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The reason I dont understand is because nobody, including you, is telling me why one unit performs better than another. I'm sure your suggestions are great but you dont say why. Why is an LR cartomizer better than a ce2? What makes the Vivi so special?
Thanks Fish. I was going to suggest that he add a few airholes as you have pictured. I just didnt have a photo available to do so.
Hi Harleydr. It sucks that you are having an issue. Lets try to figure out where to fix it. First can you tell me how You take a draw from your eGo/stardust combo? As in how long do you draw on it, are you holding the button the whole time, is it a hard pull , does it feel like you are sucking through a closed straw?
All of the things are far more important(and explanitory) than " It doesnt make any vapor"......
Have you tried removing the stardust from the battery to see if it still has a stiff draw? If you have not do so now, what is the result?
How many of these vision clearomizers do you own?
Do you have anything else to put on top of your battery to vape with and see if the results are different?
Hi Harleydr. It sucks that you are having an issue. Lets try to figure out where to fix it. First can you tell me how You take a draw from your eGo/stardust combo? As in how long do you draw on it, are you holding the button the whole time, is it a hard pull , does it feel like you are sucking through a closed straw?
All of the things are far more important(and explanitory) than " It doesnt make any vapor"......
Have you tried removing the stardust from the battery to see if it still has a stiff draw? If you have not do so now, what is the result?
How many of these vision clearomizers do you own?
Do you have anything else to put on top of your battery to vape with and see if the results are different?
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Go here and get these with 1.8 ohm heads. Huge draw and mondo vapor, even on your 650 eGo. And if you want more vapor go with higher VG in your juice, you will sacrifice throat hit and flavor with high VG but you'll be blowing atomic sized clouds.
I have some 100% VG Boba's Bounty in one of those Novas and if I rip a big hit, on the exhale my 42" tv disappears.
I have some 100% VG Boba's Bounty in one of those Novas and if I rip a big hit, on the exhale my 42" tv disappears.
harleyrdr, I can sense your extreme frustration. I'll try to be a clear as possible and make specific recommendations with links to the products.
I highly recommend the Mini Vivi Nova tank (see link below). It vapes great, doesn't leak, unscrews and comes completely apart so you can clean it when you change juices, and the head (i.e., the heating coil that atomizes the juice) is replaceable just by screwing it off and screwing another one on. And the replacement heads cost about $3. You will see the replacement heads in the pics at the links below - the head is the part that has the wicks.
I've got several of the "stardusts" like you have. Some vape fine and some have a really tight draw like yours. The quality control on them sucks. Plus, for your battery you need to be using a low resistance ("LR") version, which is the 2.1 - 2.4 ohm version. A 1.8 ohm version would be even better, but I don't know if they make them.
At this point, you don't need to understand ohms. Just remember that for your battery, any cartomizer, clearomizer (such as the stardust), atomizer or tank needs to be 2.4ohms or, preferably, below (1.5ohm to 2.0 ohms would be best). But do NOT get anything that is "dual coil." Trust me on that one.
Oh, and your Ego uses a 510 connection (thread pattern). You'll see references to 808, 901, and whatever. When you're ordering atomizers, tanks, cartomizers, or ANYTHING that screws onto your battery, you want the 510 version of it.
Here are links to the Vivi Nova Mini and the replacement heads I would recommend:
Mini Vivi Nova Tank: GotVapes Vision Mini ViVi Nova™ 2.5ml 2.4ohm [gv-MiniViViNova510-2.4ohm] - $8.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
Vivi Nova 1.8ohm Head ( I recommend getting at least 2 of these): GotVapes VISION ViVi NOVA™ Twist-On HEAD 1.8ohm Long Wick [gv-VIVNOVA-CoilHeadONLY-1.8] - $2.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
I would also recommend that you buy an atomizer that you can drip juice into (called "dripping"). It does two things for you. Most importantly, it gives you something to vape if all else fails. And it also allows you to test different juices easily. (You can read more about that later when you are past the current crisis and frustration.) Here's a link to a low resistance atomizer:
LR Atomizer: GV BRIDGLESS Drippers Dream 510 Atomizer - 1.7ohm BLACK [gotvapes-BRIDGLESS-1.7ohm-black] - $5.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
Finally, you should consider ordering an Ego Twist. It is a variable voltage battery that allows you to crank the voltage up or down to suit the resistance of the atomizer, cartomizer, tank, or clearomizer that you are using. For example, your Ego is a regulated 3.4volt battery. It will work best on a low resistance atomizer, carto, etc., such as a 1.5 to 2.0 ohms. The heads that come with the Vivi Nova are 2.4ohm heads. Those will work better at 4.0 - 4.4 volts. (That's why I linked you to the 1.8ohm replacement heads.) With the Twist, you can crank the voltage up as far as 4.8volts, so those 2.4ohm heads would work better with the Twist than with your existing battery.
I know this is a lot of info, but I'm trying to be clear and specific. If you have questions, please ask. We want to help you succeed!!
Ego Twist: Genuine Joyetech eGo-C 650mah TWIST Variable 3.2v-4.8v - BLACK [gv-egotwist-650-BLACK] - $25.16 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
I highly recommend the Mini Vivi Nova tank (see link below). It vapes great, doesn't leak, unscrews and comes completely apart so you can clean it when you change juices, and the head (i.e., the heating coil that atomizes the juice) is replaceable just by screwing it off and screwing another one on. And the replacement heads cost about $3. You will see the replacement heads in the pics at the links below - the head is the part that has the wicks.
I've got several of the "stardusts" like you have. Some vape fine and some have a really tight draw like yours. The quality control on them sucks. Plus, for your battery you need to be using a low resistance ("LR") version, which is the 2.1 - 2.4 ohm version. A 1.8 ohm version would be even better, but I don't know if they make them.
At this point, you don't need to understand ohms. Just remember that for your battery, any cartomizer, clearomizer (such as the stardust), atomizer or tank needs to be 2.4ohms or, preferably, below (1.5ohm to 2.0 ohms would be best). But do NOT get anything that is "dual coil." Trust me on that one.
Oh, and your Ego uses a 510 connection (thread pattern). You'll see references to 808, 901, and whatever. When you're ordering atomizers, tanks, cartomizers, or ANYTHING that screws onto your battery, you want the 510 version of it.
Here are links to the Vivi Nova Mini and the replacement heads I would recommend:
Mini Vivi Nova Tank: GotVapes Vision Mini ViVi Nova™ 2.5ml 2.4ohm [gv-MiniViViNova510-2.4ohm] - $8.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
Vivi Nova 1.8ohm Head ( I recommend getting at least 2 of these): GotVapes VISION ViVi NOVA™ Twist-On HEAD 1.8ohm Long Wick [gv-VIVNOVA-CoilHeadONLY-1.8] - $2.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
I would also recommend that you buy an atomizer that you can drip juice into (called "dripping"). It does two things for you. Most importantly, it gives you something to vape if all else fails. And it also allows you to test different juices easily. (You can read more about that later when you are past the current crisis and frustration.) Here's a link to a low resistance atomizer:
LR Atomizer: GV BRIDGLESS Drippers Dream 510 Atomizer - 1.7ohm BLACK [gotvapes-BRIDGLESS-1.7ohm-black] - $5.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
Finally, you should consider ordering an Ego Twist. It is a variable voltage battery that allows you to crank the voltage up or down to suit the resistance of the atomizer, cartomizer, tank, or clearomizer that you are using. For example, your Ego is a regulated 3.4volt battery. It will work best on a low resistance atomizer, carto, etc., such as a 1.5 to 2.0 ohms. The heads that come with the Vivi Nova are 2.4ohm heads. Those will work better at 4.0 - 4.4 volts. (That's why I linked you to the 1.8ohm replacement heads.) With the Twist, you can crank the voltage up as far as 4.8volts, so those 2.4ohm heads would work better with the Twist than with your existing battery.
I know this is a lot of info, but I'm trying to be clear and specific. If you have questions, please ask. We want to help you succeed!!
Ego Twist: Genuine Joyetech eGo-C 650mah TWIST Variable 3.2v-4.8v - BLACK [gv-egotwist-650-BLACK] - $25.16 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
One addition I would make to Pappy's excellent advice, is that you may want to get a higher mah battery if you decide to get a variable voltage set up like the Twist or some other spare battery. This is not really about your current problems with bad draw and insufficient vapor. I noticed you said you were a 2.5 pack a day smoker. Mah stands for miliampere-hour. It's essentially the run time of the battery. The higher mah batteries are going to be bigger, but they're going to last you longer. It's a very small bump in price but you might find it less frustrating in the long run.
Bigger batteries usually operate at a higher voltage, so they have more power and create a warmer vape that more closely resembles smoking. The regular Ego kind of stinks; it's low on the voltage scale.
A low resistance cartomizer heats up more easily than a high resistance one, so the combination of a 3.7v battery and a LR carto (1.7-2.2 or so) results in an easy draw with very warm vapor - a lot like smoking.
To the above add a juice that has at least 50% VG (vegetable glycerin) because that's what makes the vapor. The other part is the PG, which helps a lot with the throat hit. You said you want vapor, so you'll need more VG. Most juice vendors list the PG/VG ratio and many let you choose your own ratio.
I'm afraid that I haven't tried the Vivi Nova yet so I can't tell you much about it. I'm sure someone will chime in.
harleyrdr: Here's a basic explanation. Your Ego-T is a 3.4volt fixed voltage device. It should be used with low resistance atomizers, cartomizers, clearomizers, tanks or whatever juice holder you're using. I.e., something from 1.5ohms to 2.0ohms would be best. Resistance is measured in ohms.
So, when someone recommends a low resistance (i.e., "LR") device, they mean a 1.5 ohm to 2.0ohm juice holder - i.e., a cartomizer, atomizer, clearomizer or a tank like the Vivi Nova. Those devices are all just "juice delivery systems" that you attach to your battery. All of them, in one way or another, hold and deliver juice to a built-in atomizer. Your battery delivers the voltage to the atomizer, which heats up the atomizer and causes it to atomize the juice.
Yes I am serious.
I had the exact same thing happen to me with a few Vision 2.1 - 2.4 Ohm clearo's like those. I called the supplier and he said there were some bad ones that can't be vaped on Ego batteries cuz they don't draw properly cuz there are no gaps for air to get into the thing once they are screwed on. He said I could either send them back or fix them myself so I fixed them myself.
I bet they draw just fine if they are not screwed on to your battery, don't they?
Drill them out. It takes 5 minutes and then they vape wonderfully.
I'll chime in here to see if I can help as well...
The reason people are asking you about ohms from the stardust is due to a calculation to find watts. Basically, you are starting off at 3.4v with your ego. Then you factor in the resistance of the cart/tank/stardust system. Once you do the equation (volts^2/ohms=watts) the you find what wattage you are at. Different people prefer different watts. I aim for 8.3 to 8.5. Your current setup is aiming at 4.8 watts. Using a LR (low resistance) setup (we'll use 1.7 ohms for the example) you get 6.8 watts. Bigger watts, hotter smoke, and usually more vapor. Usually being a key word there. However, don't go too high because you'll just burn the wicking material. There is a chart somewhere on this site that shows a safe ohm to volt chart.
Your air draw is going to be your opinion. Take a look at some of the advanced setups that genesis atty users own. They drill, replace, use non-recommended wicks, make their own parts etc. They do all of this just chasing the perfect vape for their taste. Its frustrating as hell learning all of this. It took me about 6 months to dial in what I like. Even now, I'm abandoning what I have thought as "perfect" because I've heard there might be something better. The commenter who suggested drilling the hole isn't calling your setup trash, they are suggesting modifying manufactures specs to make it work for you. As you progress through your vaping evolution you might find yourself using cartomizers. These can be punched (making holes in the metal tubing) to specs of your liking. Some use 1 hole. I use 3 for certain liquids, 2 holes for thin DIY liquids. It's all a DIY world here. There are vendors that can sell you stuff to find what works for you, but like a pair of skinny jeans, just because you can buy them in a store does not guarantee you will like them.
My personal recommendation- switch now while the timing is right and go to cartomizers. The same ohm rules will still apply, you can tank them for all day use, and if you upgrade your battery in the future you can just change cartos rather than change the whole setup. I personally use boge with good results. I have seen great things about other brands on here.
Remember, we're all here to help. We aren't customer service from the vendor you purchased from. I know it sucks and you're just trying to dial in what best suites you, but as with most things, the better you keep your cool and the nicer you are the more people are willing to help. All of these replies are good advice and should be gone through again when you do the appropriate research to find the basics of dialing in your electronic smoking device
The vivi nova mega or mini is probably the newest and best delivery system to come out. It is fairly cheap, works very well on all sorts of batteries with 510 threads, has 3 heads with it so you can try the different resistances, is easy to clean and you don't have to buy anything extra except for new heads that screw on it when they wear out and those can be had for about 2.50. What more could you ask for, I have been using the initial set for almost 2 months.
I'm going to order this and give it a try. Will let you all know how it turns out.
Trying the Nova mini now and it is much much better than the Stardust. The 2.4 ohm was fine but the 1.8 definitely has more vapor. I've been going back and forth between the 2 resistances and will probably stick with the 2.4. The 1.8 may be burning just a tad too much with the ego-t battery. I think my next experiment will be with an adjustable battery. Thanks for all the help.
Why don't you try swishing around the juice in the tank? Tip it upside down. From what I've researched, the stardust is prone to doing this. The reason is that the wick doesn't have enough juice so your getting dry hits. In order to fix this, you should swish around the juice once after every couple of hits.
Here is a youtube link talking about the stardust: A PBusardo Review - Vision EGO Transparent Clearomizer - AltSmoke - YouTube
Why don't you check it out to see if this works out for you.
Here is a youtube link talking about the stardust: A PBusardo Review - Vision EGO Transparent Clearomizer - AltSmoke - YouTube
Why don't you check it out to see if this works out for you.
Glad you found something that's working. I know it can be frustrating to find what works for you in the beginning. We all expect to get a kit and for everything to be perfect right out of the box. Hey, cigarettes were easy right? Well, you have to factor in that we all have different preferences on the heat of the vape, how hard the draw is, how much PG or VG is in our juice etc. etc. etc. Keep coming back, keep asking questions, and be as specific as you can about exactly what you're having an issue with, and you will find help. "I don't get enough vapor" is a classic, but without knowing exactly what you're using, how you're drawing, what juice you're using.... nobody could answer. Frustration will happen.... we get it... we've all been there, and we're here for you whenever you experience it.
Glad you found something that's working. I know it can be frustrating to find what works for you in the beginning. We all expect to get a kit and for everything to be perfect right out of the box. Hey, cigarettes were easy right? Well, you have to factor in that we all have different preferences on the heat of the vape, how hard the draw is, how much PG or VG is in our juice etc. etc. etc. Keep coming back, keep asking questions, and be as specific as you can about exactly what you're having an issue with, and you will find help. "I don't get enough vapor" is a classic, but without knowing exactly what you're using, how you're drawing, what juice you're using.... nobody could answer. Frustration will happen.... we get it... we've all been there, and we're here for you whenever you experience it.
Yes trial and error for sure.
Anyway, after trying both, the 1.8 definitely burns the juice and the 2.4 isn't hitting it enough. This is with the Ego-T battery, I believe 3.4 volts and a 60/40 blend. I think the best thing for newb's is to just suck it up and buy good products right off the bat. By the time we screw around with all the starter kits we could easily buy a good adjustable battery and a dozen coils. I think the starter kits are just money makers for the vendors preying on newbs like me and others. The Nova seems like a great tank. It doesn't leak like the Stardust and easy (minutes) to rebuild. Couple a Nova, whether mini or full size, with a good adjustable battery, and anyone can simplify the process and not go through all the experimentation. Shame on you experienced folks for not making a sticky telling the newbs how much of a scam the starter kits really are.
Well I will say it. To anyone just starting out don't get suckered into the starter kits. Buy yourself a nice adjustable battery and a Nova and you will be able to tweak it to your preference without tossing money down the vendor toilet.
You shouldn't be burning the liquid or wicks running a 1.8ohm head at 3.4 volts (I run them at 4.3-4.5V with no issues). Are you sure they're not just dry hits?
make sure your airholes are not blocked at all as sometimes there are burrs. you also can play around with primer puffs before the main inhale. its all in a technique thats right for you. you really want clouds? get a genesis style atty.
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