nicotine and caffeine.....weird anxiety issue.

[yepimonfire]

anyone else noticed when they started vaping and quit smoking they had to cut their caffeine intake by a HUGE amount?

lately ive been noticing somewhat of a strung out like feeling, like im overly wired and anxiety about everything, at first i wondered if i needed a lower nic amount, but the issue is that unless i use 24mg/32mg nic i'm never satisfied and end up having to vape like half the cart. the other reason im pretty sure its not the nic is because i always vape like crazy in the morning hours before ive had any caffeine with 32mg nic and have absolutely no problems, i have also abstained from any nic for 2 and a half hours, over the course of two hours nicotine levels in the brain drop by half. before i started vaping i was dipping huge 1/5th can dips several times a day, a normal sized dip only contains about 3-4mgs of nicotine (or thats how much of it is absorbed anyways). however, as the day goes on i drink the equivalent of about a pot of coffee. by the end of the day i feel so freaking strung out and anxious its not even funny.

 

[mostlyclassics]

Both nicotine and caffeine are stimulants. It's possibe that vaping has changed your loading pattern for nicotine.

Over the course of almost a year of vaping, I've incidentally cut my coffee from three monster mugs to one cup per day. I also make it a little weaker now: no longer can a spoon stand upright in it.

 

[Stubby]

It's been fairly well established that there is more going on with tobacco then just nicotine. There are other minor alkaloids (nicotine is an alkaloid) that can change the nature of the effect we get. The minor alkaloids tend to have a calming effect while the nicotine has a stimulating effect. That's an oversimplification as it's very likely a good deal more complex then that. I'm not sure anyone really fully understands everything that is happening. I'm guessing the minor alkaloids actually change how we react to nicotine. Vaping straight nicotine in e-liquid is not at all the same as smoking, and it goes well beyond the fact that there is no smoke and any nasty stuff from combustion.

It's not at all surprising that you feel overstimulated. It's further complicated as different people react differently to different aspects of tobacco. For some people the minor alkaloids have a major effect and they feel something missing from straight nicotine e-liquid. Others do quite well. You just have to kind of figure out what works for you.

One thing you may want to try is to use some snus or WTA e-liquid. Both have the missing elements not found in regular e-liquid. It could very well calm you down and get you back in balance. Ether that of back off on the coffee. You had found a balance with cigarettes and coffee that was working for you but now the equation has changed. Things need to be adjusted to get back in balance.

 

[CraigHB]

I have the same issue. I have to be careful about how much coffee I drink. I've always had a problem, but it's noticably worse after I started vaping.

I think the difference is that cigarettes deliver nicotine with enhancers that give you a blast that wears off quickly. The tobacco companies have poured huge amounts of money into developing the nicotine delivery system with cigarettes, designing it to be like that so you get more addicted.

With vaping, nicotine delivery is much more subtle building and wearing off slowly. For example, when I used to smoke, I could also over do it, but going an hour without a cigarette usually got me back to normal. If I over do it with vaping, it can take half a day to get back to normal.

My solution was to switch to decaff after one cup of regular. I think caffinated coffee tastes better, but decaff is better than no coffee.

 

[CCC]

Sorry but i am going to have to tell you i think it is the nicotine. 36mg is considered to be extreemly high in the vaping communitity. If i vape too much i start to feel anxious and i only have 1 coffee per day in the morning. If you need that strong juice in the morning and can tolerate it as you say keep it, then think about dropping down the mg's later in the day, and then drop it again later on. Feeling anxious can also be a side effect from quitting smoking.

 

[yepimonfire]

It's been fairly well established that there is more going on with tobacco then just nicotine. There are other minor alkaloids (nicotine is an alkaloid) that can change the nature of the effect we get. The minor alkaloids tend to have a calming effect while the nicotine has a stimulating effect. That's an oversimplification as it's very likely a good deal more complex then that. I'm not sure anyone really fully understands everything that is happening. I'm guessing the minor alkaloids actually change how we react to nicotine. Vaping straight nicotine in e-liquid is not at all the same as smoking, and it goes well beyond the fact that there is no smoke and any nasty stuff from combustion.

It's not at all surprising that you feel overstimulated. It's further complicated as different people react differently to different aspects of tobacco. For some people the minor alkaloids have a major effect and they feel something missing from straight nicotine e-liquid. Others do quite well. You just have to kind of figure out what works for you.

One thing you may want to try is to use some snus or WTA e-liquid. Both have the missing elements not found in regular e-liquid. It could very well calm you down and get you back in balance. Ether that of back off on the coffee. You had found a balance with cigarettes and coffee that was working for you but now the equation has changed. Things need to be adjusted to get back in balance.

where are some good wta dealers? only ones i saw were vapelicious and aroma juice but aroma juice doesn't ever have it in stock.

 

[Stubby]

Those are the only two. WTA is still in the early stages so and has become available only recently. Aroma is kicking up their production but it is still no up to speed. It is only very spotty when you can get it. It also sells out very fast. I haven't dealt with the other vender.

I missed the fact that you where using dip. That one slid right by me in you original post. Since you where a dipper you may want to look into snus. It's a no-spit form of moist snuff. It has very low TSNA numbers and is not associated with any oral cancer. I do have to mention that dip is not nearly as harmful as we have been lead to believe. It is actually considered very low risk and is recommended by tobacco harm reduction advocates. Snus just takes it to another level.

I use snus on a daily basis.

 

[yepimonfire]

Those are the only two. WTA is still in the early stages so and has become available only recently. Aroma is kicking up their production but it is still no up to speed. It is only very spotty when you can get it. It also sells out very fast. I haven't dealt with the other vender.

I missed the fact that you where using dip. That one slid right by me in you original post. Since you where a dipper you may want to look into snus. It's a no-spit form of moist snuff. It has very low TSNA numbers and is not associated with any oral cancer. I do have to mention that dip is not nearly as harmful as we have been lead to believe. It is actually considered very low risk and is recommended by tobacco harm reduction advocates. Snus just takes it to another level.

I use snus on a daily basis.

it is probably safer then smoking, but there still is a risk for mouth cancer, and i know well enough how badly it fuarked my mouth up using it, i had sores all over it all the time and my gums were all red. i've been switching back and forth between dipping and smoking for the past 4 years. snus is not practical to me right now. i'm on a low budget, being unemployed and a student, vaping is significantly cheaper and feasible.

to those who said it was the nic level......today i drastically reduced my coffee intake from the usual pot to two cups. no anxiety. still vaping 3ml of 32mg/ml nic liquid and i feel fine. had some older 18mg liquid and vaped some of it, i spent probably a half an hour vaping on it before i felt satisfied. i'm not a chain vaper. i vape the way i smoked, a quick 2-3 minutes at around 15 long drawn out puffs every 30-45 mins and i'm good. when i smoked id smoke the entire cig in less then 60 seconds. the enjoyment in smoking and dipping for me was the big massive wham of nicotine every 45 minutes and the only way i can get that is 32mg juice.

 

[Foxfur]

Wow, I thought lots of people vaped at 36mg. I only vape 3ml a day. I'd hate to think how much I'd spend at 18mg.
And coffee, 1 cup in the morning. I rarely finish it. When I smoked, it was 2 or 3 cups and I'd lick em clean.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

I absolutely noticed my caffeine intake go down, probably to half of my smoking-era levels. I was drinking more water to stay hydrated, sure, but I plain didn't want as much caffeine.

For me, that effect started to wear off about two weeks after I started vaping exclusively, but I'm still not back up to the levels I used to drink.

I was vaping 12mg when I was still smoking, and 18 when I switched to 100% vaping. The decrease in caffeine use was bang-on when I upped my nic levels.

 

[CraigHB]

Hehe, I was starting to think I was the only one who had to reduce caffine after switching over to vaping. I vape 10mg BTW so it's not because I'm getting too much or even excessive nic.

 

[ITPython]

I noticed this the other day. I have been analog free for nearly a month, and have been vaping like crazy. Well in the past I had frequently used caffeine pills either to wake me up in the morning or before exercising. So the other day I took one of the same caffeine pills I always used to take, except this time I was left in a very anxious state and very jittery for hours on end, I felt as if I couldn't be in the same spot for very long. It was an uncomfortable feeling to say the least.

I have felt like this before after drinking too many energy drinks, but never after a single caffeine pill!

Now that I am also on Snus (started today, and boy do I feel so much better!) I probably don't have to worry about it as much, but I haven't yet experimented to see for sure.

 

[kfig]

anyone else noticed when they started vaping and quit smoking they had to cut their caffeine intake by a HUGE amount?


YES I am thinking it has something to do with my love for coffee and ciggies together. I just dont enjoy my coffee like I used to.

 

[dlsw]

I have cut my coffee/ cappuchino intake to one or two a day!! What am I going to do with the thousands of dollars of espresso machine/grinder... in my kitchen?

 

[MightyWhighty]

I was just thinking about this today. When I used to chain smoke like crazy I never drank any coffee. Now I drink 2 cups a day while vaping and have had some major anxiety issues. The difference is that as I've gotten older I've had much less energy to stay up late and work early in the morning. It didn't used to be an issue because I normally vape liquid with 0mg of nic so it was just the caffeine from the coffee that was stimulating me. This week I've been vaping some 11mg liquid because some yummy flavors aren't available in 0mg .

I don't think that chain vaping mid-high levels of nic combines well with more than one cup of coffee. I ended up having to mix my liquids up throughout the day. Such as just vaping 0mg while drinking my first cup of coffee, then vamping 11mg in the afternoons, then back to 0mg at night.

 

[KentuckyRain]

Now this is why I love this website! I am having the same problems with anxiety and have cut my coffee down extremely!!!! I was drinking about a pot of coffee everyday while still smoking. I have cut that amount down to about 3 cups a days but I'm thinking that is still to much coffee. I'm just so happy to have found this website because I am learning sooooooo much and everyone seems so friendly and welcome!

 

[jamentertainment]

I noticed that vaping and coffee were giving me shakes, jitters, as soon as i cut back on multiple ice coffees a day I felt fine..But I could bang down a couple iced coffees no prob before i was vaping...

 

[Startle]

Sorry but i am going to have to tell you i think it is the nicotine. 36mg is considered to be extreemly high in the vaping communitity. If i vape too much i start to feel anxious and i only have 1 coffee per day in the morning. If you need that strong juice in the morning and can tolerate it as you say keep it, then think about dropping down the mg's later in the day, and then drop it again later on. Feeling anxious can also be a side effect from quitting smoking.

I agree with this. I usually start off the morning with some good 18mg vapes to help get me going then drop down to 11mg for the commute and a few breaks. Come home back up to 18 for a few then back down as the evening progresses...

Vape On!

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

Both nicotine and caffeine are stimulants. It's possibe that vaping has changed your loading pattern for nicotine.

Over the course of almost a year of vaping, I've incidentally cut my coffee from three monster mugs to one cup per day. I also make it a little weaker now: no longer can a spoon stand upright in it.

hmmmm...I've been vaping a couple months and noticed that I'm chain vaping, so must not be getting enough nic...although I am making my coffee weaker now but still drinking 4 to 6 mugs....must be a tastebuds thing.....I'm more tired as if I'm not getting enough stimulants.... now I have to analyze THIS situation.........

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

anyone else noticed when they started vaping and quit smoking they had to cut their caffeine intake by a HUGE amount?


YES I am thinking it has something to do with my love for coffee and ciggies together. I just dont enjoy my coffee like I used to.

I have not cut down on coffee, but apparently I'm not getting enough nic....now I have to go buy more DIY stuff and add some nic. I really should cut down on coffee, probably for general health reasons LOL...although I hear drinking coffee wards off Alzheimers later in life