Nicotine Comparisons

[aikanae1]

I added .5ml of 50/50 to bring the amount up to 3ml for each of my specimen bottles . I'm having fun running my New Tron-S thru it's paces with Unflavored 50/50 12mg/ml and CLR heads right now so I will let my DNB/Flash mixes mature a bit (naturally) and get to them in a week or so, that should be good enough I think. Thanks for all the help, I should be at least in the ball park now, and can adjust from here I think. This is the First mix I have done that is "Other Than PG/VG/Nic". I have syringes that go down to .1ml, but not .0xxx ml and don't have any scale/beakers/mixing tubes. I work with Syringes (3ml, 5ml, 10ml, 20ml, 50ml), Different bottle sizes from 5ml up to 8oz. Glass and Plastic, Blunt tip needles from 12g up to 20g and 1" to 1.5" straight and curved (thanks to shipping for the curved one, it's a Perfect ")" shape 15g 1.5" from Amazon in a 10 syringe/needle set) .

Some of my flavors are in used in small % and I premix them separately, then use them in my final mix. I'm also non tech and end up using drops. I bought some extra droppers so when I did use drops, at least they were from the same type of dropper.

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[darkmader]

I literally started to do research into DIY yesterday and ran into that so I posted the thread on reddit and looking at other places I was shocked, oh and 200mg too?? Damn, nobody does that but I knew I had hours and hours of research more so I wasn't going to pull the trigger and then they came in to ruin the party:

Alex_MFS 3 points 14 hours ago
Hello! Just wanted to swing on in here and touch on a subject that we have encountered within the past 24hrs.

Unfortunately there was a technical glitch with our store software that affected the “Unflavored Nicotine e-liquid Base – 1-Liter Container” products. It incorrectly caused the 200mg strength option to show as available for purchase to retail consumers as well as all nicotine strengths to be charged the incorrect price of $30 per liter. The correct current pricing is below:

24mg - $30 per liter 36mg - $30 per liter 48mg - $35 per liter 60mg - $40 per liter 100mg - $50 per liter 200mg - $90 per liter

Also, we are unable to offer 200mg strengths to retail customers as it can only be sold to wholesale customers with a valid liability waiver on file. Customers that have ordered the 200mg nicotine have been contacted so we can get their order corrected; but we must stress that we CANNOT send out the 200mg nicotine at this moment and we will not falsely label our product so we can ship it out.

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Thanks to bouncing back and forth from here to there I'm going to go with VT 100mg PG for nic. I bet reddit would say to go with nude where you would probably say VT from the comments. VT is $1 more for 120ml and that will last me a long time. Then I spent way too much time trying to break down PG but I really have to move on so I'm going with the liquid barn as I can mix and match a bit with the VG/PG so 750ml of VG and 250PG for $16. Thanks to the calculator I know that 250pg at 70/30 will be a little over 1,000ml.

So I didn't read the guides or anything and basically picking up stuff here and there and I was ready to go full blown Walter White on making juice and then I read about measuring it by weight which is funny because that makes life so much easier and this is all really a piece of cake. Amazon.com: American Weigh Scales LB-501 Digital Kitchen Scale: Aws Digital Scale: Kitchen & Dining is the scale that seems everybody uses as it's great. Now I'm in the middle of finding bottles so I'm almost there.

 

[aikanae1]

I think there's a pinned post on where to get supplies. At least I hope there is still. One bottle supplier I found was a lot less than others when buying bulk for what I used. It's a good source.

I also like Reddit's DIY section. They have amazing guides and some very out spoken members. That's a reason I chose not to worry about NN because if anything was wrong, Jake would have h*ll to pay there. I do like the fact venders can mix in the conversations. Have you looked at the sub, Deeper_DIY? It gets into mixing compounds to create flavors, i.e. way over my head. The rabbit hole deepens ...

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[Dixie1954]

Ok I have a question - before you reply - I already have lots of nic stored in glass bottles of all colors at least 10 different ones - the question is can I store nicotine in PET bottles in my freezer? If not please explain why.

 

[52anddone]

Ok I have a question - before you reply - I already have lots of nic stored in glass bottles of all colors at least 10 different ones - the question is can I store nicotine in PET bottles in my freezer? If not please explain why.

Here Here, I second that question.

 

[r77r7r]

Hi! Long time lurker as I didn't have anything of value to contribute since I'm a newbie starting to learn about the different Nicotines and DIY. I just received a sample from NN and I didn't care for it. To me it has a pretty strong fishy, "weird" taste without much of a TH that I could tell. Though the scent was very mild. FWIW, I mixed it at 10% and I normally vape 3% Nic.

I should add that I have a very strong sense of smell ever since I quit smoking 2 and half years ago. The way I'm able to detect mild scents from far away is uncanny. Still blows me away as I thought I'd grow accustomed to it after awhile but not so. So, since I think NN's is a mild scent than it must be which makes the odd flavor all the more...odd.

I've only tried one other Nic., from One Stop DIY. I love it for an unflavored Nic. It has no odor and no flavor. I've had it for over a year and and a half, kept it in the freezer and then in the frig and then on the countertop for over 6 months in hopes of creating more flavor and it still tastes/smells completely flavorless!

I'd love a Nic with tobacco flavor and a lot of TH but if I can't get that I'd rather go for the one most like OSDIY or no flavor/scent rather than NN any day. To that end does anyone know what OSDIY sells?

I also have some ECX which I hope to try ASAP and will report back when that happens.

Thanks so much to all who've contributed to this thread over the years. I've read a lot and learned a lot and also confused myself in the process. But, hey that's the way I do things! I love to research and analyze everything to death!

Cheers!

I really enjoyed OSDIY. Great nic. Only moved on because of price. There is another place with similar high quality, a bit lower cost. I think it's VapingExtreme. Totally clear and scentless.
I only moved on from them because I needed more punch.

 

[52anddone]

Well, I tried my ECX 12mg/ml Unflavored Nic base with first .5% of DNB, then 1% of DNB and DiD NoT LiKe It At All. It had an Off taste that was not pleasant, neither was the smell, did Nothing for TH either . I sensed it had a musty, almost moldy aspect to it that lingered in my mouth like stale Tobacco. I hope that it will be better in my Arabic mix at .5% to start (still steeping).

Next I tried FA Flash at .5%, then 1%, then 1.5% with the same 12mg/ml Unflavored ECX mix. Now we have something !! . No off taste, No smell, No after taste, Added a Roughness and a slight pepperyness (spelling ??). I don't know if I like 1% or 1.5% better though, still trying to decide on that one, but, FA Flash will NOW be in all my Unflavored ECX Nic mixes.

Cool Breeze, you should try this one, I think that it adds to the body of what TH there is already in the Nic (at least it does for ECX) and makes my mix a more rounded and better satisfying vape, gives it a fuller body. When I went back to my Unflavored with NO FA Flash, I noticed something missing immediately with the TH. My taster is not that sensitive but I noticed it right off with the added FA Flash, and it was GOOD.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

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Cool Breeze, you should try this one, I think that it adds to the body of what TH there is already in the Nic (at least it does for ECX) and makes my mix a more rounded and better satisfying vape, gives it a fuller body. When I went back to my Unflavored with NO FA Flash, I noticed something missing immediately with the TH. My taster is not that sensitive but I noticed it right off with the added FA Flash, and it was GOOD.

Thanks, 52. I 'think' of the various aspects of vaping, TH is the one that may be most important to me. It would be nice to think I might be able to lower the nicotine content of my juices and be satisfied with the same level of TH. I may be dreaming and such a mixture might end up causing me to vape more to keep up the nicotine level I am accustomed to. I should be doing some flavoring purchasing in the not too distant future and will give Flash a try.

Thank you so much for directly addressing my query.

 

[herb]

Well, I tried my ECX 12mg/ml Unflavored Nic base with first .5% of DNB, then 1% of DNB and DiD NoT LiKe It At All. It had an Off taste that was not pleasant, neither was the smell, did Nothing for TH either . I sensed it had a musty, almost moldy aspect to it that lingered in my mouth like stale Tobacco. I hope that it will be better in my Arabic mix at .5% to start (still steeping).

Next I tried FA Flash at .5%, then 1%, then 1.5% with the same 12mg/ml Unflavored ECX mix. Now we have something !! . No off taste, No smell, No after taste, Added a Roughness and a slight pepperyness (spelling ??). I don't know if I like 1% or 1.5% better though, still trying to decide on that one, but, FA Flash will NOW be in all my Unflavored ECX Nic mixes.

Cool Breeze, you should try this one, I think that it adds to the body of what TH there is already in the Nic (at least it does for ECX) and makes my mix a more rounded and better satisfying vape, gives it a fuller body. When I went back to my Unflavored with NO FA Flash, I noticed something missing immediately with the TH. My taster is not that sensitive but I noticed it right off with the added FA Flash, and it was GOOD.

I tried ECX nic once and said never again , it was a very bad experience lol.

 

[52anddone]

Thanks, 52. I 'think' of the various aspects of vaping, TH is the one that may be most important to me. It would be nice to think I might be able to lower the nicotine content of my juices and be satisfied with the same level of TH. I may be dreaming and such a mixture might end up causing me to vape more to keep up the nicotine level I am accustomed to. I should be doing some flavoring purchasing in the not too distant future and will give Flash a try.

Thank you so much for directly addressing my query.

I'm testing out my New VTC mini/Tron-S tank combo and am running the CLR 1Ω heads in it at 13.5 watts in Power mode. I just re-wicked the CLR head with KGD and It's just like my Lemo Drop as far as flavor/Vapor/TH goes. That said, I'm thinking of next time re-wicking I might go with some Rayon, If I do I know that I will HAVE to lower my mg/ml down to 9 from 12 I'm guessing, with the same TH. With my Cthulhu V2 I was at 6mg/ml just because the Cthulhu V2 was such a more efficient Nic delivery system that I was buzzing even at 9mg/ml, and that was with KGD installed (never did try Rayon in that one). So in my experience the atty and wicking material DO make a difference in Nic delivery and TH also. You might try some Rayon and/or a different Atty which may help the TH out some more for you (if you haven't already that is). I've yet to try Liquid Barn's USA Liquid Nic, I've heard that it is in the same league as ECX as far as TH goes, maybe better. That is Next on my list. TH is Very important to me also. I'm closer now, with FA Flash/ECX, but want all I can get, you know.

 

[RonJS]

O the question is can I store nicotine in PET bottles in my freezer? If not please explain why.

Heck, as far as I am concerned, you can store your nicotine in anything you like!

The reason glass bottles are favored is due to the oxygen permeability of PET bottles. In addition, there is also the possibility of plastic leaching into your nic.

Ron

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[Dixie1954]

@RonJS - PET are the most rigid of the plastic bottles - right? Or am I confused (very well could be)?

 

[Whitaker2472]

PET are more rigid but if your wanting to store nic or keep for couple months I would use glass

 

[AnthonyB]

Australian regulations are odd. The test kit results are not very specific. They'll give you a range which is ok as a back up. What your describing is odd. I've bought from HC before and they are reliable. Some of the Chinese eliquids have been around for the longest, they still produce some of the best tobacco flavors. A lot of people like HC's but the shipping costs on retail tend to be high to the US.

You might want to post in the DIY section to help figure out what's going on. My first thought was your system of measuring but it happened with premade liquid too. You might want to buy different strengths of the same flavor, then you can use a calculator to mix down to a mg level that works better. Just some thoughts.

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Thanks for the advice.

The mixing is easy in terms of calculating the nicotine strength. After all, I purchased 18mg and 24 mg flavorless Pg/Vg liquid so I can't go too far wrong. I vape 12-18 mg liquid in some of my lower wattage devices so theoretically, even if I Vaped this flavorless Nic liquid I got from HC it shouldn't make me nicotine high.

Yet what I am finding is that I am getting nicotine high if I dilute these liquids down by half. I am finding if I mix to what should be 4 or 6mg based on the stated nicotine levels on the bottles, that appears to be just right and to me feels more like the 12-18 mg I am used to vaping in my old ego-evod type setups at 9 watts.

It almost as if they are 3 times stronger than they are supposed to be.

Can nicotine become toxic in other ways of it is of a bad quality or gets older other than just nicotine dosage ?


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[r77r7r]

Can nicotine become toxic in other ways of it is of a bad quality or gets older other than just nicotine dosage ?

I think maybe if you bought the nic base in VG and allowed it to sit out rather than refrigerated, the VG itself may get funky. Dunno about toxic..

 

[aldenf]

Thanks for the advice.

The mixing is easy in terms of calculating the nicotine strength. After all, I purchased 18mg and 24 mg flavorless Pg/Vg liquid so I can't go too far wrong. I vape 12-18 mg liquid in some of my lower wattage devices so theoretically, even if I Vaped this flavorless Nic liquid I got from HC it shouldn't make me nicotine high.

Yet what I am finding is that I am getting nicotine high if I dilute these liquids down by half. I am finding if I mix to what should be 4 or 6mg based on the stated nicotine levels on the bottles, that appears to be just right and to me feels more like the 12-18 mg I am used to vaping in my old ego-evod type setups at 9 watts.

It almost as if they are 3 times stronger than they are supposed to be.

Can nicotine become toxic in other ways of it is of a bad quality or gets older other than just nicotine dosage ?


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I've had 100mg/ml nic, in VG, sit in a pantry cupboard for up to 8 months, as I mixed from it. There certainly was a shift in flavor and color. But I noticed no difference in nic strength/potency/toxicity. PS I don't do that anymore. 100mg/ml lives in the freezer unless I'm mixing base.

I would look instead at your delivery system. Newer/larger attys produce much more dense vapor than the attys of yore [2 years ago =)] They deliver nicotine much more efficiently. If you peruse JeremyR's Rayon thread, you'll find that many users new to Rayon had to cut their nic levels, sometimes in half, because of increased nic hit, just from the new wicking material. Many DIYers make two (or more) nic bases to mix with. I certainly don't drip the same nic level as I put in my single-coil RTAs. Find what works in your gear and run with it.

 

[AnthonyB]

I've had 100mg/ml nic, in VG, sit in a pantry cupboard for up to 8 months, as I mixed from it. There certainly was a shift in flavor and color. But I noticed no difference in nic strength/potency/toxicity. PS I don't do that anymore. 100mg/ml lives in the freezer unless I'm mixing base.

I would look instead at your delivery system. Newer/larger attys produce much more dense vapor than the attys of yore [2 years ago =)] They deliver nicotine much more efficiently. If you peruse JeremyR's Rayon thread, you'll find that many users new to Rayon had to cut their nic levels, sometimes in half, because of increased nic hit, just from the new wicking material. Many DIYers make two (or more) nic bases to mix with. I certainly don't drip the same nic level as I put in my single-coil RTAs. Find what works in your gear and run with it.

This is a possibility but like I said I am very careful with 18 mg mixes. I only vape them at 8 watts in evods and 510 atomizers from years ago.

You might be right though. 18 mg should be a thing of the past.

I've heard rayon can make people Nic sick if they don't adjust their nicotine levels downwards.


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[52anddone]

Cool_Breeze, I hope that you're doing well these days, I have an Update for you. I am using my Lemo Drop/1.65Ω, Twisted 30g 8 wraps, spaced, Kanthal A-1, 3mm KGD wicked coil, with 12mg/ml ECX Unflavored 60/40 PG and 2% FA Flash and this is about right for me on TH . I tried 2.5% and even 3% FA Flash and did notice an almost spicy effect at the back of my throat that did NOT clear out with time (it lingered), even started to make me cough some and I developed a hoarseness when trying to speak , so 2% FA Flash is the strongest that I can tolerate in a 12mg/ml Nic solution in my Lemo Drop as I have it set up. With my Tron-S/CLR 1Ω 2.5mm factory coil (nichrome 80 I think) re-wicked with KGD I can get up to 2.5% FA Flash with the same 12mg/ml Nic solution, because the Tron-S slightly mutes my flavor/TH as compared to my Lemo. All this at between 12.5-14 watts. Hope this helps you out some on you're Quest for better TH.

P.S. I now HAVE to use FA Flash in ALL my Unflavored ECX Nic mixes, I like it that much.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Cool_Breeze, I hope that you're doing well these days, I have an Update for you. I am using my Lemo Drop/1.65Ω, Twisted 30g 8 wraps, spaced, Kanthal A-1, 3mm KGD wicked coil, with 12mg/ml ECX Unflavored 60/40 PG and 2% FA Flash and this is about right for me on TH . I tried 2.5% and even 3% FA Flash and did notice an almost spicy effect at the back of my throat that did NOT clear out with time (it lingered), even started to make me cough some and I developed a hoarseness when trying to speak , so 2% FA Flash is the strongest that I can tolerate in a 12mg/ml Nic solution in my Lemo Drop as I have it set up. With my Tron-S/CLR 1Ω 2.5mm factory coil (nichrome 80 I think) re-wicked with KGD I can get up to 2.5% FA Flash with the same 12mg/ml Nic solution, because the Tron-S slightly mutes my flavor/TH as compared to my Lemo. All this at between 12.5-14 watts. Hope this helps you out some on you're Quest for better TH.

P.S. I now HAVE to use FA Flash in ALL my Unflavored ECX Nic mixes, I like it that much.

Does your experience suggest anything regarding lowering nicotine levels while maintaining TH via Flash?

 

[52anddone]

Does your experience suggest anything regarding lowering nicotine levels while maintaining TH via Flash?

Not really CB, it's hard for me to explain. What I have found is Flash defines TH so that it is more noticeable, but not stronger (if that makes any sense). I find that adding Flash helps to isolate the TH from the Nic and better define it and bring it to the forefront (it gives me all that there already is), whereas without Flash the TH almost seems muted or somewhat lost in the background (not as close to a Tobacco TH experience), Flash will NOT make me want to lower my Nic level, but at the same time I now do not think about raising my Nic level solely for want of more TH. I hope that something I have put down here will strike a note, my command of the English language fails me at times (more so as I get older), I truly apologize for that. Let me try this, Flash makes my TH "Better", Not "Stronger". Saying that, I also do NOT think any amount of Flash will bring RTS or MBV Nic up to the same level of TH that Plain ECX Nic has (at the same Nic strength, that is). I'm gonna stop now before I confuse myself.