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Nicotine vs. Caffeine

Discussion in 'Nicotine' started by jennydotz, Feb 28, 2009.

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  1. jennydotz

    jennydotz Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 14, 2009
    West Virginia, USA
    Sorry to bother, but I am completely saturated with medical/chemical info right now, I am a suggestion hypochondriac and if I read anymore I am going to freak myself into a Panic Attack.

    In non-scary terms, what is really the difference between the effects of caffeine vs. nicotine on your system? Is nicotine really more dangerous, or are they similar?
  2. Nuck

    Nuck Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 14, 2009
    Ontario, Canada
  3. jennydotz

    jennydotz Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 14, 2009
    West Virginia, USA
    Thanks Nuck. I will check out the links when I can handle more info:)!
  4. Nuck

    Nuck Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 14, 2009
    Ontario, Canada
    Oops sorry. I should have read your original post a bit more carefully.
  5. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
    If you use nicotine responsibly Jenny it might even be good for you. The main dangers associated with it are the delivery methods, if they are not clean, as with smoke, then there can be problems.

    Nicotine is a vaso constrictor so makes blood vessels shrink, that can cause problems to do with circulation and for men with erectile dysfunction. It's thought to have good side effects for depression, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, psychosis, ADHD and some other conditions.

    I think the danger is in the dose, high amounts raise the likelihood of problems and tolerance, you start to need more for the same effect. Low doses aren't linked with anything harmful that I've heard of yet.
  6. jennydotz

    jennydotz Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 14, 2009
    West Virginia, USA
    Thanks Kate,

    I'm trying to sort out the effects of my personal vaporizer vs. analogs. Totally different. Pack a day for 20 yrs and the low and medium nic liquids, (vaped sparingly) in the PV knocked me on my ...--it's so much "cleaner" (stronger) than cigarettes. I'm down to low mixed with Zero. Seems to be the opposite effect most people experience. As if for me the other crud in the analog have been muting the nic? or could tar prevent my body from absorbing the nic? I'm still craving something from the analogs though. I'm looking into the Harmine.
  7. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
    There really seems to be a mix of experiences with the doses. Some people go straight to 36mg and say it's not enough and some, like you, experience problems with lower doses. Without scientific studies we can only guess what's really happening but I suspect it has a lot to do with tolerance and additives.
  8. LaceyUnderall

    LaceyUnderall Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 4, 2008
    USA and Canada
    jenny - are you smoking analogs at all?

    I ask because from my personal experience, I went from a pack a day to 4-6 per day in a week. Then for the next six months I smoked an 11 mg cart with my 4-6 cigs. Since going tobacco free, I smoke 16mg and smoke the equivalent of 10 cigs a day. In that process, I have noticed that once I removed the tobacco, there was an additive I was missing... that addiction has just about subsided... but I seem to have balanced out.

    As far as caffeine and nicotine, from what I have read, there isn't a difference. The only difference is how it is delivered. For some reason, sodas are acceptable and tobacco cigs are not, even though each lead to bad affects on the body. Soda can do devastating things to children, but for some reason, our society deems that ok. But... then again, we should just give it time because if the prohibitionists get rid of ..., nicotine, and alcohol, they will need SOMETHING to complain about and caffeine will be next.

    From Caffeine and Your Child

    How Caffeine Affects Kids

    In both kids and adults, too much caffeine can cause:

    * jitteriness and nervousness
    * upset stomach
    * headaches
    * difficulty concentrating
    * difficulty sleeping
    * increased heart rate
    * increased blood pressure

    Especially in young kids, it doesn't take a lot of caffeine to produce these effects.

    Other reasons to limit kids' caffeine consumption include:

    * Consuming one 12-ounce (355-milliliter) sweetened soft drink per day increases a child's risk of obesity by 60%.
    * Not only do caffeinated beverages contain empty calories (calories that don't provide any nutrients), but kids who fill up on them don't get the vitamins and minerals they need from healthy sources, putting them at risk for nutritional deficiencies. In particular, kids who drink too much soda (which usually starts between the third and eighth grades) may miss getting the calcium they need from milk to build strong bones and teeth.
    * Drinking too many sweetened caffeinated drinks could lead to dental cavities (or caries) from the high sugar content and the erosion of tooth enamel from acidity. Not convinced that sodas can wreak that much havoc on kids' teeth? Consider this: One 12-ounce (355-milliliter) nondiet, carbonated soft drink contains the equivalent of 10 teaspoons of sugar (49 milliliters) and 150 calories.
    * Caffeine is a diuretic that causes the body to eliminate water (through urinating), which may contribute to dehydration. Whether the amount of caffeine in beverages is enough to actually cause dehydration is not clear, however. It may depend on whether the person drinking the beverage is used to caffeine and how much caffeine was consumed that day. To be on the safe side, it's wise to avoid excessive caffeine consumption in hot weather, when kids need to replace water lost through perspiration.
    * Abruptly stopping caffeine may cause withdrawal symptoms (headaches, muscle aches, temporary depression, and irritability), especially for those who are used to consuming a lot.
    * Caffeine can aggravate heart problems or nervous disorders, and some kids may not be aware that they're at risk.

    Anyone who says that caffeine is not addictive and does not cause withdrawl symptoms is wildly mistaken. As far as I am concerned, caffeine and nicotine should be regarded in the same fashion. Must be 18 to consume.
  9. MyB

    MyB Full Member

    Feb 21, 2009
    Quad Cities, IL, USA
    lacey, i sooooooo agree with you.
  10. jennydotz

    jennydotz Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 14, 2009
    West Virginia, USA
    Kate--Well I feel better to know that you've heard of this and I'm not the only one. I really worry about these folks who can vape 24/7 on those high nic formulas--WOW

    Lacey--Yes I still smoke analogs. I've gone from 1 pack easily to half a pack a day. The best I've ever done, really, after many attempts to quit. Sometimes the PV actually makes me crave an analog! Definitely something missing. I pretty much quit caffeine this summer, though sometimes I will sneak in a bit. Trying to curb anxiety, I guess I'm prone to jitteriness!
  11. LaceyUnderall

    LaceyUnderall Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 4, 2008
    USA and Canada
    Jenny - all I can tell you is that you are on the right track. Your body knows how much nicotine it needs and there will be ups and downs. It took me six months and I tried as hard as I could not to focus on the brand change :) Actually, I lost my e-cig for a two weeks and instead of pulling one from stock... god am I lucky... I went back to analogs. After two weeks of that, I was noticeably sick in many many ways. I was tired. I had nausea. I have a shoulder injury from tennis and it was bothering me more so than usual. My skin was even more pasty than normal (I have fair skin). So I sucked it up, looked for my e-cig and voila! That was it.

    When I was smoking the tobacco, I puffed more. Then when I went completely e-cig, I started dripping and actually treating my e-cig like a cigarette and that is what has worked for me. The e-cig was just too clean for me. I needed to do something more than pick up my smoke and smoke it. (I am a ritual smoker.)

    One day it will just happen for you but either way, you have cut 10 smokes from your daily intake and that my dear is FABULOUS! [​IMG]
  12. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
  13. jasonb

    jasonb Unregistered Supplier

    Mar 3, 2009
    for me it has to be caffine, i love coffee, did you know the brand gamucci even supply coffee flavored electronic cigarette cartridges, how cool is that
  14. need_2quit

    need_2quit Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 5, 2009
    I realize this thread is over a month old, but as a new e-cig vaper that needs to quit analogs...

    As a heavy coffee drinker (black no sugar) as many analog smokers are - coffee and cigs seem to go together....

    Caffeine actually inhibits the absorption of nicotine. I'll see if my history still has the link.

    This made sense to me, because we go through at least 3 pots a day of coffee. Don't drink soda, etc, so this is our only source of caffeine...

    Firing up my new e-cig on friday was not satisfying my urge to smoke. I'm not getting alot of vapor, so I figured that was the cause of not satisfying my nic craving.

    I could smoke an analog, take a few tokes of my e-cig and feel no heart racing, etc. It was like I was getting no nic out of the e-cig.

    I went to the store today and got some 4mg nicorette gum. WHAT a difference! I've only had 2 pieces of gum all day, have had one analog since getting the gum late today, and toke on the e-cig while chewing the gum. Totally satisified.

    Maybe our heavy caffeine use is inhibiting the nic delivery of the e-cig. When I get my order of juice this week and drip enough to get some vapor out of my new e-cig, I'll be able to see what the perfect combo is.

    I know years ago, if I used the patch or chewed nicorette, my heart would go nutz. Now it's taking alot of nic to satisfy the urge with no after effects.

    For each of us it is different, but I swear by the nicorette and lite vaping for myself personally as an aid to quit.
  15. BlkSupra1jzed

    BlkSupra1jzed Full Member

    Apr 13, 2009
    Raleigh, NC
    For me I got my e-cigs saturday and haven't touch a single analog since. It has literally been 48 hours as of this minute I type ha ha ha. I used to be a 1-1 1/2 pack a day smoker. I feel so much more energetic and now I have started the "cough neat things up for 2 weeks" phase. Like need2quit said, each of us are different...not many can just convert 100% right away. I am very fortunate to be able to do so.
  16. TropicalBob

    TropicalBob Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2008
    Port Charlotte, FL USA
    Glad you found a combination that works for you, Need. But it's a tad expensive. Read over the Alternatives section to learn about snus, dissolvable tobacco pellets, nasal snuff, Firebreak nicotine gum, etc. These are all much cheaper, and all can be used in combo with your e-cig. I know ... I use 'em all.
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