Nicotine question in E-Juices

[Drewps5co0tt]

Hi,

Was wonder what nicotine is like in E-Juices compared to a real cigarette? In other words, do you get less nicotine from an E-Cig (should your juice contain nicotine) than a traditional cigarette or vise-versa? I realize there are different nicotine strengths with the juices so if someone wants to go more into detail with regards tho those strengths that would be great too!

Thanks

 

[JW50]

This type of question as been discussed a lot on ECF. You might do some searching. I think the general consensus is that the nic in e-liquid almost always comes from tobacco. Of course, in a cigarette it is not just nicotine that is being inhaled. So what is being inhaled between the two varies enormously. It also seems to be the case that the nic from a e-cig does not have effect on ones brain quite as fast as a cigarette. I think the belief is that cigarette nic is absorbed more in deep lungs areas whereas e-cig nic does not travel so deeply, being absorbed in mouth and higher areas of the respiratory tract. But I don't think all the facts are in on the issue. I suspect that a great deal of the variance in effect time deals with the exact method that one uses in terms or draw strength, inhale methods, exhale methods, etc. But, generally speaking, if you were a pack a day smoker of full flavor cigs, you got to your system something on the order of 2 mg of nic. (About 1 mg in a cig to start but 90% burnt up or exhausted with second hand smoke.) Since e-liquid is rated at mg of nic per ml, a ml of 2mg e-liquid should present to your system 2 mg of nic. But what seems to be the case, 2mg of nic in e-liquid form will not work as replacement for the 2mg in the cigs. Best fit is usually obtained with trial and error. If formerly a pack a day smoker of full flavor what I have seen is the 16 or 18 mg e-liquid is somewhat common. (An usually 2 or 3 ml of it a day) But, varies widely. In my case, previously a pack to pack and half smoker, 14 or 18 mg seems the fit for me. But trial and error experience is the real test. Most would say, the lower the mg level in the e-liquid that keeps you away from the cigarettes, that is the proper level. Once the attraction to the cigarettes is gone, one can always start moving downward on the nic mg level in the e-liquid toward perhaps a 0mg level.

 

[zoiDman]

The difference is in the rate of absorption of Nicotine from analogs (real cigarettes) verses e-Cigarettes.

I have read all kinds of crazy figures about what people think is the absorption amount for e-cigs. Some say it is only 10%. Others say it is 95%.
And you can find numbers everywhere in between.

Here is some unscientific thought on it.

Say an average pack of analogs has 18mg of Total Nicotine in it. So if you could extract all the Nicotine out of the cigarettes and into a pure form you would have 18mg of Liquid Nicotine. Now say you diluted that liquid Nicotine into 1ml of PG and VG (the major components of e-liquid). So know you would have 18mg per 1ml of e-Liquid.

In a simple world, if a person smoked a pack of analogs in one day or if the vaped 1ml or 18mg e-Liquid they would be getting the same amount of Nicotine going into there bodies and the same amount absorbed.

But the word isn’t simple.

I know some people who vape 5ml of 36mg e-Liquid a day. 5ml x 36mg = 180mg of Nicotine a day! That’s like smoking 10 packs of analogs a day. Clearly, the absorption of Nicotine isn’t 100% when vaping.

Myself, I vape about 1½ml of 18mg a day. But I have been vaping for over a year. When I first started out, I was using 32mg and chain vaped to get off analogs. I slowly stepped down both the mg and ml as time went by. Didn’t need as much Nicotine the longer I was without smoking analogs.

So perhaps to answer your question, No the amount of Nicotine isn’t the same and is hard to compare with analogs.

 

[Drewps5co0tt]

Well I guess I can chime in a bit here on this subject a bit more...

When I first quit at the beginning of this year I first started using the "Nicotrole Inhaler" which is a RX, each nicotine cartridge contains 10MG of nicotine although only 4 or 6 is released (I can't remember which it is now cause I don't have the boxes anymore.) I also remember reading that the nicotine that one received from that device was NOTHING like a real cigarette...I can attest to that! As a matter of fact, I got NOTHING from them and they also burned my throat (that is the menthol flavor did), I stopped using them about 3 weeks in because I honestly wasn't getting anything from it so I figured well I don't need these so I'll just suffer or do something else.

Also I have read where all the chemicals in a cigarette are what helps "DRIVE" that nicotine into ones system almost instantly and gets it to where it needs to get to and an e-cigarette doesn't have all that crap so in that senese the e-cigarette should work similar to the nicotine inhaler with regards to how fast it's delivered and it being delivered more in the mouth/throat, etc vs. the lungs.

So in my opinion it probably works simliar to the inhaler but then again if you are vapin a very high nicotine content it might work a bit better too. I have not vaped any nicotine yet so I can't really comment but I think I might experiment just to see what the difference is between 0MG and "whatever"...

BTW...since I have had no nicotine since Jan 2, I'm assuming if I decide to experiment a bit I would want to start with the lowest level of nicotine from the flavor I'm ordering and not the highest?

 

[Princessdee]

I'm thinkin, David, that if you're happy with no nic, keep it that way.
JMHO, but why add to the mix what would be better avoided if you're satisfied without it?

 

[Drewps5co0tt]

I just want to know (feeling wise) what the difference is between the 0MG and with nicotine for starters, and also I want to see if the nicotine fills in the void that I still feel like I'm missing. I doubt that would readdict me to the nicotine from E-Juice?

Also ever since I stopped smoking, after about 6-8 hours after waking up in the morning I seem to develop this "buzz" feeling in my upper body and head. The only way I know how to describe it is I feel like a car engine about to die because I have no more fuel left in me and it's like my body is like "feed me, feed me!" It's a horrible feeling and I'm always having to pop xanax to make it stop, it's the only thing that works. I've asked both my shrink who prescribes the xanax to me and my lung doc what is going on and they are both clueless...the lunk doc says she's never heard what I'm describing and insists that it's not nicotine craving after 6 months nor is it withdrawl from it either but she doesn't know what it is.

I'm convinced that my body is just so use to smoking that it's related to me not smoking anymore (perhaps it's one of the other 4,000 chemicals in cigarettes that is causing it? I dunno...

 

[Princessdee]

Perhaps it's some of the things other than nicotine.
I hesitate to suggest this, but poping xanax is no way to get thru life (been there. It sux) have you tried SNUS? Go oer to the SNUS forum and do some reading.

 

[Drewps5co0tt]

I suffer from PTSD and major anxiety issues, Xanax is a GREAT drug and I have used it for 6 years now and I'm NOT dependant on it...I've gone weeks before without even using the stuff! Each person is different, frankly if it wern't for Xanax I would be smoking right now...I would have never been able to get through the tough parts without it!

Not interested in SNUS or any form of tobacco use. No thanks...

 

[Princessdee]

Hugs, Hun. Wish I could help....

 

[Drewps5co0tt]

It's all good

 

[newcomer]

Not trying to sound like your know-it-all Nazi but the nic label on cig boxes is based on the amount of nicotine absorbed per cigarette, which avg around 1mg. The actual amount of nic in a typical analog ranges 15-20mg.

Theoretically, you could get MUCH MORE than just 20mg of pure n-juice from 20 analogs, or 400mg based on your calculation. In other words, smoking an analog delivers at best 10% of the nicotine available. Now something tells me e cigarettes fair better than that. At least we know for a fact e cigarettes don't burn idling like analogs do.

The difference is in the rate of absorption of Nicotine from analogs (real cigarettes) verses e-Cigarettes.

I have read all kinds of crazy figures about what people think is the absorption amount for e-cigs. Some say it is only 10%. Others say it is 95%.
And you can find numbers everywhere in between.

Here is some unscientific thought on it.

Say an average pack of analogs has 18mg of Total Nicotine in it. So if you could extract all the Nicotine out of the cigarettes and into a pure form you would have 18mg of Liquid Nicotine. Now say you diluted that liquid Nicotine into 1ml of PG and VG (the major components of e-liquid). So know you would have 18mg per 1ml of e-Liquid.

In a simple world, if a person smoked a pack of analogs in one day or if the vaped 1ml or 18mg e-Liquid they would be getting the same amount of Nicotine going into there bodies and the same amount absorbed.

But the word isn’t simple.

I know some people who vape 5ml of 36mg e-Liquid a day. 5ml x 36mg = 180mg of Nicotine a day! That’s like smoking 10 packs of analogs a day. Clearly, the absorption of Nicotine isn’t 100% when vaping.

Myself, I vape about 1½ml of 18mg a day. But I have been vaping for over a year. When I first started out, I was using 32mg and chain vaped to get off analogs. I slowly stepped down both the mg and ml as time went by. Didn’t need as much Nicotine the longer I was without smoking analogs.

So perhaps to answer your question, No the amount of Nicotine isn’t the same and is hard to compare with analogs.

 

[Drewps5co0tt]

WOW, I never knew a cigarette had 15-20MG's of nicotine, I thought the 2MG version was actually true. That's amazing that only 1MG gets absorbed by the user.

 

[Princessdee]

I think I remember reading a report from New Zeland that said that absorption from e-cigs is approx. 10% of the nic level. (so 10mg, vaping 1ml would absorb 1mg)
Now, don't take that as absolute, but that's what I think I remember. Of course, YMMV, depending probably on voltage (seems logical to me that HV would deliver more just from the throat hit I get at HV) and stuff like that.

 

[zoiDman]

Not trying to sound like your know-it-all Nazi but the nic label on cig boxes is based on the amount of nicotine absorbed per cigarette, which avg around 1mg. The actual amount of nic in a typical analog ranges 15-20mg.
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No. I am glad that you mentioned that.

I should have been more clear that the average amount of "Absorbed" nicotine in one cigarette is about 1mg.

This is a critical point because Absorbed Nicotine and Nicotine per Volume are two Completely different things.

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