer on board that not only will allow variable voltage and wattage, but will have protective circuitry that will keep a new vapor out of most trouble situations.

Mechanical mods are just a metal tube, a firing switch, and a connector for the juice attachment. No safety features. YOU will have to be the safety feature. But when you are new to vaping, you don't know things you should know when using a mechanical. Such as which batteries do you need (protected, IMR, or hybrid), what's the amp limits of the battery I'm using and why is that important to know, what signs should I be aware of that my battery is stressed, knowing a basic concept of Ohm's law, when to use a Vape Safe Fuse, etc. As simple and as basic that a mech is, its lacking the artificial intelligence of a regulated mod which does the safe thinking things for you.

I'd go with the Evic over a mechanical mod. You won't be able to do sub-ohm coils in an RBA with one, but you don't sound ready for that anyway. The Evic will be a much more versatile device for you at your stage in the game.

Thanks I've been lurking for a while, as a matter of fact I read your blogs for starters earlier, how will the clouds compare to what I currently have? and am I getting a good deal buying that one?

 

[eltranced]

you can learn all the safety issues in 10 minutes with right assistance so to set fear mongering aside .. ... i got k100+ which is just mechanical ( no fancy electronics that'll brake) and Rebuildable atty ( which means i control what i vape) so if want to get massive clouds i'd have to wrap the coil right. i've had very good luck with sub ohms as in half a second mouth full vape (just tapping on the button- that quick), provided youre dealing with ideal conditions (very very high air flow, having the right wick set up ( the type, how it sits, how much it covers) ... but the cons are extreme low battery life on sweet spot, gotta maintain wick saturation at all times, hotspots may be a common accurance...) so its something you might have to take as passionate hobby with love ... simpler alternative would be probably to use a reliable(as in can put out, and withstand the stress) tank on a VV (with true consistancy) set on higher voltage(or wattage) then typically...

so safety ... 20 minutes

learning the science of balancing your setup... maybe an hour to a day

finding the right gear for the right price... depens on how well you'll do your research ... it doesnt have to cost hundreds and hundreds
finding someone who can teach you the art / or learning it yourself and committing to vape ... priceless


so back to your post dont know anything about eVIC.. other then its VV with nicest LCD ... could be a good VV or could be not so good...
watch pbusardo's review and his performance charts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJiUeJvzG3c
i know DCT tanks can flood....
i heard alot of people say protanks have minor issues but are fine .... but for massive clouds... donnno

 

[Baditude]

I can't speak for the value of a particular mod if I don't own one. I don't own an Evic. But I own several other regulated mods and a couple of mechanical mods. I very rarely use the mechanicals any more. Regulated mods are much more versatile and fit my needs better as a vapor.

You can get more "clouds" from a bigger mod than you can from an Ego Twist. Bigger batteries can result in bigger clouds. But you need to learn how to use it and get the right combination of juice, juice delivery device, and what power setting to make it work right for you. Research and it will all come to you in good time.

 

[Baditude]

you can learn all the safety issues in 10 minutes with right assistance so to set fear mongering aside .. ... i got k100+ which is just mechanical ( no fancy electronics that'll brake) and Rebuildable atty ( which means i control what i vape) so if want to get massive clouds i'd have to wrap the coil right. i've had very good luck with sub ohms as in half a second mouth full vape (just tapping on the button- that quick), provided youre dealing with ideal conditions (very very high air flow, having the right wick set up ( the type, how it sits, how much it covers) ... but the cons are extreme low battery life on sweet spot, gotta maintain wick saturation at all times, hotspots may be a common accurance...) so its something you might have to take as passionate hobby with love ... simpler alternative would be probably to use a reliable(as in can put out, and withstand the stress) tank on a VV (with true consistancy) set on higher voltage(or wattage) then typically...

so safety ... 20 minutes

learning the science of balancing your setup... maybe an hour to a day

finding the right gear... demons on how well you'll do your research
finding someone who can teach you the art / or learning it yourself and committing to wave ... priceless

There is no fear mongering going on here, just solid sound advice.

And I pray arcebelaced doesn't choose you as a mentor based on the above post and others you have made on this forum.

 

[StarsAndBars]

That is a massive PV. I had to scroll back up for a second look. Had to do it again.

 

[danca90]

Wait, no one said "Get a provari" yet.

 

[eltranced]

There is no fear mongering going on here, just solid sound advice.

And I hope arcebelaced doesn't choose you as a mentor based on your above post.

Fear mongering (or scaremongering or scare tactics) is the use of fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end.

I see you treating everyone like children who are irresponsible and cant learn and on top of that to a forum lurker, your every subject derailing posts on safety are rather moot, luckily you're not the only one who posts. In your original post you could have used the same amount of words to tell him about all the safety precautions for a mech rather then how its not safe and therefor not advisable.... your choice to use VV over mech because its SAFER is clearly not the same choice i would make VV over mech.., it'd just be a bonus, I'd pick VV because it can deliver the higher constant voltage ... a mech would need a "kick" or battery stacking... and then there is the "why you would pick mech over vv"


btw im not a long term forum conversationalist so yo i agree i wouldnt be a good mentor...but if i were to drive to 11000 posts maybe if i pick one thing that everyone will agree on, that safety is important, that'll get people to like me.....

 

[Baditude]

Do not mock the Provarinati. Lumen Sees Totus.​

 

[arcebelaced]

I mean I'm pretty sure I can learn if I find the right "mentor" like someone said up there, my dilemma is in how much vapor does the evic with protank 2 produce? or should I just go with a k100 and get to learning? that's my question right now before I ask anything else

 

[happydave]

my 2 cents. for whatever its worth... i run a 1.5 ohm coil (3-4 wrap of .32 twisted kanthal) on a 1000 MAH EGO pass though. using the Mini Octopus for my atty. this setup puts out more vapor than most beginner vapors can handle sometimes more than i care to deal with so i take little pulls off it. most of my vaping buddys could not take big of a rip off it so i whipped up some 2.0 MG per Ml fluid with no flavor but with a decent amount of Ice Menthol. they could handle 1 or 2 large hits that would blanket the room in vapor but that was about it. before you start getting to building your own coils you want to read up on the safety precautions there are also a few good videos out on youtube about safety when building your own attys. the 1000 MAH ego pass though (the one with the USB mini connection at the base of it) can handle a 1.1 ohm coil with out issue. that means your getting 16 watts of power at the coil. some people say this is really hard on the EGO USB pass though. i have been running mine this way for about 6 months and its still holding a charge just fine. i find that 90% VG and 10% PG is a good ratio for making decent amounts of vapor.

 

[danca90]

I say go mech. But just expect to read a lot before you try it.

 

[Baditude]

I mean I'm pretty sure I can learn if I find the right "mentor" like someone said up there, my dilemma is in how much vapor does the evic with protank 2 produce? or should I just go with a k100 and get to learning? that's my question right now before I ask anything else

I have already stated my perspective on your dilemma.

You can make clouds of vapor with either the Evic or the k100. They are both just the battery holders. They both use the same IMR batteries. One offers higher voltage, the other does not. One offers built-in safety, the other does not. Evic for the WIN.

There is far more to making vapor than the battery device. The type of juice you choose (higher vg percentage), higher voltage/wattage, the type of coils you use, etc. The Protank coil can be rebuildable to suit your needs. There may be higher end juice devices available which can help you make even more vapor like an RBA. Both the Evic and the k100 can use those.

Going simpler, an Innokin iClear30 clearomizer has dual coils and 16 wicks to make clouds of vapor.



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Your First RBA

 

[The Ocelot]

Hi

I vote for a higher vg ratio!

 

[Maka]

iClaer 30
100% VG juice
K100 not the kit form as they batteries and charger are crap, get the body then a decent charger and two 18500 imr batteries, buy a Kick clone to put on it.
Nice big safe clouds.....

Or just buy a ProVari, iClear30, 100VG juice and be done with it...loll...

 

[zhentipede]

if the deal went down to let's say $60 i would go for it.... i own an evic and yes it can produce good vape... i'm not knocking it down coz evic was my first jump on replace-able battery pv... when i buy used itemsespecially electronics i expect to pay close to 1/2 of orig. price ...
for the 80-100 i think a brand new evic and other regulated pv mod can be had including tanks juice etc.... just my 2 cents..

 

[zhentipede]

yep very true, i got the k100 just the pv mech mod for about $25 and used any size battery i had since it is a telescopic mod clone of the empire mod

iClaer 30
100% VG juice
K100 not the kit form as they batteries and charger are crap, get the body then a decent charger and two 18500 imr batteries, buy a Kick clone to put on it.
Nice big safe clouds.....

Or just buy a ProVari, iClear30, 100VG juice and be done with it...loll...