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It was all a bit much for me to take in spread out in text. That was the impetus for the chart.
Some things have changed since a year ago. I think RTS's nicotine profile has changed some. Prices have dropped.
Given sufficient input from authority, I'd be glad to update the chart.
That's a good idea, yes please. I used that chart myself to purchase nic back in February, so thanks very much for making it
Myk, again thanks for dropping in. I didn't really set out to do much "buy this or buy that" with this thread and I think that goes for most people that hang out in here. We all have our own tastes and what not. There are some purity discussions that you might find interesting but that would require some digging
I was pretty clear about what I wanted to do here, and I did it. I believe that started with "purpose and limitations" and something to that effect. I find it personally useful to describe and classify different tastes, and to talk with others about issues surrounding nic. So that's what happened and I'm happy with it.
You can't remove subjectivity because taste is subjectivity. A blind test with a single 'taster' could at best prove the consistency and reproducibility of that person's tastes; at worst prove that they're all over the place. A blind test with multiple testers would just give you a democratic version of the same, completely subjective data.
From the written text here it should be very clear that I and others spent far more than hours or even days with a given nic
The first and second "tests" where not identical in method, content, or number of nicotines used
I love cool breeze's chart but please understand that its merely a graphical representation of my descriptions for the most part, unless I'm mistaken
What nicotine did you buy recently? (I think you alluded to this above)
And again about recommendations, e.g. which one is the "best." If you mean chemical purity, than that's another topic. If you mean vendor, yet another. If you mean flavor, not only is that subjective but its going to be further complicated by what you like to vape. As an example note that Kurt and myself, who primarily vape unflavored, like more 'flavorful' nics...
If you're just starting with DIY I would just buy from someone you have reasons to trust (again somewhat subjective and arbitrary), buy nic that has available purity data/Kurt can vouch for, and just go with it for a while. If you're planning on stocking up for the long term just grab a few different ones. There really is no BAD way to go so long as you do that, they all work.
For me the above translates into sticking with:
MFS, WLI/WLR, ECX, maybe XTR/VZ (no data, but people I trust), and newly discussed, NicVape
I was pretty clear about what I wanted to do here, and I did it. I believe that started with "purpose and limitations" and something to that effect. I find it personally useful to describe and classify different tastes, and to talk with others about issues surrounding nic. So that's what happened and I'm happy with it.
You can't remove subjectivity because taste is subjectivity. A blind test with a single 'taster' could at best prove the consistency and reproducibility of that person's tastes; at worst prove that they're all over the place. A blind test with multiple testers would just give you a democratic version of the same, completely subjective data.
From the written text here it should be very clear that I and others spent far more than hours or even days with a given nic
The first and second "tests" where not identical in method, content, or number of nicotines used
I love cool breeze's chart but please understand that its merely a graphical representation of my descriptions for the most part, unless I'm mistaken
What nicotine did you buy recently? (I think you alluded to this above)
And again about recommendations, e.g. which one is the "best." If you mean chemical purity, than that's another topic. If you mean vendor, yet another. If you mean flavor, not only is that subjective but its going to be further complicated by what you like to vape. As an example note that Kurt and myself, who primarily vape unflavored, like more 'flavorful' nics...
If you're just starting with DIY I would just buy from someone you have reasons to trust (again somewhat subjective and arbitrary), buy nic that has available purity data/Kurt can vouch for, and just go with it for a while. If you're planning on stocking up for the long term just grab a few different ones. There really is no BAD way to go so long as you do that, they all work.
For me the above translates into sticking with:
MFS, WLI/WLR, ECX, maybe XTR/VZ (no data, but people I trust), and newly discussed, NicVape
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Yes, this is the case...with a couple of footnotes. It seemed that Cyrus Vap's thrust was towards neutrality or pureness. Based on that, I displayed 'pepper taste' to be away from that...my interpretation, but I don't think out of context. Pepper taste, while not necessarily undesirable, seems 'less pure' to me. The opposite was the case for Throat Hit. The prices were from my own research and today they are more appealing.
What authority?
LOL let er rip!
Given that 'my chart is a graphical representation of your descriptions,' there would need to be an alteration, addition or similar of your descriptions to warrant a change. While there may be instances of solitary comment or more subsequent to that chart, I doubt I'll dig through the whole thread and attempt to fold that into the chart.
If a textual digest of subsequent findings that expands or refines the topic becomes available, I'll get on it! ...as long as aspects of the original aren't left dangling. I.e., if new nicotine bases are added or existing ones are changed, they need to be qualified on the same evaluation criteria, though new evaluation criteria could be added...across the board.
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I bought RTS because I thought I remembered a thread like this (or this one) saying it was a clean taste suitable for fruits with little to no throat hit. Which I did see here.
What I didn't recall was the personal issues with RTS mentioned. That made me question whether any taste test done knowing who's nic is being vaped can be trusted to not simply be anti/pro bias even if subconsciously. The only way to rule that out is blind taste tests.
The chart may only be a graphical representation but it removes the commentary. I thought it was more than just your reviews which averages it out to be like a blind taste test if it is.
The added commentary is what really throws things like this to influence the reader. "_____ flavor note" becomes "OMG! This tastes like ...." I've had reviews sway me when looking back I really should've been paying attention to the less dramatic ones.
For the record, RTS 18mg VG unflavored, distilled water. I get no flavor (possibly minimal flavor but it tastes more like new coil/wick shining through the lack of flavor). It was a bit tinted in the 100mg bottle, clear as can be at 18mg in a Vivi Nova. No throat hit.
I'm not sure what people mean by pepper. I get something on my tongue but I'm identifying it as sweet (from the VG?). I used to go through a pint of habanero sauce a week so I may not be one to make a call on pepper notes.
Normally I'm not a fan of throat hit but unflavored this is like vaping 0mg but with a nicotine head feel.
Whether I have any long term issues with the nic is tough to say but it's not a wrong feeling like I've had with NRT or some liquids in '09. I think my build up issues were with PG and nicotine issues were quicker to notice so I doubt if anything changes.
What I didn't recall was the personal issues with RTS mentioned. That made me question whether any taste test done knowing who's nic is being vaped can be trusted to not simply be anti/pro bias even if subconsciously. The only way to rule that out is blind taste tests.
The chart may only be a graphical representation but it removes the commentary. I thought it was more than just your reviews which averages it out to be like a blind taste test if it is.
The added commentary is what really throws things like this to influence the reader. "_____ flavor note" becomes "OMG! This tastes like ...." I've had reviews sway me when looking back I really should've been paying attention to the less dramatic ones.
For the record, RTS 18mg VG unflavored, distilled water. I get no flavor (possibly minimal flavor but it tastes more like new coil/wick shining through the lack of flavor). It was a bit tinted in the 100mg bottle, clear as can be at 18mg in a Vivi Nova. No throat hit.
I'm not sure what people mean by pepper. I get something on my tongue but I'm identifying it as sweet (from the VG?). I used to go through a pint of habanero sauce a week so I may not be one to make a call on pepper notes.
Normally I'm not a fan of throat hit but unflavored this is like vaping 0mg but with a nicotine head feel.
Whether I have any long term issues with the nic is tough to say but it's not a wrong feeling like I've had with NRT or some liquids in '09. I think my build up issues were with PG and nicotine issues were quicker to notice so I doubt if anything changes.
Wow first time seeing this thread and it went all over the question liquid nicotine. For sure most of what we vape is going to be based on our own individual tastes and preferences. I started making my own about 8 months ago and got my nic from WL based on reviews of said vendor and price point at first but afterwards because of the total experience in buying from them. Quality product,packaging and customer service. I haven't tried any other vendor mentioned so can't comment on them.
I noticed early in the thread some people questioning methods of review ect.... What some just don't get is that a review when done is someones personal opinion not expert opinion. Those that choose to get all crazy upset about a particular review well I don't know whether to laugh about it or feel sad for them. I mean really? It's a liquid that we heat and inhale for nicotine that we became addicted while smoking tobacco its not the end of the world if someone doesn't like your favorite e liquid vendor. I say just be happy we have choices still and can go to whom we choose for our nic fix.
I noticed early in the thread some people questioning methods of review ect.... What some just don't get is that a review when done is someones personal opinion not expert opinion. Those that choose to get all crazy upset about a particular review well I don't know whether to laugh about it or feel sad for them. I mean really? It's a liquid that we heat and inhale for nicotine that we became addicted while smoking tobacco its not the end of the world if someone doesn't like your favorite e liquid vendor. I say just be happy we have choices still and can go to whom we choose for our nic fix.
I started reading this thread from the beginning when I decided to DIY.
I first tried Wizard Labs nic based on reviews.
I wanted more but used RTS also based on reviews when WL was out.
I've ordered both a number of times and haven't received either with discoloration or any odd flavor.
WL nic at 67/33 20.5mg unflavored was actually pretty interesting to vape and not unpleasant.
I'd recommend either and use both myself.
I add blue and/or amber bottles to get to the free shipping point ($65 or $75)
RTS using "first order" discount code gets 20% off nic/pg/vg and brings the price down to WL level
I'm not sure if the "first order" at RTS is correct but ask and someone'll tell you
WL is OOS on 100, 60 & 48 right now BTW
I first tried Wizard Labs nic based on reviews.
I wanted more but used RTS also based on reviews when WL was out.
I've ordered both a number of times and haven't received either with discoloration or any odd flavor.
WL nic at 67/33 20.5mg unflavored was actually pretty interesting to vape and not unpleasant.
I'd recommend either and use both myself.
I add blue and/or amber bottles to get to the free shipping point ($65 or $75)
RTS using "first order" discount code gets 20% off nic/pg/vg and brings the price down to WL level
I'm not sure if the "first order" at RTS is correct but ask and someone'll tell you
WL is OOS on 100, 60 & 48 right now BTW
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I recently ordered a liter of 100mg/ml liquid nic in all-VG from RTS. Coupon code "first order" for 20% off, and that order qualified for free shipping to boot. Good deal. I would have preferred 50/50 PG/VG, but that option wasn't offered. Oh well, after my wallet recovers in a month or two, I'll order two 500ml bottles of 100mg/ml from WizardLabs in all-PG. Since I won't need any of this new nic for at least a year or more, I'll divvy up both liters into smaller blue/amber glass bottles and freeze them.
When I checked a moment ago, WL was back in stock for 100mg/ml nic, at least for the time being.
Jake over @ Nude Nicotine has listened to our feedback on prices and sizes of Nic he's offering, and made some changes this week!
Check it out here for anyone interested, I'm going to be trying some as soon as I can now that we can purchase smaller bottles!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lidated-eliquid-bulk-100mg-ml-nicotine-4.html
Check it out here for anyone interested, I'm going to be trying some as soon as I can now that we can purchase smaller bottles!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lidated-eliquid-bulk-100mg-ml-nicotine-4.html
Yeah, let us know. What do you have now to compare it to now?
It's going to have to be awesome for me to pay 2 1/2 the price of Wizards for my custom mix. (12mg-70/30-500ml)
I was going to mention in his thread that it's expensive, but it's up to him to check things out and do his price point.
I have WL Regular and ICE to compare to, hopefully I'll get in an order from Nude this week or next and I'll update with my thoughts once I've tried it out.
2 1/2 times the price of WL? Wiz is $56 for 500ml of 100mg/ml and Nude is $60 for 500ml of 100mg/ml, that's very competitive pricing I'd say
2 1/2 times the price of WL? Wiz is $56 for 500ml of 100mg/ml and Nude is $60 for 500ml of 100mg/ml, that's very competitive pricing I'd say
Ohh ya, sorry I missed the 12mg you mentioned! The lower the amount Nicotine you buy the more is costs 
Cost is very similar at 100mg/ml
Cost is very similar at 100mg/ml
This nude nicotine sounds sexy guys 
Want to hear more about that one for sure.
Want to hear more about that one for sure.
I have the Nude nic. Just took a big whiff, and has that classic cactus aroma to it. Not as strong as some of the competition. But it's there. I'll be trying unflavored for Mr. OP first.
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