Nicotine as a natural cure

[kelm]

I was doing some snooping around today on nicotine and chemical imbalance and came across this article.

Natural Cures – Here’s a Natural Cure Set for Huge Popularity!

Some good reading in it.Maybe someone should forward it to the FDA and Health Canada.

 

[dubd1c3]

This particular article is a pro-nic essay for an "herbal drink" featuring nicotine- there are much more credible sources out there describing the health 'benefits' and uses of nicotine.

Make no mistake about this, Big Pharma has been interested in these effects for a while now. NUMEROUS nicotine-based drugs have been in development for years- they haven't hit the market, for the most part, because of the feared backlash from Anti-Smoke lobby and general public. I believe Big Pharma has a theory that nicotine-based medications will become a gateway for tobacco use and nicotine addiction.

Before these medications hit, the people have to be switched from a "nicotine = bad" mentality to a "nicotine = good" mentality, or at least a "nicotine = not bad" mentality. I believe e-cigs may help usher in this era. As more people use them, the effects of nicotine alone can be studied better. Additionally, the FDA has to gain control over nicotine for regulation, which has basically been accomplished by the 2009 Family tobacco Control Act.

 

[kelm]

Well with me having a slight chemical imbalance I will stick with vaping. At least I know whats going in to my lungs that way.

 

[viktor]

Nicotine is bad (at least) because it is highly addictive. It is bad enough. "Natural cures" and similar expressions lead me to believe that I'm dealing with some kind of business people. An addict's point of view.

 

[dubd1c3]

Anything that stimulates dopamine release is addictive, but to say that all of them are bad is unreasonable. Assigning bad or good labels to a thing are methods of interpretation of that thing, not intrinsic properties of that thing. To say it is bad because it's addictive oversimplifies the issue...

 

[viktor]

Well, dubd1c3, I would like to control my dopamine stimulators. When i just NEED my dopamine in the morning to survive there must be something wrong with me.

 

[dubd1c3]

I was not challenging your personal experience, only giving a view on your statement that "nicotine is bad because it is highly addictive."

 

[viktor]

you think theory i think reality, it seems. no offence.

peace

 

[DemonCowboy]

Nicotine is bad (at least) because it is highly addictive. It is bad enough. "Natural cures" and similar expressions lead me to believe that I'm dealing with some kind of business people. An addict's point of view.

if we're going w/ addictive automatically meaning bad regardless of what benefits because it can be abused, then there are many pharmaceuticals that are bad, including but not limited to:

pain relief
sleep aids
anti-depressants and tranquilizers
etc.

a decent sized list can be found here: Prescription Drug Abuse Chart - Drugs of Abuse and Related Topics - NIDA

if you would then like to argue that it has health risks, and side effects that can be harmful is what makes it bad, well that counts for 90% of all pharmaceuticals i couldn't find any specific link, but do a google search on drug danger or pharmaceuticals with dangerous side effects. or simply look up any perscription drug you've ever used and read their possible side effects.

if you want to argue that it's not prescription, and is dangerous, I hope you're not even a social drinker, because alcohol has just as many dangers to your kidneys, liver etc. and we all know what happens in the short term if that gets abused.

nicotine itself is not really that bad though, a psychoactive drug yes, a versatile one at that, but really has no greater risks of any other drug we put in our bodies. and we have to know better than to over do it. then again if you eat too much salt in your food that will kill you too.

 

[YKruss]

... and we have to know better than to over do it. then again if you eat too much salt in your food that will kill you too.

Even to much water intake will kill you like it did last year to a participant of one radio contest.

 

[uzzaperez]

It says nicotine is non-toxic. I stopped reading there, whatever else may be true in the article, one thing is clear, the author was more than willing to resort to outright lies, therefore the rest can't be trusted whether any of it is true or not. So if what is true has to be confirmed by a reliable source, I don't need to waste my time reading it, I should just read reliable information in the first place.

Nic is highly toxic - if you don't believe that read some of the threads from our vaping chemist friends that are out there regarding storage and use of high nicotine concentrates such as 50 to 100mg juice. Or do a test at home - feed a bottle of "non-toxic" e-liquid to your dog and see what happens.

 

[DemonCowboy]

It says nicotine is non-toxic. I stopped reading there, whatever else may be true in the article, one thing is clear, the author was more than willing to resort to outright lies, therefore the rest can't be trusted whether any of it is true or not. So if what is true has to be confirmed by a reliable source, I don't need to waste my time reading it, I should just read reliable information in the first place.

Nic is highly toxic - if you don't believe that read some of the threads from our vaping chemist friends that are out there regarding storage and use of high nicotine concentrates such as 50 to 100mg juice. Or do a test at home - feed a bottle of "non-toxic" e-liquid to your dog and see what happens.

feed your dog a couple candy bars and see what happens - oops chocolate is toxic folks

 

[uzzaperez]

feed your dog a couple candy bars and see what happens - oops chocolate is toxic folks

You make a good point. Nicotine must not be toxic! Yay!

 

[DemonCowboy]

the point is anything misused or handled improperly can be toxic. i'm not saying to everybody to throw caution to the wind or anything, merely that if used and handled properly, anything and everything can be used safely (take the cleaners under your sink for example most of those are rated toxic but you use those all the time)

on a side note anyone that does choose to misuse anything is free to in my book. Then again, i'm the type of insane jerk that thinks we should take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself

 

[VaporPhreak]

the point is anything misused or handled improperly can be toxic. i'm not saying to everybody to throw caution to the wind or anything, merely that if used and handled properly, anything and everything can be used safely (take the cleaners under your sink for example most of those are rated toxic but you use those all the time)

on a side note anyone that does choose to misuse anything is free to in my book. Then again, i'm the type of insane jerk that thinks we should take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself

I am right there with ya! To be honest, and this is just my opinion, but if a person is dumb enough to, say, drink a bottle of Drain-o. Well then, again in my opinion, thats one less idiot in the Gene-pool. Granted, we were all dumb enough to start smoking in the first place, but at least we (vapers) have wised up enough to see what it was doing to us and seek a viable alternative.

On the subject of Nic, yes its toxic in does of 50mg and above to the MAJORITY of human beings. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean that it cannot be used safely in smaller doses. Here is a similar situation:

Ibuprofen will lessen in pain in the recommended doses, however if you use to much it will kill you. Again, something that is fine in certain doses, and toxic in large ones.

Just my , Take it or leave it.

Happy Vaping

 

[uzzaperez]

Yes, anything misused can be deadly. Case in point the person who drank enough water to kill them-self trying to win a radio show ...... contest. But that point is also pretty close to pointless.

There is a reason why nicotine is considered toxic and water and doughnuts are not. Sure I could eat enough doughnuts to kill myself, or drink enough water - but how many doughnuts or how much water would I have to spill to consider it a HAZMAT problem? The cleaners mentioned on the other hand may be pretty toxic. You wouldn't have to consume much to hurt yourself. Nicotine is the same, it has many negative effects in relatively small doses, and too much (which is, relative to water and doughnuts, not much) can do serious damage. Nicotine on the other hand is considered to be as toxic or more toxic than arsenic.

I don't hear anyone saying we should go ahead and drink household cleaners, but only use small quantities or water it down with PG first.

Obviously I'm a nic user. That doesn't mean I have to lie to myself to make myself feel better about it. I don't have to tell myself that it is good for me instead of accepting the fact that I'd be better off health-wise without it. And I don't have to close my eyes to outright lies claiming it is non-toxic or even better, that it has health benefits that outweigh the negatives.

Nicotine is bad for you. End of story. I use it anyway because I enjoy it. Less damage than say, inhaling paint fumes, but I'm not going to fool myself that it is non-toxic.

Anyone recommend inhaling paint fumes - in moderation of course?

 

[DemonCowboy]

Yes, anything misused can be deadly. Case in point the person who drank enough water to kill them-self trying to win a radio show ...... contest. But that point is also pretty close to pointless.

There is a reason why nicotine is considered toxic and water and doughnuts are not. Sure I could eat enough doughnuts to kill myself, or drink enough water - but how many doughnuts or how much water would I have to spill to consider it a HAZMAT problem? The cleaners mentioned on the other hand may be pretty toxic. You wouldn't have to consume much to hurt yourself. Nicotine is the same, it has many negative effects in relatively small doses, and too much (which is, relative to water and doughnuts, not much) can do serious damage. Nicotine on the other hand is considered to be as toxic or more toxic than arsenic.

I don't hear anyone saying we should go ahead and drink household cleaners, but only use small quantities or water it down with PG first.

Obviously I'm a nic user. That doesn't mean I have to lie to myself to make myself feel better about it. I don't have to tell myself that it is good for me instead of accepting the fact that I'd be better off health-wise without it. And I don't have to close my eyes to outright lies claiming it is non-toxic or even better, that it has health benefits that outweigh the negatives.

Nicotine is bad for you. End of story. I use it anyway because I enjoy it. Less damage than say, inhaling paint fumes, but I'm not going to fool myself that it is non-toxic.

Anyone recommend inhaling paint fumes - in moderation of course?

under this logic u'r car's bad because because it emits carbon monoxide and greenhouse gasses, u'r cell phone is bad because studies have linked the EM fields they create to brain cancer so they're bad, use aerosol spray of any kind ( deodorant, hair spray etc.?) all bad. MOST of today's pharmaceuticals because if u take much of them they'll kill you with side effects. yes nicotine is a drug - just like any pharaceutical - if used improperly it can kill you - but if you disagree take a whole bottle of tylenol or even aspirin at once and see if that's "safe". if you compare much of todays pharma w/ arsenic u'll find that mg for mg they're deadly too. or are there more apples you want to compare w/ oranges?

 

[DaveP]

This link explains the dopamine research with nicotine ->This is your brain on nicotine

 

[dubd1c3]

I have done a lot of research into the "nicotine is a poison/is nicotine bad" issue and idea. A LOT of research. This is what I keep finding over, and over, and over.

On the nicotine danger side:
-Nicotine is a POISON.
-Nicotine is EXTREMELY TOXIC, and it is one of the most toxic substances you will ever come into contact with in your life.
-If you ingested only Xmg of nicotine, you would die.
-It only takes Xmg of nicotine to kill a baby.
-Nicotine harms unborn children.
-Only Xmg of nicotine could kill an entire elephant.

These statements are not relevant to anything. They have nothing to do with the health debate on nicotine. At ALL. They have nothing to do with the common uses of nicotine and the common methods of ingesting nicotine. Do not, mythical opponent, try to tell me that nicotine is bad, or bad for me, because it is "more poisonous than X, Y, or Z!" SO WHAT? Are you five years old, mythical opponent? I burned my hand on a stovetop when I was five, that is why I do not use stovetops to this day. They are so "obviously dangerous."

Nicotine is a poison, so clearly, it has no benefits and should be avoided because poisons harm the body- poisons have no effects but to harm. That is why nicotine is bad.

If you believe nicotine has no benefits, you are grossly misinformed. But stay away nonetheless. If you aren't grossly misinformed, imaginary opponent, and you do decide to use nicotine:

-Don't ingest Xmg of nicotine, ......
-Don't feed nicotine to your baby, ...... Don't leave nicotine within children's reach, ......
-Don't use nicotine while you are pregnant, ......
-Don't give nicotine to your elephant, ......

 

[DemonCowboy]