I've looked at a number of DIY supply sites and see several different concentrations of the nicotine liquid. Why would one use say a 100% liquid VS. a 36 or 18?
Nicotine for DIY why get different Percentages?
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having higher concentrations allows you to store less liquid and allows you greater flexibility in your mixing. Some people mix flavors up to 20% if you had 24 mg nic and mixed in 20% flavor and 5% water for example then you would be under a possible target of 18mg nic. Short answer flexability
True. Just to add...
Some people like using juice doublers and prefer 24mg strength so they buy 48mg and mix with the juice 1:1
Others like to buy very strong nicotine like 100mg/ml and add it to their favorite juices to make them stronger than the highest strength offered by that vendor without diluting the flavour as much as you would if you added a lower strength nic.
Some people like using juice doublers and prefer 24mg strength so they buy 48mg and mix with the juice 1:1
Others like to buy very strong nicotine like 100mg/ml and add it to their favorite juices to make them stronger than the highest strength offered by that vendor without diluting the flavour as much as you would if you added a lower strength nic.
Hi & Welcome! Not to quibble, but I'm presuming what you're referring to as "100%" is actually 10% nic, and so on (these numbers can get confusing). There are pros & cons to using different strengths; the pros of using higher strengths are mentioned in a couple of previous posts. Personally I've been using 3.6% mostly because I'm more comfortable handling it. I'm still pretty new at all this and though I'm slow & meticulous by nature and take great care with such things, I see this as a pretty simple safety precaution. My next nic order may very well increase in potency as, by then, I may be more comfortable with the risk factor, but for the time being nothing I mix requires anything higher than 3.6% anyway so that's okay for now. We have to remember: this stuff is poison, and it absorbs through the skin. The higher the concentration, the more rapidly it absorbs, so this isn't like handling laundry detergent, this stuff don't play around.
Just a thought from my cave. Happy (& safe) Vaping!
You can make more juice out of 100mg versus the same sized bottle of 36mg. However, when handling 100mg juice, be very careful and use common sense.
Yes. High potency in a small bottle is also useful when trying to save on shipping and sneak as much past customs as you can in one go.
Don't know Aus rules, but it is legal to import a 3 month supply of nic base into NZ. I usually buy 100mg (10%) due to shipping costs and two 120ml bottles fit perfectly into a USPS box. Also works out conveniently at 10ml per day at 36mg over three months (customs covered). The fact that I may have ordered my three months supply a few times over in the last three months is a different issue altogether, but I don't resell and I store in the freezer for the inevitable clamp down in the future. Should have enough for about a year or so.
Hi & Welcome! Not to quibble, but I'm presuming what you're referring to as "100%" is actually 10% nic, and so on (these numbers can get confusing). There are pros & cons to using different strengths; the pros of using higher strengths are mentioned in a couple of previous posts. Personally I've been using 3.6% mostly because I'm more comfortable handling it. I'm still pretty new at all this and though I'm slow & meticulous by nature and take great care with such things, I see this as a pretty simple safety precaution. My next nic order may very well increase in potency as, by then, I may be more comfortable with the risk factor, but for the time being nothing I mix requires anything higher than 3.6% anyway so that's okay for now. We have to remember: this stuff is poison, and it absorbs through the skin. The higher the concentration, the more rapidly it absorbs, so this isn't like handling laundry detergent, this stuff don't play around.
Just a thought from my cave. Happy (& safe) Vaping!
Just a note on handling eliquid. This is just my personal experience, but I use 100mg all the time to mix with and I don't use gloves. I get it on my hands frequently an I even spilled about 5ml of it on myself once and all I got was a light buzz. If you're more comfortable, however there is nothing wrong with being cautious. I just wanted to report that getting that strength on you isn't going to cause a heart attack or anything.
Although, I used to work in an ecig retail shop and had liquid on my hands all day so maybe I've built up a tolerance..who knows lol.
Australia's rules on importation are the same as New Zealand's.
Max 3 months supply at any one time and no more than 15 months supply in any 12 month period all based on the manufacturers maximum recommended dose.
Nicotine is lumped into a category with other pharmaceuticals so even though there's no recommended dose for nicotine, them's the rules.
I've stockpiled a little too. Not gonna let little things like laws spoil my party.
Max 3 months supply at any one time and no more than 15 months supply in any 12 month period all based on the manufacturers maximum recommended dose.
Nicotine is lumped into a category with other pharmaceuticals so even though there's no recommended dose for nicotine, them's the rules.
I've stockpiled a little too. Not gonna let little things like laws spoil my party.
I do it to keep it easy and to keep the math easy. If I get 48 pg base for example, and I want 50/50 I just have to add 1/2 vg if my target is 24 mg*.
*It won't be 24mg with flavoring added, but that's an example.
I mix up a big batch of base when it comes in then I just have to add flavoring.
Also, if you're new to DIY, less chance of mistakes.
*It won't be 24mg with flavoring added, but that's an example.
I mix up a big batch of base when it comes in then I just have to add flavoring.
Also, if you're new to DIY, less chance of mistakes.
It can help for convenience. My all-day I mix 60ml at a time, so with 60 mg/ml nic base it is 1 ml per desired final mg. Not all that tough to work with other strengths, it's a one-time calculation for how many ml of a given mg/ml nic base.
Anyhow, if you're interested in this topic, check out DIY E-Liquid for lots of information.
Anyhow, if you're interested in this topic, check out DIY E-Liquid for lots of information.
Hi & Welcome! Not to quibble, but I'm presuming what you're referring to as "100%" is actually 10% nic, and so on (these numbers can get confusing). There are pros & cons to using different strengths; the pros of using higher strengths are mentioned in a couple of previous posts. Personally I've been using 3.6% mostly because I'm more comfortable handling it. I'm still pretty new at all this and though I'm slow & meticulous by nature and take great care with such things, I see this as a pretty simple safety precaution. My next nic order may very well increase in potency as, by then, I may be more comfortable with the risk factor, but for the time being nothing I mix requires anything higher than 3.6% anyway so that's okay for now. We have to remember: this stuff is poison, and it absorbs through the skin. The higher the concentration, the more rapidly it absorbs, so this isn't like handling laundry detergent, this stuff don't play around.
Just a thought from my cave. Happy (& safe) Vaping!
Thanks for the clarification. I guess that means that 100mg/ml is 10%, 36 is 3.6 etc. I should have remembered this all from science class. IE 1 ml of water is 1 cubic centimeter and weighs 1 gram. so 100 ml is 1/10 of a gram which means it is 10%. Duh!
Just to add one safety note that is sometimes overlooked... though the "user" may be adjusted, and therefor may not have an extreme reaction to a small spill, I worry most about drips and drops that may be overlooked. These, if not noticed and cleaned up appropriately, can be very poisonous to non-users, children, or pets.
And before I get any grief, I work with 500mg/ml liquids but usually cut them to 60mg/ml in smaller bottles (PG, VG, and PG/VG mixes) before using. I also have to add that this level (the 500mg/ml is not to be played with by any means. My rec is for a beginner DIYer to start with a 36mg/ml until technique is mastered somewhat.
Just my
And before I get any grief, I work with 500mg/ml liquids but usually cut them to 60mg/ml in smaller bottles (PG, VG, and PG/VG mixes) before using. I also have to add that this level (the 500mg/ml is not to be played with by any means. My rec is for a beginner DIYer to start with a 36mg/ml until technique is mastered somewhat.
Just my
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DIY E-Liquid
If you do have a question, please ask here or in the DIY section. We are happy to help. We haven't lost any vaper's yet and want to keep it that way.
Well yeah... close enough for gubment work anyway. Actually since different liquids will have different weight by volume this is slightly imprecise. One of the popular vendors (shame on me for forgetting which one because this was cool!) weighed and posted a variation chart, of sorts, to show just how much difference there is. It didn't amount to anything much from my standpoint but if I mixed e-liquids to be marketed I'd want to take it into account.
Happy Vaping!
Before new members attempt any DIY, please read these posts.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-warning-e-liquid-diy-safety.html#post2314613
DIY E-Liquid
If you do have a question, please ask here or in the DIY section. We are happy to help. We haven't lost any vaper's yet and want to keep it that way.
thanx for that, that's what i am searching for.
I use 60mg PG nic liquid for three reasons. First (at least for me) it is easier to mix with. Cut it in half with VG (first step) and shake it - now it is 30mg and easy to handle, which is my second reason. Add my flavoring (PG based) which depending upon the level I need, since all are different and then add a little additional PG to get it to where I want it. I vape 18mg - 20mg depending upon the flavor and I have found this to be an easy mixing process to follow and for me safer to work with.
Secondly, the cost savings from using 60mg to using 100mg is fractional on pennies per ml - not worth going there unless you are a supplier of ejuice and are mixing 1,000s of ml a month.
Secondly, the cost savings from using 60mg to using 100mg is fractional on pennies per ml - not worth going there unless you are a supplier of ejuice and are mixing 1,000s of ml a month.
Well yeah... close enough for gubment work anyway. Actually since different liquids will have different weight by volume this is slightly imprecise. One of the popular vendors (shame on me for forgetting which one because this was cool!) weighed and posted a variation chart, of sorts, to show just how much difference there is. It didn't amount to anything much from my standpoint but if I mixed e-liquids to be marketed I'd want to take it into account.
Happy Vaping!
Yeap. Would be interesting to see the variation chart you mention but as you say, for DIY E-Liquid it would probably not make enough difference to be relevant.
BTW, I seem to be making all sorts of silly mistakes on this thread. Did I just say 100 ml is 1/10 of a gram?!?! I meant 100mg!!!
Ahh well, if we want to go there it should be mass by volume... There! I feel much better now. Misery loves company and all that.
First, I would start out low. Actually buy the base with the vg/pg blend you like at the nicotine level you vape, or close to it. Then just experiment with flavorings. Once you get better at it, increase the nic level of the base you buy (but remember, you are going to have to buy more vg & pg to mix with).
It's very very easy to make a wrong calculation, or enter numbers into the juice calculators incorrectly. Play it safe until you do a lot of reading.
It's very very easy to make a wrong calculation, or enter numbers into the juice calculators incorrectly. Play it safe until you do a lot of reading.
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