I just bought a norpro mini mixer, and i want to use that to mix my nicotine to ensure even nicotine distribution before separating it into smaller jars for storage. From what I've read, people have scared me into thinking that if i mix my nicotine with a tool, that it will immediately lose a couple mg strength, or that it starts the process of it losing strength fast. Does anyone know how fast it takes nicotine to lose nicotine content after both setting and mixing? And how much it degrades?
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Just pour it into smaller bottles. No additional steps needed.
Heat, UV and O2 are the enemies.
Fill bottles COMPLETELY, they will contract a bit in the freezer.
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So are you assuming that nicotine arriving at my doorstep is completely mixed? Im trying to assume that it's not. And im also wondering what the qualitative consequences are of mixing before storing is. Telling me that those things are "the enemy" is a very dramatic statement and doesnt answer my question completely
Yes? I would say if you have a reason to assume the 100mg (or whatever) you bought is 1000mg on the bottom and 0mg on the top you need to not buy from that place.
I made the mistake of buying 100mg with the intention of mixing it down to 50mg. I quickly learned they have better equipment for mixing than I do (I thought my stirplate would work, it didn't). But that said it was easy to see the difference between the 0mg and the 100mg so I was able to stir it by hand to be 50mg and I haven't ever had a bottle be any stronger than any other.
But from now on I'll just buy what I'll use and let the pros do the mixing.
You could just shake the bottle if you don't think it's mixed.
Absolutely!
Like beer or coke or shampoo. No mixing required.
It takes a bit of work to get the nicotine to precipitate out of solution. (Urban myths not withstanding)
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Yes, nic is stable in solution (and even more stable if frozen). I don't think that's your problem. I posted more on your other thread.
And, you may want to ask the mods to merge your topics so you have all your answers in one place. Kind of cuts down on confusion. You can PM one (classwife, robino1) or summon them to your thread using the @ symbol, followed by the name.
Best of luck,
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And, you may want to ask the mods to merge your topics so you have all your answers in one place. Kind of cuts down on confusion. You can PM one (classwife, robino1) or summon them to your thread using the @ symbol, followed by the name.
Best of luck,
Anna
Thank you. So from now on i will assume the nicotine has been mixed in it's original packaging unless someone states otherwise. But should i worry about 48mg separating upon arrival? I plan on buying 48mg and diluting to 12 before storage. What short term and long term effects would my mixing method(norpro) have on mixing the solution to 12mg then storing? A more scientific answer would be appreciated on the degradation of nicotine.
Sorry, since you didn't use science, neither did I.
Long Term Nic Storage
@Rossum also has a thread about that is very useful. Here
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Which is why i dont require anymore responses from you.
I've been using the Norpro Deluxe Mini Mixer for 2+ years...always just to mix some of my DIY eliquids after they're made (those containing flavorings with ethyl alcohol in them specifically). I've never used it to mix my nic base when I receive it from a vendor, no matter what mg it is.
IMO, using the Norpro will introduce air into your nic base, which is something you do not want to do.
IMO, using the Norpro will introduce air into your nic base, which is something you do not want to do.
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Nicotine is bound tightly to PG/VG, there won't be any separation even if you tried scientifically. What may separate in finished liquid that requires shaking before each use is the flavorings.
Diluting to 12mg to make 6mg in your final recipes will mean you will need 50% of your nicotine mix for every bottle you make. I thought me having to thaw a bottle of nicotine for every 5 bottles was bad.
I would split the 48mg into smaller containers and freeze it at 48mg. If you really want to cut it down to 12mg I would take one of those smaller containers and blend that down.
After you've mixed those 4 containers you may find 12mg is a hassle. In the least you will save a lot of freezer space storing 48mg long term rather than the whole shebang as 12mg.
12mg also means you will never be able to mix higher if you decide 6mg isn't cutting it for getting you to quit.
If you are here asking these questions of folks, then you do want and need the responses. No need to be rude. Folks here are friendly and helpful if you give them the chance.
Thank you for this very INFORMITIVE, USEFUL & SCIENTIFIC reply!
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@Izan im sorry if I came across as rude. I read all 20 pages of the link you posted, and it did not provide the answer im looking for. Let me clarify my question. Im looking for titration experiments. For instance, if i put nicotine in a blender and blended it for 20 minutes, what would be the nicotine content afterwards? Does it lose strength? Does it immediately change color? If i let all air escape after blending, then freeze them for six months. After six months, will the nicotine strength be less?
No vaper who knows oxygen is bad for nicotine is going to saturate it with oxygen for 20 minutes in a blender just for an experiment. They want to produce more realistic results to get as long of storage as possible not see how fast they can ruin it.
Save your blender for mixing flavors or making smoothies.
If you treat it right and rebottle your 48mg and freeze it, 6 months is nothing, expect no change.
I don't know but I wouldn't expect you to lose much nicotine in 20 minutes but I see no practical use for such an experiment. I would guess taste and color would change pretty fast.
You wouldn't "let" all the air escape, you would have to pull it out in a vacuum chamber. Realistically your oxygenated nicotine would not last as long as someone else's who was treated right.
My 50mg from 2013 that I carefully stirred so I didn't add oxygen from 100mg VG to 50mg VG and bottled in amber 30ml bottles and froze has no change that I can tell. It's still clear and I've even stopped putting the 30ml bottles back in the freezer because I'll use them in a couple of weeks. It may be weaker, actually closing in on 5 years and me mixing it down I'd expect it to be somewhat lower mg, I've been off cigarettes so long I really can't tell other than I'm sure there is nicotine in it because I can tell when I'm trying a new mod or tasting a new flavor.
No worries...
Here is a post about testing nicotine strength. HERE
Our own @mikepetro has an excellent blog post about heat steeping/degradation. HERE
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1. Do you need to mix vodka before you are consuming it? Are you sure it is not 0 proof at the surface and 200 proof on the bottom? I am pretty sure alcohol does not separates from water. The same is true with nicotine and PG/VG.
2. As for decomposition - just try it. Use your mixing method for as long as you wish, then try your juice. Do you like it? If yes, just continue doing it. (hint - nicotine is not so fragile as it seems).
2. As for decomposition - just try it. Use your mixing method for as long as you wish, then try your juice. Do you like it? If yes, just continue doing it. (hint - nicotine is not so fragile as it seems).
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