nic level guesstimations

[somdcomputerguy]

The snippet below is from my vapin' page. (Southern Maryland Computerguy available from my profile too) I am not a doctor or chemist nor have I ever been one on TV, and the 30/16.5 are not provable by me. I have neither the money or the expertise to do so.

30 mg nicotine a pack @ 3 to 6 packs/week 90 - 180
16.56 mg nicotine per ml @ 5 to 10 ml/week 82.8 - 165.6

The numbers above on the left are guesstimations..
I went with 1.5mg (cigarettes) and 69% of 24mg/ml (e-liquid)..

Here are some of the links I used to come up with those numbers. They're also on the vapin' page.
Nicotine content of a tobacco cigarette
Nicotine levels in electronic cigarettes
I spent many nights reading web pages and .pdf's but those two links (also on my page) have the numbers that came up (except the 69% I was going with 70% but..) the most and I ended up going with.

There is also this calculator made by a member here
E-Liquid Nicotine Consumption/Absorption Calculator

 

[lovemytank]

Wow, you are a geek like me. I smoked a 1.5 packs a day and went to 18mg. After days of being light headed I went to 12mg. Found my spot at 6mg, now 2.5-3mg. vape till youre sick, then lower the nic I say.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Based on my calculations (which are probably not too accurate) I have lowered my nic level just by quitting cigarettes.

 

[SleeZy]

I started with 24mg for quite some time, used to smoke 20-30 "reds" (1mg /cigg)
And that was just enough for me, i had a hard time going to 18mg at first but got used to it. And from there i went into 12mg once i started with RDAs.
And i'm still there today due when i went down to 6/3mgs i had a 2 week relapse due irl issues. So for me 12mg is still the sweet spot.

BUT atm i'm vaping my favorite juice which is 24mg (leftover since old times) And i can still vape it fine in my kayfun at 1 ohm however i need lesser drags compared to the 12mgs.

I don't think its rly possible to compare cigg vs ecigg, just due the efficency of delivery. The ciggs are made to get us that "HIT" immedietly which E-cigg doesn't. And we absorb about 30-40% of that nicotine at maximum (from vaping)

But it does also depend on what delivery device + tank being used.
When i vaped 24mg / at all times i only had a vision spinner mtp2 to use.
These days we've full 50+++ wattage mods with subohm. If you're using such a device a 12mg or even 6mg would be sufficent.

All in all i'm happy with my 12mg in rdas, can chain without any issues. However my issue is to go down to 6 without having to chain vape(x100) a ton.

Anyway i might have missinterpret this post abit, but i feelt like sharing anyway.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Anyway i might have missinterpret this post abit, but i feelt like sharing anyway.

Well thanks for sharing. Last night I reduced the 69% of 24 to 67%. Maybe that is still too high.. I have two clearos, both are BDC, one's 2.1 ohm and the other is 1.5 ohm. The three different types of batteries I have are 1) plain eGo type, the voltage and wattage they put out I don't know, 2) an eGo VV that I can use either tank on, usually set to put out 4 volts, 3) a 134 mini (not a battery per say I know) that I also can use either tank on and it's usually set to 8.5 watts, although now it's set to 9.5 watts.

 

[Racehorse]

30 mg nicotine a pack @ 3 to 6 packs/week 90 - 180
16.56 mg nicotine per ml @ 5 to 10 ml/week 82.8 - 165.6

Actually, there's a real easy computation which I use for introducing newbies to vaping. . MG in cig if 0.8, (Marlboro Medium King size) multiply that by 20 if you smoke a pack a day. Gives you 16mg. Gets you very close to what you should start to vape with.
1-1/2 packs a day, Marlboro Mediums - 30 cigs. 30 x 0.8 = 24. Start vaping at 24mg and go down from there if too strong.

An ultra lite cig has about 0.5 mg nic. A pack a day 0.5 x 20 = 10 A new vaper who was smoking ultralites will be best served by using 10mg eliquid. (anything higher is likely to make an ultra lite smoker dizzy, nauseous, not at ease, etc.)

I know because when I joined was always told "start with 24 or 18". WRONG.

I smoked a pack a day, but they were not full flavor cigs. I was sick at first, then jumpy and anxious....the whole first week.........and it wasn't withdrawal.
As soon as I went to 12mg nic I felt great.

I started with 24mg for quite some time, used to smoke 20-30 "reds" (1mg /cigg)

That would about fit into the way I calculate, 25 cigs a day of 1.0 mg = 25. So 24mg eliquid would have been what I would have started you on. 1.0mg cigs are pretty strong~

 

[Racehorse]

Forgot to add to my post above: With newer equipment, you can also err "down" because you build low resistance coils, or sub ohm, you're not going to need the full calculation.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

The numbers on this page came up the often in the reports I was able to find on the internet.
Nicotine content of a tobacco cigarette

 

[lovemytank]

I got confused with all the math here so not to belabor but when a juice is 18mg nic, that is 18mg per ml. So if I vape 5 ml per day that is 630 mg per week. How can both a 15ml or 30ml bottle that say 18% nic both have the same amount? It is per ml. I am therefore vaping way more nic than when I was smoking but I feel much healthier. Am I getting this wrong? Who vapes only 5-10ml per week, you are very conservative my friend, good for you.

 

[stevegmu]

Size of bottle doesn't matter; it is per ml.

I gave up trying to figure it all out. I like 2.4% during the day and 3.6% at night. I don't measure how much I vape, as I have 6 tanks in rotation/day, but maybe 5 ml-10ml...

I have no idea if I am getting more or less nicotine than I did when I smoked...

 

[VictorViper]

This is me not being helpful: By my calculations, we have drastically different opinions on what constitutes a guesstimate!

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Who vapes only 5-10ml per week

Me. Almost always not more than 7 or 8.

you are very conservative my friend, good for you.

Thanks.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I don't measure how much I vape

I don't measure it exactly, but I have a 1.8 ml tank and a 3 ml one. I refill them when they're about 2/3 empty.

I have no idea if I am getting more or less nicotine than I did when I smoked...

I think I do, but I'm probably wrong. I usually am..

 

[somdcomputerguy]

we have drastically different opinions on what constitutes a guesstimate!

That's what makes opinions and belly buttons so alike. Everybody has their own!

 

[WharfRat1976]

Forget it..

 

[somdcomputerguy]

If anybody is interested, I have changed the numbers on the vaperage part of the vapin' page I made. I started that part of my page after a discussion with a friend of mine (who still smokes). Her side was "what's the difference? they both have nicotine."
SoMDcomputerguy - Vape

FWIW, the total numbers of both are very, very close. Except the per pack and per ml numbers. When I discover an accurate nicotine delivery number for the cigarettes, I'll most probably edit the page again to include total and delivery numbers for both.

 

[lovemytank]

1ml of my 3mg nic juice is equal to 2.5 of my cigs. I think I am consuming way more nic then when I was smoking but, BUT nic is not so bad for me since I am healthy. All the other stuff that goes with burning plants (tobacco) and inhaling to my toes is what would have killed me guaranteed. Now I smell like bubblegum and just hiked 10 miles like I was 20 years old.

 

[BigEgo]

It's not easy to compare vaping nic to cigarette nic. But I used to smoke ulta-lights (which are now called "orange" by law). I looked on the back of the pack once and it said 0.5mg of nic per cigarette. That's 10mg per pack. I smoked 2 PAD, which would be about 20mg of nic per day.

I now vape 3mg liquid, but go through about 10-15mL per day. So, it looks like I am getting more nic now (even though I only vape 3mg) than I did when I smoked. Of course, I don't know how much of that nic from vaping actually gets absorbed into the bloodstream. I am pretty sure the ".5mg per cigarette" figure is the absorption rate. The actual amount of nic in the raw cigarette is much higher.

 

[stevegmu]

The only way to know would involve science, ala testing the nicotine in ones' system after smoking a cigarette, after vaping a measured amount and compare the numbers. Given everyone has different absorption rates, the study would have to involve a number of people over time- in order to establish a baseline and have sufficient time between sessions of smoking and vaping. Until such a study, it's all just guessing...

 

[lovemytank]

If I vape 60 mg of nic in a day I feel great, if I chew 20 mg of nic gum I feel awful (when not able to vape). Science schmienze. Vape till your ears ring then turn it down. Is this bad advise?