Nicotine Comparisons

[nostradadus]

What was your opinion of this nic, btw?

to me it's very clean stuff... It's tripple-purified after distillation so should be clean, but still of course there could be batch-variations...

I found NicSelect to be top notch. My titration tests (x2, for accuracy) on the nicotine came out +/- (a point or two off) of 100mg/ml.

Vaped solo at a high percentage in the mix, 16 to 24mg, I could taste a slight tobacco note and there was some throat hit. But, between 3 to 12mg there was no real perception of tobacco in the mix and the throat hit was rather smooth.

The most interesting thing was the fact that I've kept a half full bottle of NicSelect in a 30ml clear dropper bottle at room temp for a couple of months now. In comparison to VT premium nicotine stored in the same fashion, the NicSelect has barely a twinge of color change (browning/oxidation) from it's original slight pink/clear, where as, the VT premium nicotine has changed to a deep copper/brown, super oxidized looking color.

So, if someone with Nic knowledge can explain that scenario, that'd be cool.

And thanks for making me read over my original post again..... Schrier sent me 50ml of Nic not 100ml....so if anyone is going direct with Alchem, don't get your hopes up too high on the quantity you'll receive for free.

I also received some, B2B sold, tobacco absolute at the same time. Nothing huge to tell there..... It is your typical TA which you might receive from any number of vendors.

 

[Rickb119]

I have never purchased RTS so no comment here on that. I have purchased both throat hit and premium Vapor tek and on ly difference is throat hit has a slightly tobacco flavor and scent to it, where as premium is very undetectible in my flavored juices. Trust me when nic is unavailable in the future youll be happy with the throat hi. However if you can afford the premium, go for it, either way youll b e glad you did and probably very thankful to this forum for the advice. I know I am, thanks guys.

I have both, but mostly TH.

I figure I'll save the premium for when I'm in my 90's, need just enough nicotine to provide cognitive benefits (so I can remember who I am, I hope ) but not enough to make me cough (and send me into cardiac arrest ).

 

[mhertz]

I found NicSelect to be top notch. My titration tests (x2, for accuracy) on the nicotine came out +/- (a point or two off) of 100mg/ml.

Vaped solo at a high percentage in the mix, 16 to 24mg, I could taste a slight tobacco note and there was some throat hit. But, between 3 to 12mg there was no real perception of tobacco in the mix and the throat hit was rather smooth.

The most interesting thing was the fact that I've kept a half full bottle of NicSelect in a 30ml clear dropper bottle at room temp for a couple of months now. In comparison to VT premium nicotine stored in the same fashion, the NicSelect has barely a twinge of color change (browning/oxidation) from it's original slight pink/clear, where as, the VT premium nicotine has changed to a deep copper/brown, super oxidized looking color.

So, if someone with Nic knowledge can explain that scenario, that'd be cool.

And thanks for making me read over my original post again..... Schrier sent me 50ml of Nic not 100ml....so if anyone is going direct with Alchem, don't get your hopes up too high on the quantity you'll receive for free.

I also received some, B2B sold, tobacco absolute at the same time. Nothing huge to tell there..... It is your typical TA which you might receive from any number of vendors.

Thanks man, I much appreciate your thoughts

I have same experience as you exactly, except I didn't go as high in mg, so cant compare over 10mg(as lunghitting at 131 watts on fresh cells according to my voltage-drop test). I found the TH very smooth too and also that the nic hold up extremely good in warm room temp too, and barely change tinge in months(I have some from a year ago in room temp which is the same and which just was in clear plastic)

The only guess I will come up with personally, is that VT adds 5% water in VG blends and alchem never adds water in there VG blends, although Kurt recently stated that water wasen't as bad as we once thought, based on his new calculations. Other than that, then Kurt states he suspects impurities makes a nic turn faster, and I believe nicselect atleast has no one beaten them in that department with total sum of all impurities under detection limit of 0.05. VT won't say specifically in there COA and just states under 0.3 as per EP spec(USP is 0.5 max). NN's latest(but old) COA under 0.09 so close to alchem. After alchem makes a dilution they titrate it and it's always very slightly over the intended, or spot on, but never under, from the COAs i've seen of diluted product...

Btw, unrelated, but of 4 batches, 3 where crystal clear and one where very slightly pinkish hue, but still clear...

Unfortunetly I don't know any vendors in the US which uses alchem's own dilutions and just rebottle(though i'm sure they are there too), only in UK, where they are 72mg, but I know alchem makes 10% dilutions also for the US market, like the bottle you recieved... Of course if the vendor stores the product badly or somehow ....s up the rebottling also, then it's not gonna help either, well, except for not getting any water added atleast.... I just love to look at the back of my bottle when I get a new one, and then go to my suppliers site and match the bottles batch/lot number to the correct COA listed and then I can see exactly how many mg in my bottle down to 2 decimals(points after comma) and 0.0x water amount and density etc + when made... That's freakin' nice in my book...

Thanks again mate.

 

[schatz]

I have both, but mostly TH.

I figure I'll save the premium for when I'm in my 90's, need just enough nicotine to provide cognitive benefits (so I can remember who I am, I hope ) but not enough to make me cough (and send me into cardiac arrest ).

I just found my newer MFS nic and made 50/50 at my normal 10mg. PUT it through .5 ohm prebuilt STM RBA at 12 wats and is tasting very smooth and really liking this. May save the rest of my VT premium and go with this. Very clear and similiar tobacco scent from the 100mg bottle as the VT although my scent and tastes arent what they used to be, but its good enough for my tastes. thumbs up for the newer MFS, and when I locate my older stash I will post my experiences.

 

[Rickb119]

I just found my newer MFS nic and made 50/50 at my normal 10mg. PUT it through .5 ohm prebuilt STM RBA at 12 wats and is tasting very smooth and really liking this. May save the rest of my VT premium and go with this. Very clear and similiar tobacco scent from the 100mg bottle as the VT although my scent and tastes arent what they used to be, but its good enough for my tastes. thumbs up for the newer MFS, and when I locate my older stash I will post my experiences.

I switched to VT because the other 2 brands that I tried made me cough, and the VT doesn't. Kind of a dry throat cough and yes, I was drinking plenty of water.

I won't mention the names because they are both well know/liked brands and I don't really know why they effected me like that. I could break them out and try again (it's been over 2 years) but since I have enough VT, I have no desire.

I thought about using them for insecticides, until the FDA deeming popped it's ugly head up. I figure that I'll eventually run into a desperate vaper that would be more that happy to take them off of my hands. For free of course as I have no wish to run afoul of the law. I got popped for joy riding when I was 15 and that ended my life of crime. But then, there's nothing in the law that states that they couldn't "somehow" return the favor.

 

[schatz]

I switched to VT because the other 2 brands that I tried made me cough, and the VT doesn't. Kind of a dry throat cough and yes, I was drinking plenty of water.

I won't mention the names because they are both well know/liked brands and I don't really know why they effected me like that. I could break them out and try again (it's been over 2 years) but since I have enough VT, I have no desire.

I thought about using them for insecticides, until the FDA deeming popped it's ugly head up. I figure that I'll eventually run into a desperate vaper that would be more that happy to take them off of my hands. For free of course as I have no wish to run afoul of the law. I got popped for joy riding when I was 15 and that ended my life of crime. But then, there's nothing in the law that states that they couldn't "somehow" return the favor.

Thats funny you mentioned the joyriding experience I had same experience. I havent had a coughing experience with any nic I have tried the only negative I have had was when Mfs tasted like rubber back in the day. Now that being said I have 4 liters of NN in the V1 armour and havent tasted it yet because of the way its prebottled for longevity, that wasnt the brand you speak of was it? Hope not however thay could have put dog piss in them and I would not know till I tried them, they are in amber and cannot even see color without opening and pouring into something clear. Might have to do that soon, at least to one of the bottles stashed.

 

[Fozzy71]

I just found my newer MFS nic and made 50/50 at my normal 10mg. PUT it through .5 ohm prebuilt STM RBA at 12 wats and is tasting very smooth and really liking this. May save the rest of my VT premium and go with this. Very clear and similiar tobacco scent from the 100mg bottle as the VT although my scent and tastes arent what they used to be, but its good enough for my tastes. thumbs up for the newer MFS, and when I locate my older stash I will post my experiences.

good to hear, just ordered a liter of this I plan on breaking down to 120ml glass with argon and using first while I leave the rts ready to freeze and NN armor I bought for later down the road.

 

[Fozzy71]

Thats funny you mentioned the joyriding experience I had same experience. I havent had a coughing experience with any nic I have tried the only negative I have had was when Mfs tasted like rubber back in the day. Now that being said I have 4 liters of NN in the V1 armour and havent tasted it yet because of the way its prebottled for longevity, that wasnt the brand you speak of was it? Hope not however thay could have put dog piss in them and I would not know till I tried them, they are in amber and cannot even see color without opening and pouring into something clear. Might have to do that soon, at least to one of the bottles stashed.

One of my NN Armor v1 x 125ml bottles had a cross threaded cap (leaked a few ml into the vacuum sealed bag) so I had to rebottle it and I am using some of that in my first diy blends. I have never tried unflavored but mixed some up at my 3mg (mostly to use to dilute some house line juice I have that I found too sweet, and was causing me chest tightness at 80%VG) and dripped it on some fresh cotton and was pleasantly surprised with the taste. Very smooth in my uneducated, inexperienced opinion.

 

[schatz]

good to hear, just ordered a liter of this I plan on breaking down to 120ml glass with argon and using first while I leave the rts ready to freeze and NN armor I bought for later down the road.

I liked the MFS I have never had RTS to compare it to however so cant say if you will like it or not. I just bottled mine in 240s and topped them in abox with Co2 sprayed in it from one of my welding cylinders, hope this works. I didnt feel like breaking out my argon blend cylinder as it is hooked up to my Miller right now.

 

[schatz]

One of my NN Armor v1 x 125ml bottles had a cross threaded cap (leaked a few ml into the vacuum sealed bag) so I had to rebottle it and I am using some of that in my first diy blends. I have never tried unflavored but mixed some up at my 3mg (mostly to use to dilute some house line juice I have that I found too sweet, and was causing me chest tightness at 80%VG) and dripped it on some fresh cotton and was pleasantly surprised with the taste. Very smooth in my uneducated, inexperienced opinion.

That is good enough for me, my tastes are pretty rough after 30 years of smoking, at least there wasnt dog piss in it.

 

[Mactavish]

I ordered from NN, but added a small bottle to the order, from the same batch as they put a sticker on their bottles. So if you are placing an order with a new company, just add a small bottle to your order so you don't have to open the larger sealed ones. After that you just have to have FAITH!

 

[SLM]

I guess I've narrowed it down to NicSelect at Nicotine River then the Throat Hit stuff then MFS. All are in my budget for 6L. In that order? Sound about right?

Thanks!

 

[herb]

Seeing a lot of questions around the web about nicotine & most say no worries , will still be available in future so why the mass stocking of nic ? Is that completely inaccurate info which it very well could be.

 

[Mactavish]

Seeing a lot of questions around the web about nicotine & most say no worries , will still be available in future so why the mass stocking of nic ? Is that completely inaccurate info which it very well could be.

If there banning things that are not even tobacco related, one can ASSUME nicotine will be as well. If it's not, you have a nice supply. If it is and you believed the web, then you be looking at an expensive black market. Simple logic.

 

[mhertz]

I guess I've narrowed it down to NicSelect at Nicotine River then the Throat Hit stuff then MFS. All are in my budget for 6L. In that order? Sound about right?

Thanks!

There are so many opinions unfortunately so a general consensus isn't achievable.

Nicselect(nicotine-river): Some say it's very clean and great, just as many, or maybe more says it's ok for the price, a few that it has too much taste... I feel for some reason most bad reports are from ECX, but probably coincidence...

VT-TH: Across the board good reports; most compare it to original with just maybe the slightest difference and very few pick up actual bigger differences.

MFS: Varies between very harsh reportedly or good fine nic by others, so very hard to judge...

Soo... It is really a great idea to order smallest bottle from each and sample so you know first hand what the state is before thinking about stocking up with it imho...

 

[schatz]

Seeing a lot of questions around the web about nicotine & most say no worries , will still be available in future so why the mass stocking of nic ? Is that completely inaccurate info which it very well could be.

I personally found the diy nicotine better than ryo tobacco in price comparison. That is why I first got interested in ecigs, back in 2005 a friend turned me on to ryo and found I could save 1/2 on my tobacco dollars. By 2012 the government where I live figured out they were losing alot of $ from people figuring this out. So they stopped online tobacco purchases and even went back on consumers purchases for back taxes and the price of ryo purchased at a brick and mortar was 3 times the price. This made buying of ready made cigarettes about same price.So along comes ecigs with dyi nic for sale and no internet restrictions or special tax and its a no brainer after it is all figured out. I just dont think they will let this fly much longer and especially in my state I see the writing on the wall. I didnt see it coming last time, but my eyes are open somewhat now and am not going to be paying for the state budget shortcomings any more. So yes, depending on where you live.

 

[Glinda]

to save me from reading this whole thread, mind telling me which nic you settled on?

Not a problem, in fact I'm glad to help you avoid that, if possible. I read all posts myself, and although it was very helpful, it was indeed time consuming.

I went with Nude Nicotine's Nude Armor v2.0 in 100% VG base (PG & I do not get along). What sold me on Nude Armor v2.0 were the rave reviews here at ECF, and also it's packaging. Regarding the latter thing, I was tempted by the V3 but liked what I read about the v2 cap seals. The addition of ascorbic acid in the V3 sounded like good insurance towards product purity and it's longevity, but that v2 seal kept calling me back. That's why I chose that over the v3.

I bought two bottles of 250ml 100mg, four bottles of 120ml 100mg, and one 120ml bottle of 6mg to get a feel for mixing- a "dress rehearsal" of sorts- since I've never DIY'd before.
I currently vape 3mg so the bottle of 6mg will be cut w/ VG and flavoring to become a 3mg e-liquid when it's all said and done.

As for breaking down the larger bottles (currently wrapped and stored as I received them in my freezer), I will be breaking one of the 250ml bottles into smaller Euro glass amber bottles with dropper caps soon as I place an order for them, and leave the rest as they are until I need them.

On a related note: I've noticed that chain vaping in the evening (while reading or on a Netflix binge, etc.) impairs my ability to fall asleep, so I've recently begun vaping 0mg around 9pm, and that's really made a difference in the quality of my sleep. Why I bother mentioning that is, the almost liter's worth of 100mg I've purchased will last me about 20 years if I continue to vape about 5ml of e-liquid a day.

I hope this helps!

 

[Fozzy71]

....
On a related note: I've noticed that chain vaping in the evening (while reading or on a Netflix binge, etc.) impairs my ability to fall asleep, so I've recently begun vaping 0mg around 9pm, and that's really made a difference in the quality of my sleep. Why I bother mentioning that is, the almost liter's worth of 100mg I've purchased will last me about 20 years if I continue to vape about 5ml of e-liquid a day.

I hope this helps!

Great idea. I need to give this a try and setup one mod for evening vaping at 0mg.

 

[herb]

If there banning things that are not even tobacco related, one can ASSUME nicotine will be as well. If it's not, you have a nice supply. If it is and you believed the web, then you be looking at an expensive black market. Simple logic.

Two hundred & thirteen pages & it's still a guessing game . Thank God i didn't follow this from the beginning because i would of freaked out for sure .

Similar to basketball game with one minute to go , tied 98/98.

 

[aikanae1]

Seeing a lot of questions around the web about nicotine & most say no worries , will still be available in future so why the mass stocking of nic ? Is that completely inaccurate info which it very well could be.

If the FDA is against open tank systems you can be sure diy nic will be targeted. They have always claimed "nicotine is a drug".

The biggest change 8/8 will be shipping regs and proof of ID. That will easily double shipping costs. The way the regs are written, there's more than one way to interpret them = a lot of confusion about compliance. Sometimes it seems like it's an intentional catch 22. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

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