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I started with 15mg and it was way too much for me. Cut back to 10, then 5-6mg. I'm fairly happy at 5-6mg, but it can still be too much.
I am not an expert but but what l I have to say is everyone is different and EVERY drug effects everyone different as well. Nicotine is a drug period . As with any drug one person can get very sick on a small amount of a drug entering their system yet another person can be totally fine and even like how they feel. Never mind the delivery system and how it is absorbed that's a totally different topic altogether.
Now as far as my own personal experience .Not sure if the anxiety in how I feel is from a lack of nicotine as im detoxing or from using a replacement delivery system of getting nicotine. Or not getting enough nicotine. Who the hell knows . The wacked out was def the nicotine... If you think you have an idea of what I am experiencing please do share your experience I am open to learn from anyone willing to share their transition/ detox / withdrawal/ experience.
I thiough about this allot yesterday . I know my body well in how I feel . The two things I know is I DID NOT like the nicotine as with the vape experience ( not sure why)
again comments welcome
and I am going though withdrawals from cutting my nicotine drastically from reducing my analog smoking in such a short time. I am not gonna give up as of yet and that is why I have come here so if ya don't mind putting up with my personalty please do share your experience. Sorry if I sound klike im picking a fight but im frustrated confused and a confessing addict.... Please do comment and stay on topic of helping a fello brother thanks
Sorry but I though it was gona be a smoke and toke trow out those anologs and replace with a vape.
I was wrong an can relay use your help and support
thanks a buch guys
sincerely
Kenny v
Now as far as my own personal experience .Not sure if the anxiety in how I feel is from a lack of nicotine as im detoxing or from using a replacement delivery system of getting nicotine. Or not getting enough nicotine. Who the hell knows . The wacked out was def the nicotine... If you think you have an idea of what I am experiencing please do share your experience I am open to learn from anyone willing to share their transition/ detox / withdrawal/ experience.
I thiough about this allot yesterday . I know my body well in how I feel . The two things I know is I DID NOT like the nicotine as with the vape experience ( not sure why)
again comments welcome
and I am going though withdrawals from cutting my nicotine drastically from reducing my analog smoking in such a short time. I am not gonna give up as of yet and that is why I have come here so if ya don't mind putting up with my personalty please do share your experience. Sorry if I sound klike im picking a fight but im frustrated confused and a confessing addict.... Please do comment and stay on topic of helping a fello brother thanks
Sorry but I though it was gona be a smoke and toke trow out those anologs and replace with a vape.
I was wrong an can relay use your help and support
thanks a buch guys
sincerely
Kenny v
Agree with your statement. I was just making the point that it is size dependent. But throw in delivery method, the rate at which a specific person absorbs.. Everyone will be different. Studies have shown inhaling the nicotine, very very little is absorbed through the lungs because the atomized particles are approximately 10x the size of smoke particles. So we are all orally ingesting our nicotine. I like to inhale. It makes the flavor better. Blow it out your nose for the smell receptors. But I can puff my PV like a pipe and still get a head rush from the nic if I over do it.
I guess Kenny Im not sure at this point what you are asking. See the day I started vaping I didnt smoke anymore. I had an adjustment period coming off analogs to vaping. There was withdraws some what till I got my nic levels worked out, and withdraws are different for everyone. Now my body is getting used to the new reality of nic. Its a life change for sure and its work to not let the brain win over.
Im certified in smoking cessation counseling, and have worked with many people with the other things like patch, lozenses, nasel spray and so on. The one thing that ive noticed is the person has to want and be ready fight for the choice they made.
Seems to me you are not sure what you want to do. Your habit maybe telling you to hang on to analogs, the mind is very powerful when it comes to keeping one on smoking.
Personally for my self I couldnt have stayed with analogs after starting vaping. I had to mentally make the brake totally, consign my self to vaping and quiting smoking.
I dont know what your symptoms are from, wheather it be a withdraw or if your getting to much nic (I dont think that is probably the case).symptoms can be somewhat the same.
I guess you need to be honest with your self and decide what you want, you have tapered your self off smoking and now you are at the point of making a choice. But it has to solid choice and you should stick with it. There will be a few days that your body will have to adjust to no analogs no matter what. You need to commit and stand by that choice no matter what your feeling or your brain is saying.
I litterly saw analogs dancing infront of me in a day dream the first day. And like every addiction your brain is going to come up with every excuse in the book to stay smoking. If you are serious about leaving analogs and going to do it with vaping then be stubburn and dont let your addiction win, you will still get your nic from the vaping but not all those nasty chem from the analogs.
symptoms of withdraw
•An intense craving for nicotine
•Anxiety, tension, restlessness, frustration, or impatience
•Difficulty concentrating
•Drowsiness or trouble sleeping, as well as bad dreams and nightmares
•Headaches
•Increased appetite and weight gain
•Irritability or depression
this symptoms will start within 2-3 hours after your last analog. You will even have these symtoms when cutting down from what you normally smoke. This is where the vaping takes over and helps your body adjust to the new reality.
Nicotine addiction and withdrawal: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
Vaping can make the difference, e-cig can get you away from smoking. It like with any of the other products you have to see it threw and not let your brain win over.
You CAN do it!
Im certified in smoking cessation counseling, and have worked with many people with the other things like patch, lozenses, nasel spray and so on. The one thing that ive noticed is the person has to want and be ready fight for the choice they made.
Seems to me you are not sure what you want to do. Your habit maybe telling you to hang on to analogs, the mind is very powerful when it comes to keeping one on smoking.
Personally for my self I couldnt have stayed with analogs after starting vaping. I had to mentally make the brake totally, consign my self to vaping and quiting smoking.
I dont know what your symptoms are from, wheather it be a withdraw or if your getting to much nic (I dont think that is probably the case).symptoms can be somewhat the same.
I guess you need to be honest with your self and decide what you want, you have tapered your self off smoking and now you are at the point of making a choice. But it has to solid choice and you should stick with it. There will be a few days that your body will have to adjust to no analogs no matter what. You need to commit and stand by that choice no matter what your feeling or your brain is saying.
I litterly saw analogs dancing infront of me in a day dream the first day. And like every addiction your brain is going to come up with every excuse in the book to stay smoking. If you are serious about leaving analogs and going to do it with vaping then be stubburn and dont let your addiction win, you will still get your nic from the vaping but not all those nasty chem from the analogs.
symptoms of withdraw
•An intense craving for nicotine
•Anxiety, tension, restlessness, frustration, or impatience
•Difficulty concentrating
•Drowsiness or trouble sleeping, as well as bad dreams and nightmares
•Headaches
•Increased appetite and weight gain
•Irritability or depression
this symptoms will start within 2-3 hours after your last analog. You will even have these symtoms when cutting down from what you normally smoke. This is where the vaping takes over and helps your body adjust to the new reality.
Nicotine addiction and withdrawal: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
Vaping can make the difference, e-cig can get you away from smoking. It like with any of the other products you have to see it threw and not let your brain win over.
You CAN do it!
Tanti thank you
I don't know how much to thank you . All of You guys/ gals I am at work and not enough time , but needed to quickly say that
Allot of stuff has made sense and i can relate . ....The rest i guess i have to learn and work out my self.
I don't have much of any support . glad to have all of yours. The last few days was rough not sure whats goin on...
Good news is im staying w/ my plan...
many thanks
Kenny v
I don't know how much to thank you . All of You guys/ gals I am at work and not enough time , but needed to quickly say that
Allot of stuff has made sense and i can relate . ....The rest i guess i have to learn and work out my self.
I don't have much of any support . glad to have all of yours. The last few days was rough not sure whats goin on...
Good news is im staying w/ my plan...
many thanks
Kenny v
I smoked a pack of Camel filters every day for 20 years and I started with 16mg juice and will go down to 12 or so on my next order. So far so good!
Out side of my withdrawal symptoms I am eager to regulate my nicotine and get vaping successfully. 2 days ago I received my Volcano Inferno . For delivery I use both tank & carto set up with both 650-900 mAh power source. I ordered a bunch of juices and some extra Carto's
Now I am also trying to regulate my nicotine intake its said that 20 drops of juice is approx 1 ml.
If you are using 18-24 mg juice than that would be .9-1.2 mg of nicotine per drop. So that would mean you need to vape approx one ml of juice to = the amount of nicotine intake . Now I know vaping is NOT the same and its said that most PAD smokers use up 1-3 ml of juice. So that would mean again approximation that I would need to at minimum vape 1ml of liquid ?
Does that sound correct ???? again at minimum and approximately??
Now for ONE vape session
Again I know this is approximate please don't get all technical id just like to have a guide line ( using close to or about the same strength nicotine juice) How many hits vaping would equal the same amount of nicotine I need to replace a smoking sessions as with having ONE analog .
I know its different for every one and there are many variables but I am trying to replace my analog and vape as much as possible without getting too much or not enough. I am new to this and need a guide line. Some where to start.... Cuz vaping ain't doing anything yet and its so hard to tell what is happening to my body as I am going through some major withdrawals.
thanks so much for all your help
Kenny v
Now I am also trying to regulate my nicotine intake its said that 20 drops of juice is approx 1 ml.
If you are using 18-24 mg juice than that would be .9-1.2 mg of nicotine per drop. So that would mean you need to vape approx one ml of juice to = the amount of nicotine intake . Now I know vaping is NOT the same and its said that most PAD smokers use up 1-3 ml of juice. So that would mean again approximation that I would need to at minimum vape 1ml of liquid ?
Does that sound correct ???? again at minimum and approximately??
Now for ONE vape session
Again I know this is approximate please don't get all technical id just like to have a guide line ( using close to or about the same strength nicotine juice) How many hits vaping would equal the same amount of nicotine I need to replace a smoking sessions as with having ONE analog .
I know its different for every one and there are many variables but I am trying to replace my analog and vape as much as possible without getting too much or not enough. I am new to this and need a guide line. Some where to start.... Cuz vaping ain't doing anything yet and its so hard to tell what is happening to my body as I am going through some major withdrawals.
thanks so much for all your help
Kenny v
NICOTINE ????
in just s a few short days I have learned a few things with transitioning and learning as i go... . However at this time I m not sure how much nicotine I need .. ?????
This is what I learned so far so please help with the schedule part and knowing when you need to vape/ how much ..without feeling lousy . mostly upset stomach jittery ect.....
First off now I THINK if I get this part in my mind I may be able to understand and make a better plan of attack between vaping and discerning between withdrawal and too much nicotine,
Btw I am a 30year PAD heavy smoker now on Day12
this is what I have learned so far .
Not enough during detox phase major hysteria and withdrawal came with vengeance .
Is that correct?
Waiting a while after I vape to see if the urge to smoke goes away or lessens.
The withdrawal period
It takes a week or two weeks to get though this... ?
Well what if you continue to smoke a few analogs daily will the withdrawals still be there and if so do you cut all together and the withdrawals will also lessen or go away as well ?
of course without making myself sick ..
a few tips and tricks would be appreciated?
Mostly I am finding myself nauseous not sure if its from the nicotine or not??????
please help me understanding how you know you have enough nicotine without over doing it?
I am still at a loss with the nicotine part.
THANKS for any advice
Kenny v
in just s a few short days I have learned a few things with transitioning and learning as i go... . However at this time I m not sure how much nicotine I need .. ?????
This is what I learned so far so please help with the schedule part and knowing when you need to vape/ how much ..without feeling lousy . mostly upset stomach jittery ect.....
First off now I THINK if I get this part in my mind I may be able to understand and make a better plan of attack between vaping and discerning between withdrawal and too much nicotine,
Btw I am a 30year PAD heavy smoker now on Day12
this is what I have learned so far .
Not enough during detox phase major hysteria and withdrawal came with vengeance .
Is that correct?
Waiting a while after I vape to see if the urge to smoke goes away or lessens.
The withdrawal period
It takes a week or two weeks to get though this... ?
Well what if you continue to smoke a few analogs daily will the withdrawals still be there and if so do you cut all together and the withdrawals will also lessen or go away as well ?
of course without making myself sick ..
a few tips and tricks would be appreciated?
Mostly I am finding myself nauseous not sure if its from the nicotine or not??????
please help me understanding how you know you have enough nicotine without over doing it?
I am still at a loss with the nicotine part.
THANKS for any advice
Kenny v
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Hi Kenny, I've been a heavy smoker for over 50 years. I've quit twice in the past cold turkey. I went back and read all your posts and the misery you described sounded like withdrawal from reducing your smoking too fast without sufficient nicotine replacement. When I read the description of the way you smoke, what you smoked, and the number of years, I believe you would be classified as a heavy smoker like myself. Another way a person can tell if they are highly addicted is if they always reached for a smoke within 5 or 10 minutes after waking.
Dr. Jed Rose, PhD, is the director of the Duke Center for Nicotine and Smoking Cessation Research, and the co-creator of the patch. In his research he has increased the success rate of the patch to 50% instead of the usual 10%. What made the difference was his test subjects were divided into groups of light, and heavy smokers. All of them were started on the patch two weeks before their quit date and told they could smoke as usual. The light smokers were told to apply one 21mg patch a day, but the heavy smokers were told to apply two 21mg patches a day. So they were getting 42mg from the patch and were smoking on top of that. See video at YouTube titled: Duke's Jed Rose, PhD, Talks About the Latest Research in Smoking Cessation
I am not saying you should vape high contents of nicotine. My point is that you're in a forum being given advice and suggestions from a mixed group of light and heavy smokers. Though nicotine is a highly addictive drug, it is not the thing in cigarettes that will kill you. Like any other drug it also has some beneficial properties and is being studied and used in the treatment of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease, ADHD, schizophrenia, and obsessive-compulsive disorder.
What I did to figure out how much to vape to get the same amount I would from a cigarette was, I smoked a cigarette and counted how many puffs I took. I repeated that every time I smoked for three times. I averaged that and came up with 12 puffs, only mine aren't really puffs, they're long, hearty draws. So that's what I do with vaping. Now "if" it's accurate that I'm actually getting the same amount of nicotine vaping, that I would from a cigarette, is something I can't really know for sure, but its apparently close enough.
The reason I ended up here is because I was using the patch to try to quit. 10 years ago I managed to quit for 11 months using the patch. So with a 21mg patch I had managed to cut down to 5 or 6 cigarettes a day, but then I started to have a skin reaction to the patch. An anesthesiologist suggested if the patch didn't work for me, maybe an electronic cigarette would, because he had a friend who quit smoking using one.
So I decided to try to replace the patch with vaping, that didn't go so well. But to make a long story shorter, I have found what I am comfortable with. I switched to a different brand of the patch, so I'm wearing a 21mg patch and vaping 24mg juice to replace the 5 cigarettes I was smoking a day. I don't want to vape from sunrise to sunset, so that's why I'm using the higher mg of juice. I'm going to follow the routine step downs of the patch, going from the 21 to the 14, then to the 7 and stop using them. After that I'm going to slowly reduce the mg of my juices. But I'm only going to reduce down to between 8 to 12 mg, because I don't want to lose the benefits of the positive properties in nicotine. Since I'm older than dirt now, things like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's are a real concern.
Now concerning your sympton of stomach upset. It maybe that you have a sensitivity to either the PG or VG content in the juice you're vaping. Some people can tolerate the one, but not the other. Since you're vaping a 50/50 mix, it would be impossible to know which, if either, is causing discomfort. How you can sort that out is by going to a company like Johnson Creek and buy a sample bottle from their Red Oak series that is 100% VG based. You could even get the same flavor in the PG version. My favorite is Tennessee Cured. Then run a field test and vape one of those for a day or two, then switch to the other for a day or two. If one of them upsets you're stomach, while the other doesn't, you'd have your answer to know if you've got a sensitivity to one of them.
In any event I wish you much good luck and better days ahead. It's nice to get to meet you Kenny.
Cindy
KENNY V
Came across your post and thougt I would share with you my story. I just posted this on another thread about one hour ago.
I want to share my experience that I have became aware of it started on 1/22/13. At that time I was enjoying the forum experience and caught up in the thrill of reading and posting. During this time I had my vamo in my left hand puffing away the only time I stopped chain vaping was to type. I never realized that I was chain vaping. It was brought to my attention that I was not making any sense with my post no one could understand my post, I thought I did. I think I gave myself an overdose of nicotine, I DIY my juice and I was using 21mg.
I also had other signs of over dose but not as scary as thoughts disorder and anxiety.
Just a heads, make sure your aware when your chain vaping.
Came across your post and thougt I would share with you my story. I just posted this on another thread about one hour ago.
I want to share my experience that I have became aware of it started on 1/22/13. At that time I was enjoying the forum experience and caught up in the thrill of reading and posting. During this time I had my vamo in my left hand puffing away the only time I stopped chain vaping was to type. I never realized that I was chain vaping. It was brought to my attention that I was not making any sense with my post no one could understand my post, I thought I did. I think I gave myself an overdose of nicotine, I DIY my juice and I was using 21mg.
I also had other signs of over dose but not as scary as thoughts disorder and anxiety.
Just a heads, make sure your aware when your chain vaping.
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Too much nicotine smoking and vaping....pick one if you can......I chain vape 18 mg. No one can say how many puffs equal one smoke. If you feel wacked out drop the nic level in your juice. Try to relax and enjoy. It sounds like you are very fearful of whats going on. Don't be...Just lower the nic levels and hit it when ever you want. Its OK.
One of the best things about vapeing is that you can adjust you nic intake with a bit of simple math. I start out at 24 mg/ml in the morn and it feels low but after 2 hrs I am 'wired'. Then I move down to 12 then 6 then zero befor I go to bed. If I feel a nic-fit coming on I do a few vapes of the higher mixes. I am using stardust/vision type clearomizers and i have them at all filled different levels and switch them out as needed.
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I'm not fearful, I did not know I was chain vaping at the rate I was, for the period of 3 days. I was vaping about 99% of the time.
I appreciate all the help , take everything that is said into consideration . So I do covet your responses .. You do not know how much I appreciate folks taking the time to write . Thanks so much . Ill try to explain and hope you can follow whats my dalema hopefully by this time next week it changes. Grrrrrrrrrrr %^^$#!!!@$ I feel like just going cold turkey getting the withdrawal over with then starting from scratch so I know what is the right thing to do for my body to get well.
Btw I am using discernment logic and common sense, I know this is a learning curve , but some things don't make sense to how I feel.. Sure I know I need to be in control , and yes I am fearful of what is going on. Not scared juts want to understand what to do BC I don't feel well . Perhaps it maybe withdrawal too fast but on the other hand it may be too much nicotine ? Its not dehydration or supporting my body with anti oxidants . . I been experimenting with vapping more frequent with less nicotine.. Also I tried vaping with higher nicotine less frequent and not coming up with a solution yet .
I don't think allergic to PG/VG but have not isolated that completely BC I don't have straight PG . What gets me is sometimes I have a smoke I fell better other times I feel like Sht (I guess that's good RIGHT)? The past 12 days I set a plan to slowly decrease smokes. From day one I dropped 60% by the first week I had cut it Down to 70% and I am ready to drop to ( 3 analogs) daily . Stay at 3 for one week and be done with those nasty poisons FOREVER .
Been using the 4 hour increment model and only allow myself an analog ONLY if I need it during that allotted time and the vape don't cut it. Been vaping every hour or so...
Sometimes I vape and and feel ok other times I feel like sht the headaches don't' concern nor bother me Cuz I know I ant dying besides im drinking plenty of fluids . Its the upset stomach im trying to figure out if its TOO MUCH nicotine or not. Hope that makes sense .
As far as the anxiety I can manage that. The other day it way got too intense so I went out for a Jog . Did 4 miles . That was on day 6 ya know what never felt better during this detox BS . And it lasted for hours . No smoke no vape no nothing , no nicotine , but a good feeling that is natural > now why is that?
But I sit here every hour and feel like crap till I try to get my drug of choice that I think will make me feel better. But I don't Dont get it man...???
Right now I love to vape and look forward to finding wonderful juices that satisfy my crave to replace analogs forever. I know im gonna do it just need help getting there and understanding why I feel like crap and HOW MUCH NICOTINE I should vape ?????
today I bought what I hope to be my last pack of smokes My like I mentioned my goal is to allow myself 3 day over the next 5 days and get rid of them once and for all . Is this a reasonable goal?
The way I feel will help me decide , but NOT if I I don't feel better in the next week of trying to vape correctly .
Sorry so long hopefully ill get something out of your responses to think about meditate on and try to apply as I get through this upcoming week.
THANKS again please if you can share your thoughts
sincerely
Kenny V
Ps
Now I must confess smokes were always my drug of choice I was depended on them to function.They were my best friend for many years . Now I hate them more than anything else
Btw I am using discernment logic and common sense, I know this is a learning curve , but some things don't make sense to how I feel.. Sure I know I need to be in control , and yes I am fearful of what is going on. Not scared juts want to understand what to do BC I don't feel well . Perhaps it maybe withdrawal too fast but on the other hand it may be too much nicotine ? Its not dehydration or supporting my body with anti oxidants . . I been experimenting with vapping more frequent with less nicotine.. Also I tried vaping with higher nicotine less frequent and not coming up with a solution yet .
I don't think allergic to PG/VG but have not isolated that completely BC I don't have straight PG . What gets me is sometimes I have a smoke I fell better other times I feel like Sht (I guess that's good RIGHT)? The past 12 days I set a plan to slowly decrease smokes. From day one I dropped 60% by the first week I had cut it Down to 70% and I am ready to drop to ( 3 analogs) daily . Stay at 3 for one week and be done with those nasty poisons FOREVER .
Been using the 4 hour increment model and only allow myself an analog ONLY if I need it during that allotted time and the vape don't cut it. Been vaping every hour or so...
Sometimes I vape and and feel ok other times I feel like sht the headaches don't' concern nor bother me Cuz I know I ant dying besides im drinking plenty of fluids . Its the upset stomach im trying to figure out if its TOO MUCH nicotine or not. Hope that makes sense .
As far as the anxiety I can manage that. The other day it way got too intense so I went out for a Jog . Did 4 miles . That was on day 6 ya know what never felt better during this detox BS . And it lasted for hours . No smoke no vape no nothing , no nicotine , but a good feeling that is natural > now why is that?
But I sit here every hour and feel like crap till I try to get my drug of choice that I think will make me feel better. But I don't Dont get it man...???
Right now I love to vape and look forward to finding wonderful juices that satisfy my crave to replace analogs forever. I know im gonna do it just need help getting there and understanding why I feel like crap and HOW MUCH NICOTINE I should vape ?????
today I bought what I hope to be my last pack of smokes My like I mentioned my goal is to allow myself 3 day over the next 5 days and get rid of them once and for all . Is this a reasonable goal?
The way I feel will help me decide , but NOT if I I don't feel better in the next week of trying to vape correctly .
Sorry so long hopefully ill get something out of your responses to think about meditate on and try to apply as I get through this upcoming week.
THANKS again
please if you can share your thoughtssincerely
Kenny V
Ps
Now I must confess smokes were always my drug of choice I was depended on them to function.They were my best friend for many years . Now I hate them more than anything else
when I set my goal, I havent!!! I am down to zero or 3 cig a day. For me that is called quits! Dont stress over a number. I went from 40 a day to 18 to 8 and I am not going to stress my self to be perfect. Go Kenny!
Hi again Kenny, I don't think any of us would feel comfort with giving advice, or suggestions when it comes to medical issues. One of the main reasons I decided to quit smoking is because it was affecting my stomach. I'd smoke a cigarette and immediately start having stomach pain. I went to the doctor and had a bunch of test, it turned out to be a little inflammation from a condition we already knew I had. You already said in a previous message you don't want to go to the doctor. All I can tell you is you give yourself a better shot at doing best by finding problems early. So if the stomach discomfort persist I hope you'll reconsider seeing the doc.
Nicotine can certainly upset your stomach, the problem is that nicotine withdrawal can also cause stomach upset. If you decided to quit smoking suddenly because you were noticing some physical problems and decided smoking was causing it. Then my very best advice would be to see a doctor. Just to rule out any underlying problem that would be easily treatable. It may be you have an ulcer and the smoke juice is irritating it. It could be a hundred different things.
If you didn't have a nicotine tolerance you wouldn't have spent the last 30 years smoking. The whole goal of vaping for folks that want to quit smoking is to have that instead of the horror of cold turkey. If quitting were easy millions of us would have already done it years ago. The beauty of vaping is it offers the hand to mouth activity us fidgety folks seem to need, along with replacing the nicotine we're already addicted to anyway.
If you can find out what the nicotine level of your cigarettes are you can times that by how many you were smoking a day. The problem is that's not easy information to get because the FDA doesn't require that to be included on the label. I had to go through a lot of back doors to find out what the per cigarette nicotine was on my brand. Wildhorse Red 100's. I found it on the distributors spec sheet so they would know what they were buying. For my brand the nic level is 1.2mg per cigarette. Another factor is that some people are more efficient smokers than others, so how much nicotine you actually were getting from your regular brand depended on the way you smoked them.
You might be more comfortable using the patch for nicotine replacement, and vaping for activity replacement. That way you'd be able to tell more about just how much nicotine you are getting. The 21 mg patch has been declared safe for the average pack a day smoker, so you could try that with a sample bottle of 0 nic juice, if that doesn't get it try a 6 or 12mg, until you find your current comfort level.
I personally prefer to buy my juice from places like Halo and Johnson Creek, it makes me feel better that they have batch or lot numbers on what they send out. I've also done investigating of their facilities. I'm sure there are other good vendors out there too, but I only need so much juice. As a responsible consumer it's my job to know what I'm vaping. And don't discount the possibility too quickly of having a sensitivity to one of the ingredients in your juice. Run some field test and try other juices from different suppliers to see if that helps the stomach upset. Keep in mind that stress can play hell with your stomach too. The stress of quitting, on top of learning to vape, on top of worrying about nicotine levels, wouldn't make for an easy ride. Telling you to relax isn't going to help you relax. But reading up on nicotine replacement research might, you'd be surprised to discover just how much nicotine some of the research subjects have been given during the study period. None of them died but some of them did get nauseous.
I've gotten through the whole day without a single puff from a cigarette, and with no discomfort. But it's taken me over a month of different trial runs to get here, it was more than worth it. So just hang in there until you find the path that's right for you, follow your gutt instinct, it tells you the truth about you.
Cindy
Nicotine can certainly upset your stomach, the problem is that nicotine withdrawal can also cause stomach upset. If you decided to quit smoking suddenly because you were noticing some physical problems and decided smoking was causing it. Then my very best advice would be to see a doctor. Just to rule out any underlying problem that would be easily treatable. It may be you have an ulcer and the smoke juice is irritating it. It could be a hundred different things.
If you didn't have a nicotine tolerance you wouldn't have spent the last 30 years smoking. The whole goal of vaping for folks that want to quit smoking is to have that instead of the horror of cold turkey. If quitting were easy millions of us would have already done it years ago. The beauty of vaping is it offers the hand to mouth activity us fidgety folks seem to need, along with replacing the nicotine we're already addicted to anyway.
If you can find out what the nicotine level of your cigarettes are you can times that by how many you were smoking a day. The problem is that's not easy information to get because the FDA doesn't require that to be included on the label. I had to go through a lot of back doors to find out what the per cigarette nicotine was on my brand. Wildhorse Red 100's. I found it on the distributors spec sheet so they would know what they were buying. For my brand the nic level is 1.2mg per cigarette. Another factor is that some people are more efficient smokers than others, so how much nicotine you actually were getting from your regular brand depended on the way you smoked them.
You might be more comfortable using the patch for nicotine replacement, and vaping for activity replacement. That way you'd be able to tell more about just how much nicotine you are getting. The 21 mg patch has been declared safe for the average pack a day smoker, so you could try that with a sample bottle of 0 nic juice, if that doesn't get it try a 6 or 12mg, until you find your current comfort level.
I personally prefer to buy my juice from places like Halo and Johnson Creek, it makes me feel better that they have batch or lot numbers on what they send out. I've also done investigating of their facilities. I'm sure there are other good vendors out there too, but I only need so much juice. As a responsible consumer it's my job to know what I'm vaping. And don't discount the possibility too quickly of having a sensitivity to one of the ingredients in your juice. Run some field test and try other juices from different suppliers to see if that helps the stomach upset. Keep in mind that stress can play hell with your stomach too. The stress of quitting, on top of learning to vape, on top of worrying about nicotine levels, wouldn't make for an easy ride. Telling you to relax isn't going to help you relax. But reading up on nicotine replacement research might, you'd be surprised to discover just how much nicotine some of the research subjects have been given during the study period. None of them died but some of them did get nauseous.
I've gotten through the whole day without a single puff from a cigarette, and with no discomfort. But it's taken me over a month of different trial runs to get here, it was more than worth it. So just hang in there until you find the path that's right for you, follow your gutt instinct, it tells you the truth about you.
Cindy
Kenny, for the first 2 months or so I had these symptoms....
Stomach pains - It goes through cycles, yes, but they can be pretty painful. Sometimes you just want to curl up in a little ball and cry. You just have to remember that it's only the addiction and it's nothing else. You aren't really getting sick, it's just your body's way of telling you it craves cigarettes. The pain DOES go away, so there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
After You Quit Smoking | What Happens?
Stomach pains - It goes through cycles, yes, but they can be pretty painful. Sometimes you just want to curl up in a little ball and cry. You just have to remember that it's only the addiction and it's nothing else. You aren't really getting sick, it's just your body's way of telling you it craves cigarettes. The pain DOES go away, so there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
After You Quit Smoking | What Happens?
I don't think I ever had nicotine withdrawal, the day I got mine in the mail I never smoked another analog.
I just puffed on it all the time I never put it down, for the first week didn't let it out of my sight. That's been three years ago ecigs is the best thing I had ever done and was so easy I was a 2 pack a day smoker when I quit, and didn't gain a pound of weight ....like I did when I tried to quit with chantix or patches that did not work. I'm still on 18ml and I don't plan on going any lower.
I just puffed on it all the time I never put it down, for the first week didn't let it out of my sight. That's been three years ago ecigs is the best thing I had ever done and was so easy I was a 2 pack a day smoker when I quit, and didn't gain a pound of weight ....like I did when I tried to quit with chantix or patches that did not work. I'm still on 18ml and I don't plan on going any lower.
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