Nicotine too high?
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Can you say "No quality control, no regulation, no batch testing of any kind?"
How do you KNOW what you inhaled?
How do you KNOW what you inhaled?
I am experiencing the same thing except not my heart racing. I seem to get some headache pain around my sinuses. I felt as is I smoked a good amount and could handle that strength so I am surprised.
Well, that was a little blunt coming from another vaporer.
But, really with over 100 posts you should know more about the nic content and variance with different companies and batches.
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The point is that if you do this at this time, you are acting on nothing but faith. I'm guilty. Every time I pick up an e-cig, I make an act of faith. But China has numerous instances of contaminated substances making it into consumers' hands. It is not impossible for a batch of e-liquid to have too much or too little nicotine added. Your 11mg liquid should not present problems for you. Yet it did.
Depending on the maker (and you have no idea where it was made, when it was made or what's in it) it might be way off the amount listed.
I have said many times that the present e-smoking situation is untenable. It is amazing that some governments have waited so long to demand facts about e-smoking. And we've seen the results where governments HAVE considered e-smoking: Not one has approved it as now practiced. Various states of ban exist in Australia, Canada, Mexico and many other countries.
Unfortunately, the practice virtually demands assurances of safety, something that cannot be left to Chinese manufacturers who exist outside regulatory scrutiny. Open your eyes wide, and you'll see where this is heading.
Depending on the maker (and you have no idea where it was made, when it was made or what's in it) it might be way off the amount listed.
I have said many times that the present e-smoking situation is untenable. It is amazing that some governments have waited so long to demand facts about e-smoking. And we've seen the results where governments HAVE considered e-smoking: Not one has approved it as now practiced. Various states of ban exist in Australia, Canada, Mexico and many other countries.
Unfortunately, the practice virtually demands assurances of safety, something that cannot be left to Chinese manufacturers who exist outside regulatory scrutiny. Open your eyes wide, and you'll see where this is heading.
Well I've vaped 0, 11, 18, and 24mg nicotine with no problem. I smoked analogs with 11mg. This is the first time I know that this bottle marked 11mg was in fact alot more. It felt like if I drank 2 large cups of Starbucks extra strong.
Maybe I should just stick to USA made juice. Is there anyone that makes juice with USA ingredients other than Johnson Creek (which I like but would like variety as well)
Maybe I should just stick to USA made juice. Is there anyone that makes juice with USA ingredients other than Johnson Creek (which I like but would like variety as well)
I think it's very unfair to link Chinese manufacturers with bad practices. They're the only ones with any credible toxicology tests at the moment and nicotine levels in Wicked (from China) have been double checked.
It's not just the Chinese who are unregulated by authorities.
It's not just the Chinese who are unregulated by authorities.
Thanks, Kate. This morning, I tried the same questionable juice and had the same thing happen, in fact right now.
My original question was did anyone else feel it happened to them? I just wanted to get an idea of how many times this might happen. I really wan't looking to point blame at anyone.
My original question was did anyone else feel it happened to them? I just wanted to get an idea of how many times this might happen. I really wan't looking to point blame at anyone.
I would suggest that you put that bottle away for now. Possibly save it as evidence, along with the person you purchased it from.
Put it in a double-ziplock bag, and include a note that indicates it is "too high". Store in a cool dry place, and away from... any living organism.
Contact the seller, and ask him/her for the person they purchased it from. If they can't provide that info... indicate that you have no choice but to file a direct complaint as if the seller created the item.
Do not attempt to continue to use the juice. You have no idea what is inside. Thinning it out may just cause more problems, and still lead to an OD.
This has nothing to do with China. This is about obvious and direct proof of non-credible toxicology tests, and apparently proof that double-checking is not enough, or just a lie.
I don't see where any specific seller or manufacture was mentioned. Unless "E-Juice" is the manufacture. The problem is... It would cost us tons of money to sue "Wicked", the UK seller, selling Chinese items, from the USA. It is easier and cheaper for a US citizen to go after a US dealer.
However, at this rate... It won't be difficult to nail an over-seas seller, now that the FDA is involved.
If that were me... with the high-dose bottle... I would just thin it out, because I have all the chemicals to do it. However, buying a $15.00 bottle of PG, or a $3.00 bottle of VG is not the safer solution. (Nor is adding water.)
Put it in a double-ziplock bag, and include a note that indicates it is "too high". Store in a cool dry place, and away from... any living organism.
Contact the seller, and ask him/her for the person they purchased it from. If they can't provide that info... indicate that you have no choice but to file a direct complaint as if the seller created the item.
Do not attempt to continue to use the juice. You have no idea what is inside. Thinning it out may just cause more problems, and still lead to an OD.
This has nothing to do with China. This is about obvious and direct proof of non-credible toxicology tests, and apparently proof that double-checking is not enough, or just a lie.
I don't see where any specific seller or manufacture was mentioned. Unless "E-Juice" is the manufacture. The problem is... It would cost us tons of money to sue "Wicked", the UK seller, selling Chinese items, from the USA. It is easier and cheaper for a US citizen to go after a US dealer.
However, at this rate... It won't be difficult to nail an over-seas seller, now that the FDA is involved.
If that were me... with the high-dose bottle... I would just thin it out, because I have all the chemicals to do it. However, buying a $15.00 bottle of PG, or a $3.00 bottle of VG is not the safer solution. (Nor is adding water.)
I've heard of questions about nicotine measurements before but there's no evidence because it's not something that's easy to measure.
It's more common for people to say that they think there is less nicotine than they expect.
It's not impossible that you got a mislabelled bottle, that's happened with flavours. It's even possible that a sample bottle got mixed into a batch or the batch was all wrongly dosed.
It's more common for people to say that they think there is less nicotine than they expect.
It's not impossible that you got a mislabelled bottle, that's happened with flavours. It's even possible that a sample bottle got mixed into a batch or the batch was all wrongly dosed.
Every person who has ever OD'ed has felt that happen to them. Stop using that bottle. That is not a sign of "Working", that is a sign of, "You are getting a dose that is close to the poison level." (You confirmed that an equal dose, from the same location, did not have that effect. Obviously, this is NOT that same dose as the bottle indicates.)
The missing label... "Discontinue use if you detect abnormal heart conditions, such as racing, stopping, or chest-pains. Consult a doctor if conditions continue or worsen." (That is a standard "Stimulant warning". This is not your standard stimulant, this is a sign of pre-poisoning levels.)
Please read about nicotine poisoning...
Acute nicotine toxicity
Don't listen to anyone who tells you, "Trust me, it is safe", after you directly indicated "Medical problems". (Heart racing is a medical problem, obviously caused by the e-juice which you indicated as the trigger. You would not continue to drink coffee or expresso, if it had the same effect, and any doctor would tell you the same.)
Go back to analogs until you get a new bottle in. Seriously, a few days more of smoking analogs will not kill you, but that juice might.
It is not difficult to prove... just send a sample in to the FDA, after you call them for an appropriate shipment package. (The USPS does not allow poisons to be shipped through normal packages in the federal mail. They will send you a special bio-hazard/toxic package for shipment, which must be shipped directly from a carrier office. The packages have special precautions that normal delivery agents do not take into account. I have to deal with this for tattooing also, and many of the chemicals I purchase.)
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Thanks for posting this....I recently had a similar experience as the original poster, I didn't want to believe it was the juice because I've read so many positive threads about ecigs and juice suppliers. I did exactly as you stated and switched back to analogs and the heart racing and light headedness went a way after 2 days. We are trying save our lives with a smoking alternative yet it seems without some form of regulation or stricter testing standards we may end our lives a little faster.
You forgot to mention putting it in a double locked fire proof safe!
Seriously had a cup of strong black coffee the other day. Made me feel a bit jittery and nervous (true story, don't drink much coffee). Reckon I should send that to the fda to make sure it was only coffee that I was consuming? Your fear-mongering is out of control in my opinion. Newbies (which you are) shouldn't be told to send items to the fda, or rush to the hospital your dying! If you would read the forum a little you would see where other people have ask about the same things (headaches, heart racing,ect) and they are all still with us today. Trust me I am sure this person is okay and still alive. I'm not saying this isn't signs of too much nic, but no need to go to the extremes posted here. For the people with fears remember over 2 years of e-cig use has netted zero deaths and very few side effects. 1 year of analog use will net you around 400,000 deaths. (yeah ecigs are new, yada, yada, yada)
Again, I think that sellers should be a bit more responsible with labeling, ect., but fear-mongering statements like this will never help our cause!
To the OP, it could be entirely the case that your bottle was mis-labeled. I would sit the bottle to the side and maybe ask the supplier for your money back or swap for another bottle.
Btw - I have had mild nic od myself. Same effects mentioned (took in too much 36mg at one sitting). I am fine and now make sure to not vape as much if I use 36mg. Regardless, it still wasn't as bad as the first analog I smoked. I can remember almost turning green over that.
I would say that sending it to the FDA would not help anybody at this point.
Get a hold of the supplier you bought from and get a new bottle. Probably just too high on the nic. It happens. This isn't a perfect system yet.
I remember smoking analogs. One time i got a carton of menthols that were all full flavors. didn't take notice at first until i realized they tasted way off. Same concept, different product.
Get a hold of the supplier you bought from and get a new bottle. Probably just too high on the nic. It happens. This isn't a perfect system yet.
I remember smoking analogs. One time i got a carton of menthols that were all full flavors. didn't take notice at first until i realized they tasted way off. Same concept, different product.
Yeh and while you're at it, why not just find out the name of the judge who might be deciding on a possible ban and send him a sample too. This really ought to help our cause!
Lu
LOL. We oldtimers all thought the same thing, didn't we? You want a ban? You want a reason to ban? Send that sample to the FDA with your concerns ....
LOL, Thanks for all the "send it to the FDA jokes"!!! I was rolling on the floor laughing my a** off.
I think the bottle was mislabeled and I'm sure that the seller will gladly replacement. I was just curious as to if mislabeled juice happens alot or rarely. (OH, sorry, gotta go-phone call-must be the FDA returning my call!)
I think the bottle was mislabeled and I'm sure that the seller will gladly replacement. I was just curious as to if mislabeled juice happens alot or rarely. (OH, sorry, gotta go-phone call-must be the FDA returning my call!)
My wife got 2 prescriptions with switched labels. Luckily one was liquid and one tablet so it was easy to spot... this time. As with anything dangerous including prescriptions one must take due caution. Sh?t happens, even with highly regulated pharmacies.
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