Okay I have been wanting to jump on board and try dripping. I mainly want this to try new flavors without going through cartos. I have Inferno batteries which I believe are 3.7 volt. What is the best atomizer for these batteries and at what ohm should I use? I don't mind spending a little extra on something good and will last longer.
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I'd jump on an Aero from avidvaper ... they come in one resistance 1.5 Ohm, but its pretty smooth considering. This atty is foolproof.
Although most 3.7 batts like eGo which are PWM say don't use LR, I have never had a problem (your Volt should be good).
The Aero is a "hybrid" which means a cross between a 510 and 306 (bridgeless)... smooth clouds and great taste (as close to the HH357 as you can get).
I also use AMG Hybrid B/F atomizers from vapage (for dripping or bottom feeders)... same as the Aero a hybrid (not to be confused with hybrid genesis devices).
Either of these are a step above conventional dripping atomizers....
Do standard 306 drip tips (delrin, acrylic) from Avid Vaper work with the Aero??
I have been getting the regular bridgeless (sealed post) 306 atomizers from Avid Vapor, and recently got the 1.5 ohmers as well as the 2.0 ohmers I had been getting... and so was thinking of giving the Aeros a try, just to see if I can tell any difference, even though they do not have the sealed post and are $3 more expensive.
But, if the Avid Vaper dts won't work with them, so much for this idea.
Yeah, can't see how the Aeros could be better than the regular ones but, ya never know.
I have been getting the regular bridgeless (sealed post) 306 atomizers from Avid Vapor, and recently got the 1.5 ohmers as well as the 2.0 ohmers I had been getting... and so was thinking of giving the Aeros a try, just to see if I can tell any difference, even though they do not have the sealed post and are $3 more expensive.
But, if the Avid Vaper dts won't work with them, so much for this idea.
Yeah, can't see how the Aeros could be better than the regular ones but, ya never know.
TammyH.... all's you need to do is decide on a resistance (usually 1.5 - 2.0 ohms) and size (306 or 510) and get a drip tip to go with them and you are all set to go.
Actually, I stared out dripping just popping the mouthpiece off of blu/volcano atties and just dripping driectly onto the bridge/wick of these. Yeah, the atties for those are around 3.2 ohms and went from there to joye sr atties (2.3 ohms) and now to the ciscos (2.0, 1.8 and 1.5).
Actually, I stared out dripping just popping the mouthpiece off of blu/volcano atties and just dripping driectly onto the bridge/wick of these. Yeah, the atties for those are around 3.2 ohms and went from there to joye sr atties (2.3 ohms) and now to the ciscos (2.0, 1.8 and 1.5).
the Aero is a 510 with 306 inside, and bridgeless... it needs a 510 d/t.
good you are using Cisco's products... they're good.
The Aero is a more refined atomizer than his regular atomizers... it is designed just like the HH357 but is mass produced so its cheaper than a HH357. you asked what would be best.
I don't really know much more than that, but 510 d/t's are like pennies; they're everywhere; from cheapies to fancy.
The 306 d/t is like a sleeve with a built in d/t....
Things have changed over the last year so much with so many choices... but for dripping you need a drip tip. If you stay with the 306,, you're doing good anyway.
btw the HH357 is a bit finicky.. its great but better to learn dripping before you go there as they do die like all disposable attys... the Aero gives you 357 vaping but easier and less $ (it's not as finicky)
good you are using Cisco's products... they're good.
The Aero is a more refined atomizer than his regular atomizers... it is designed just like the HH357 but is mass produced so its cheaper than a HH357. you asked what would be best.
I don't really know much more than that, but 510 d/t's are like pennies; they're everywhere; from cheapies to fancy.
The 306 d/t is like a sleeve with a built in d/t....
Things have changed over the last year so much with so many choices... but for dripping you need a drip tip. If you stay with the 306,, you're doing good anyway.
btw the HH357 is a bit finicky.. its great but better to learn dripping before you go there as they do die like all disposable attys... the Aero gives you 357 vaping but easier and less $ (it's not as finicky)
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People SAY the Aero and the HH.357 are better than the regular ciscos (but, this was before they were offering bridgless regular ciscos) but, what EXACTLY is the difference???
What makes the ciscos better than other atties, IMO, is that the coil layout is, in general, more uniform. I ordered some i06es from Ikenvape and looked at the coils on them and, did not look as uniform as the ciscos.
So, I can't really think of anything that might be better in the aeros or HH.357 (which are custome made by a particular designer).
What makes the ciscos better than other atties, IMO, is that the coil layout is, in general, more uniform. I ordered some i06es from Ikenvape and looked at the coils on them and, did not look as uniform as the ciscos.
So, I can't really think of anything that might be better in the aeros or HH.357 (which are custome made by a particular designer).
I like this one:
http://www.ecigexpress.com/manager-...esistance-atomizer-drip-tip-single-pack-p-949
Hits hard.
http://www.ecigexpress.com/manager-...esistance-atomizer-drip-tip-single-pack-p-949
Hits hard.
what do i know... not a lot, but i do have plenty of experience with both HH357 and Aero.
Cisco has always been top of the line ... i've had a few.
What i know is that optimal flavor is the target and of course it has to have good vapor production.
The Ciscos imo are not the same level of flavor as the HH357 and the Aero is just below the 357 (IMO)...How much better? that is only measured in tiny increments, so for some its not a big deal...
I find the Aero (which is designed by Cisco too) is smoother in both vapor production and flavor than the Cisco's... not as hot as a 1.5 Cisco.
The 357 as Hanna said has a venturi air draw effect by how he assembles the SS wool filling... not sure if the Aero is the same and would be nice if there was more info about it.
As far as ymmv goes, "you get what you pay for" holds in most cases, and here too.
Cisco has always been top of the line ... i've had a few.
What i know is that optimal flavor is the target and of course it has to have good vapor production.
The Ciscos imo are not the same level of flavor as the HH357 and the Aero is just below the 357 (IMO)...How much better? that is only measured in tiny increments, so for some its not a big deal...
I find the Aero (which is designed by Cisco too) is smoother in both vapor production and flavor than the Cisco's... not as hot as a 1.5 Cisco.
The 357 as Hanna said has a venturi air draw effect by how he assembles the SS wool filling... not sure if the Aero is the same and would be nice if there was more info about it.
As far as ymmv goes, "you get what you pay for" holds in most cases, and here too.
Hmmmm... I just put in a ticker to Avid Vaper on this and their response was...
"The aero 306 can is the same size as standard 306, any 306 drip tip should fit."
So, this would make sense to me. After all, there is a small size difference between the 306 and the 510 but the MAIN difference, is that the 510 has the 'tube' as part of the atty while the 306 has the tube as part of the mouthpiece.
So, guess I can give this a try and compare it to the standard bridgeless 306 atty from them.
IMHO
Use normal 510 atomizer.
Buy eBaron Spiral Dripper from houseofmods.
If aesthetics is not important, buy IGO-L drip - it's a little more in diameter. But you can find a decorative ring.
whoa... i didn't know they had an Aero "306".... i'm talking about the Aero i know this is a 510/306 Hybrid... with the 510 body... yeah? that would be a misunderstanding
edit - and yeah, you are right... go for the 306
edit - and yeah, you are right... go for the 306
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hmmmm.... there's talk about 'hybrids' and... was wondering what they meant by that.
Reading the text on the HH.357.... they talk about putting a 306 coil inside a 510 body. So, I guess that is what they are talking about. But, I am not sure there is much difference between a 306 coil and a 510 coil. Unless I am mistaken, originally the ciscos were JUST 306. So, maybe that was what the HH.357 was all about in the first place... taking a cisco 306 coil and putting it inside a 510 body.
On the Aeros, there is no talk about being a 'hybrid'. They just have the 306 sized (and no tube) and the 510 sized (with the tube... I would imagine). Maybe they used the 306 coils inside the 510 body at least to start with I don't know. Yeah, one can only wonder if the standard cisco 510 atomizers use the same coil as their 306es. No reason not to.... there is not that much difference in the size of the 306 and 510... the main difference is tube or no tube.
The main problem I had with dripping.... was a lot of the juices I had (mainly PureSmoker and Tasty Vapor) tended to clog up the atties... sometimes in using only 3ml or so (coffee and natural tobacco juice). Looking at the atty coils under 10x magnification (which you can do with the 306es but not so much with 510s), what was happenning was that scabs were developing on the coils, from the flavoring that did not vape, and if you kept vaping that atty it would 'pop', with the heat not escaping the scab and burning out the atty.
This past fall... I finally learned how to dry burn and, with this and the other cleaning I had developed, FINALLY got to the point where I could get rid of these scabs as well as cleaning partially scabbed atties.
So, the point I am getting at here... at least for me... I got no interest in the HH.357 or the Aero 510 or any 510 atty... simply because I could not clean them the way I have learned to clean by 306es.
And then of course there are the Ikenvape I06es... which are 510 sized, open bridged atties (e.g. no tube). These are a possibility, if you can find a DT that will fit them... but they still have the bridge so, not sure worth the effort to try out the two that I bought.
To each their own I guess.
Oh, one last thing... took a look at the I06es and, they have 4 turns in the coil... while a 306 2.0 ohm cisco... has about 15 turns in the coil. IMO, more turns is better but... lots of people like the I06es so, again, to each their own.
Reading the text on the HH.357.... they talk about putting a 306 coil inside a 510 body. So, I guess that is what they are talking about. But, I am not sure there is much difference between a 306 coil and a 510 coil. Unless I am mistaken, originally the ciscos were JUST 306. So, maybe that was what the HH.357 was all about in the first place... taking a cisco 306 coil and putting it inside a 510 body.
On the Aeros, there is no talk about being a 'hybrid'. They just have the 306 sized (and no tube) and the 510 sized (with the tube... I would imagine). Maybe they used the 306 coils inside the 510 body at least to start with I don't know. Yeah, one can only wonder if the standard cisco 510 atomizers use the same coil as their 306es. No reason not to.... there is not that much difference in the size of the 306 and 510... the main difference is tube or no tube.
The main problem I had with dripping.... was a lot of the juices I had (mainly PureSmoker and Tasty Vapor) tended to clog up the atties... sometimes in using only 3ml or so (coffee and natural tobacco juice). Looking at the atty coils under 10x magnification (which you can do with the 306es but not so much with 510s), what was happenning was that scabs were developing on the coils, from the flavoring that did not vape, and if you kept vaping that atty it would 'pop', with the heat not escaping the scab and burning out the atty.
This past fall... I finally learned how to dry burn and, with this and the other cleaning I had developed, FINALLY got to the point where I could get rid of these scabs as well as cleaning partially scabbed atties.
So, the point I am getting at here... at least for me... I got no interest in the HH.357 or the Aero 510 or any 510 atty... simply because I could not clean them the way I have learned to clean by 306es.
And then of course there are the Ikenvape I06es... which are 510 sized, open bridged atties (e.g. no tube). These are a possibility, if you can find a DT that will fit them... but they still have the bridge so, not sure worth the effort to try out the two that I bought.
To each their own I guess.
Oh, one last thing... took a look at the I06es and, they have 4 turns in the coil... while a 306 2.0 ohm cisco... has about 15 turns in the coil. IMO, more turns is better but... lots of people like the I06es so, again, to each their own.
the reason i went to HH357 is after a few years of mostly dripping (because it tasted better than a carto or DCT) I was batting 1000 on vapor but being a chain vaper i was gettin "no satisfaction" with the flavor... 901, 306, 510, i06, you name it... LR, SR,
- and then i tried a HH357 and it blew me away... Finally i could taste the juice as it was meant to be.
Then I discovered that mass produced "hybrids" (i'll have to look that up and it doesn't mean the Genesis Hybrid devices which are a batt and Gen atomizer in one device) like Aero and AMG b/f were better than the conventionals too.
btw all this is moot to me now as I only vape Genesis SLR (super low resistance) since this is the next level of GOOOOD
- and then i tried a HH357 and it blew me away... Finally i could taste the juice as it was meant to be.
Then I discovered that mass produced "hybrids" (i'll have to look that up and it doesn't mean the Genesis Hybrid devices which are a batt and Gen atomizer in one device) like Aero and AMG b/f were better than the conventionals too.
btw all this is moot to me now as I only vape Genesis SLR (super low resistance) since this is the next level of GOOOOD
I looked and could only find a Genesis rebuildable out there but... I see in the review forums they are talking about .8 and 1.0 ohm resistance at 4.2 volts.
LOL.... we are talking 16 watts here or more.... maybe 20 watts.
If the heat coming from the heating element(s) (coils) is spread out enough.... then you can get by with no burning and HUGE amounts of vapor.
Uh.... I don't need this. I am getting good flavor and TH as things stand now.
Enough is enough.
LOL.... we are talking 16 watts here or more.... maybe 20 watts.
If the heat coming from the heating element(s) (coils) is spread out enough.... then you can get by with no burning and HUGE amounts of vapor.
Uh.... I don't need this. I am getting good flavor and TH as things stand now.
Enough is enough.
Just for the record.... after my last post in this thread... I went and tried some Tasty Vapor Cafe Mocha on my 3.4 volt ego (5.8 watts) and really wanted some more vapor so tried it on my Ego C Twist set at 3.9 volts (7.6 watts). This voltage is roughly equivalent to using a 1.5 ohm atomizer (7.8 watts at 3.4 volts) rather than the 2.0 ohmer.
And, I got a lot more vapor. It's just that when I came down to the end of the vape... it started burning. So, I guess on this one, can always stop at that point OR add some more drops.
But then I tried Tasty Vapor German Chocolate Cake on the same and... started getting burning half ways through the vape... and then tried it back on the 3.4 volt ego... and was fine.
So, I guess the bottom line is... different juices... even from the same vender... start burning at different wattages.
With this, I guess I could get a couple more Ego C Twists and.... vape different juices at different voltages (this is all on 2.0 ohm bridgeless cisco 306es).
However, as far as going to REALLY LOW RESISTANCE.... sheesh.... I have my main vape (Puresmoker Silver Leaf Menthol) on a 1.5 ohm cisco brigdeless atty, and that is 7.8 watts.... and on that... I SOMETIMES get some burning. With the Ego C Twist I could go up to 3.7 volts (from the PBusardo youtube video it won't go higher than that at 1.5 ohms even if you turn the dial higher than that), which would be 9.1 watts, but I haven't even tried that... would be TOO MUCH burning.
So, again, to each their own... and what works for one person, may indeed not work for another.
And, I got a lot more vapor. It's just that when I came down to the end of the vape... it started burning. So, I guess on this one, can always stop at that point OR add some more drops.
But then I tried Tasty Vapor German Chocolate Cake on the same and... started getting burning half ways through the vape... and then tried it back on the 3.4 volt ego... and was fine.
So, I guess the bottom line is... different juices... even from the same vender... start burning at different wattages.
With this, I guess I could get a couple more Ego C Twists and.... vape different juices at different voltages (this is all on 2.0 ohm bridgeless cisco 306es).
However, as far as going to REALLY LOW RESISTANCE.... sheesh.... I have my main vape (Puresmoker Silver Leaf Menthol) on a 1.5 ohm cisco brigdeless atty, and that is 7.8 watts.... and on that... I SOMETIMES get some burning. With the Ego C Twist I could go up to 3.7 volts (from the PBusardo youtube video it won't go higher than that at 1.5 ohms even if you turn the dial higher than that), which would be 9.1 watts, but I haven't even tried that... would be TOO MUCH burning.
So, again, to each their own... and what works for one person, may indeed not work for another.
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a ha... welcome to my web... just kidding;
I know exactly what you are saying... thing is, SLR is a whole diferent ball game.
This is for Genesis only (and not silica wick RBA - at your risk)... the stainless mesh wick (device kept at a tilt) keeps the juice there and the super high heat doesn't burn the juice!) You need a good mechanical device that has the proper connectivity and safety features too.
28g A1 kanthal 3/4 wrap = .8 to 1.0 Ohms and the best devices shoot 3.7 to 4.2v (IMR batteries i use only 18650)
I know exactly what you are saying... thing is, SLR is a whole diferent ball game.
This is for Genesis only (and not silica wick RBA - at your risk)... the stainless mesh wick (device kept at a tilt) keeps the juice there and the super high heat doesn't burn the juice!) You need a good mechanical device that has the proper connectivity and safety features too.
28g A1 kanthal 3/4 wrap = .8 to 1.0 Ohms and the best devices shoot 3.7 to 4.2v (IMR batteries i use only 18650)
now honestly when is the last time you had a cigarette perform like those setups though. i'm on board with the atty. I just see the SLR being too far. I guess i just don't see why someone needs ALL that vapor. Genesis in standard resistance seems promising for a good flavor in a tank setup but the atty you have for testing. however now there's the amp tank which i suppose we will see how that plays out
absolutely... this is for fiends... hobbyists that must have the latest; there's quite a few and this is a vaper that's been on the far side of reasonable for over 3 years here. haha
btw Imeo (GG) is coming out with Achilles a rebuildable atomizer the size of a 901 and a tank.
as for the AMP tank, in my case its a little late arriving... for a year i was heavy invested in 357's (because i couldn't figure out the Genesis to my liking)... but for the price, not sure its not just another tank albeit atty tank and 357.
btw Imeo (GG) is coming out with Achilles a rebuildable atomizer the size of a 901 and a tank.
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Amp Tank Only Includes:
1x Amp Tank (top and bottom caps, valve, and Fused Quartz tube (3ml (standard) or 5ml (long barrel) tube)
1x Cisco Spec 510 Bridgeless Stainless atomizer (resistance selection above)
1x 510 atomizer extender (included with 5ml Long Barrel selection only)
copied and pasted from the amp tank page. doesn't come with a 357. but ya know i like the idea. it's basically been there just not produced or refined but now its here and honestly if it gets good reviews i'll probably pick one up before a zap because upon failure it's an atty switch not making a new coil
1x Amp Tank (top and bottom caps, valve, and Fused Quartz tube (3ml (standard) or 5ml (long barrel) tube)
1x Cisco Spec 510 Bridgeless Stainless atomizer (resistance selection above)
1x 510 atomizer extender (included with 5ml Long Barrel selection only)
copied and pasted from the amp tank page. doesn't come with a 357. but ya know i like the idea. it's basically been there just not produced or refined but now its here and honestly if it gets good reviews i'll probably pick one up before a zap because upon failure it's an atty switch not making a new coil
Ah... if the heat from the coil dissipates into the mesh and that is where you get the vaporization, would seem like a sound principle. You wouldn't get the real hot contact that you get with juice right on the coil.
I saw one review of the Genesis where the reviewer called it a POS... I guess you just have to learn how to use it correctly.
But, as the other poster pointed out... do you really need to go this far? Of course, if you want to that is another story. But for me, would have to break down and go for a mod and that is just the start.
Lastly... we have gone beyond the OPs post and not sure all this would have a positive impact on a new dripper... if anything more negative than positive (kinda scary) but.... you can get started dripping real easy... just pop the mouthpiece off your atty and drip then replace mouthpiece and vape.
In any case, IMO dripping beats the socks off of everything else. A matter of the flavor in the juice not getting caught up in the wicks, fill material, cardboard and the like that you get with cartridges, cartomizers and clearomizers.
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