Nicotine Comparisons
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Absolutely. I've had only one nic base that tasted nasty, when it oxidized. That was RTS.
I've got nicotine base (PG) sitting in my freezer. Two hard, clear plastic bottles. They've been there a couple of months and I expect them to be there for some time.
What can I expect for the long term?
What can I expect for the long term?
From information I have read by knowlegeable people on this forum a yellowish/orangish color alone is not an indication of the purity of the nic liquid. It just means that some of the nic has oxidized.
Also there are additives that can be mixed with the nic liquid to make it clear, which could actually make it less pure the clearer it is I guess.
I could care less about making something look more clear or purer. All I know is if I have a choice of yellow nic juice or clear nic juice, I will choose clear. I trust my supplier who tests all his liquid and who says his nic is 101% pure, tested by titration. (yes, that is possible)
I'm not trying to put any supplier down, just trusting mine and I do NOT like taste in a nic juice.
I'm not trying to put any supplier down, just trusting mine and I do NOT like taste in a nic juice.
I'm with you buddy, I can always taste something. Nic has a taste and a smell, if it doesn't something is wrong. As you point out its just a matter of more or less. I do have a focus in a bit more to pick it up with Ice, but its there. For most vapers this equates to "flavorless" as once you add flavors it pretty much goes into hiding, unless you focus on it...but most don't.
I do find the more peppery nics more satisfying, not just a taste preference for unflavored; I do use snus, and I find the flavor and experience to remind me of that. I never chalked it up to the WLR/MFS being more WTA like in fact, but who knows
And I was under the impression that yellowing = nic oxides as well. I *think* it may be the case that residual tobacco stuffs in the nic can also add to this.
But its worth nothing that I've seen nics that are quite pure from the point of view of GC-MS yellow on me. Which leads me to believe that for our purposes we can consider yellowing to be a sign of oxidation and nothing more.
Nics having more or less 'nic flavor' maybe a sign of purity difference, but I could also see it being a side effect of how they are extracted chemically. In fact the latter point is something I recall John telling me on the phone when we chatted about Ice back in the day.
But its worth nothing that I've seen nics that are quite pure from the point of view of GC-MS yellow on me. Which leads me to believe that for our purposes we can consider yellowing to be a sign of oxidation and nothing more.
Nics having more or less 'nic flavor' maybe a sign of purity difference, but I could also see it being a side effect of how they are extracted chemically. In fact the latter point is something I recall John telling me on the phone when we chatted about Ice back in the day.
Cool you're not worried about leaching that plastic over time? Is it 100mg?
Thank you for the comparisons. The information you provided is a great value to me. I look forward to more comparisons at your convenience.
Ok - Final (possibly) update to my WL vs MFS nic experience. I vaped MFS nic all day yesterday - around 6 mls @ 12mg - went to bed feeling fine but woke up this am with swollen lips - feel just like they do after the dentist uses novacaine on me.
So - here is my timeline with this issue - I will try to keep it brief:
Started vaping with store bought juice - a few randoms and a big bottle of Bobas Bounty
About a month later:
Decided to get into DIY by purchasing MFS nic in 100% PG - my DIY juices were probably around 50/50 PG/VG.
None of my DIY Juices tasted very good to me - but I kept at it - about a week later I had really bad swollen lips and a sore throat. I decided it must be the PG . .switched back to Bobas and all my issues went away. Ordered some Nic in 100% VG from WL
About a week after that:
Finished the Bobas, started making the same recipes as before but with the WL nic. All my recipes tasted so much better - I thought I was just getting better at DIY. Vaped on these for several weeks with no issues - sometimes as much as 8ml per day. Decided it must have been the PG that was causing my swollen lips.
About a month after that:
To stock the freezer, I ordered 500ml bottle of nic in 100%VG from MFS. Mixed up a batch and tried it - tasted really bad compared to the WL nic version. Throat hit was super strong ,too. I vaped it all day, though, and woke up the next morning with the same swollen lips I was experiencing on my first go around with DIY.
So - I have prettty much come to the following conclusions:
1. MFS nic is inferior to WL nic in taste. MFS nic has a strong taste that penetrates recipes and just tastes nasty compared to WL nic
2. MFS nic contains *something* that WL nic doesn't and whatever it is gives me swollen lips and a sore throat. I know most people don't experience this otherwise I would've read about it before.
So now I have a 500ml bottle of nic that I can't really use. Hopefully I can trade it or use it to make juice for friends or something. I'm going to make some juice for my bro with the MFS nic and we'll see if he has any issues with swollen lips or anything like that.
In summary - very disapointed with MFS nic. WL is the only nic I'll be ordering from now on.
So - here is my timeline with this issue - I will try to keep it brief:
Started vaping with store bought juice - a few randoms and a big bottle of Bobas Bounty
About a month later:
Decided to get into DIY by purchasing MFS nic in 100% PG - my DIY juices were probably around 50/50 PG/VG.
None of my DIY Juices tasted very good to me - but I kept at it - about a week later I had really bad swollen lips and a sore throat. I decided it must be the PG . .switched back to Bobas and all my issues went away. Ordered some Nic in 100% VG from WL
About a week after that:
Finished the Bobas, started making the same recipes as before but with the WL nic. All my recipes tasted so much better - I thought I was just getting better at DIY. Vaped on these for several weeks with no issues - sometimes as much as 8ml per day. Decided it must have been the PG that was causing my swollen lips.
About a month after that:
To stock the freezer, I ordered 500ml bottle of nic in 100%VG from MFS. Mixed up a batch and tried it - tasted really bad compared to the WL nic version. Throat hit was super strong ,too. I vaped it all day, though, and woke up the next morning with the same swollen lips I was experiencing on my first go around with DIY.
So - I have prettty much come to the following conclusions:
1. MFS nic is inferior to WL nic in taste. MFS nic has a strong taste that penetrates recipes and just tastes nasty compared to WL nic
2. MFS nic contains *something* that WL nic doesn't and whatever it is gives me swollen lips and a sore throat. I know most people don't experience this otherwise I would've read about it before.
So now I have a 500ml bottle of nic that I can't really use. Hopefully I can trade it or use it to make juice for friends or something. I'm going to make some juice for my bro with the MFS nic and we'll see if he has any issues with swollen lips or anything like that.
In summary - very disapointed with MFS nic. WL is the only nic I'll be ordering from now on.
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sorry about your troubles
seems you maybe one of the unlucky few that has a bona fide immunologic response (e.g. allergy) to PG. I'm assuming of course that you used the same flavors in your VG and PG nics, and the flavors are not an issue. Shocked that you find the MFS and WLR to be substantially different. Did you try them side by side unflavored?
It could be the pg in the flavors as well.sorry about your troubles
Shocked that you find the MFS and WLR to be substantially different. Did you try them side by side unflavored?
sorry about your troubles
Shocked that you find the MFS and WLR to be substantially different. Did you try them side by side unflavored?
At first I did think it was PG . .but now I think it's something in MFS nic that is causing my issues. WHen I vaped:
*Random juices at unknown PG/VG (from Kick Bass Vapor, Joyetech, DeKang, etc) - no problems.
*DIY blends using MFS in 100%PG and Humco VG - mix around 50/50 - swollen lips and sore throat
*DIY blends using WL nic in 100%VG - flavors have PG . .so final mix probably around 10% PG - no problems
*DIY blends using MFS nic in 100%VG - same flavors - final mix around 10% PG - swollen lips and sore throat.
So - if I take this all the way through - I should indeed do an unflavored comparison between WL and MFS. I should probably also make a WL mix and add some PG to see what that does.
I don't know if I'll go through all that, though . .I'll probably just use WL nic and be done with it.
The 100mg base is in the same containers which it was in when I received it.
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