But the question is using MaxxFusion cartos with "bad" additives or using another product of similar quality without them. It is not between MF cartos and analogs.
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I would beg to differ that you only "suspect" a "bad additive" and that you are "assuming" that the other brands don't have any. I would postulate that the risk is similar for all Chinese manufactured components and further, that having Leaford over there increases the chance that you will get a better product from bloog than from some other company without any onsite quality control.
I apologize that my point was not clear. I was not suggesting that there was definitely a bad additive in Bloog cartos. That is why I used this --> "bad".
The point that I was trying to make is this:
You suggested that even if there is an additive or potential negative health risk with the Bloog cartos they would still be better than smoking analogs. I was making the point that everyone's concern was not whether the cartos were better than analogs but whether the product could be improved or whether there is an "ideal" product that would have fewer or no risks.
I am not assuming anything. I was talking possibilities, about the question to be addressed. I didn't point to an answer.
The point that I was trying to make is this:
You suggested that even if there is an additive or potential negative health risk with the Bloog cartos they would still be better than smoking analogs. I was making the point that everyone's concern was not whether the cartos were better than analogs but whether the product could be improved or whether there is an "ideal" product that would have fewer or no risks.
I am not assuming anything. I was talking possibilities, about the question to be addressed. I didn't point to an answer.
I will go ahead and clarify too then. I believe that there is a risk of this type with any of these products. My opinion is that there is no lowering of this risk in choosing to buy from any of the other brands or vendors. Even "IF" there were such an issue with the Bloogs, I am unsure how you would think any other brand would have any less risk attached to it. They are all manufactured overseas. Many in the same factories, by the same people. In many cases, the labeling is the only difference in the product. My position is that I accept these risks and justify this by reminding myself that I was (without any doubt) literally poisoning myself with many more "known" dangerous chemicals for decades and have greatly reduced the risk to my health by choosing vaping instead.
Exactly! Which is why I've got three different types of cartos on order. I'll see what's in them and pray they are 1/2 as good as the bloog. I'll buy bloog batteries but not the cartos until I see at least the coil distanced from the silicone. It's a simple change to eliminate a risk factor, no matter how small, that should not be there. I suggested in another thread that a perpendicular cut for the wick could achieve that, plus a little longer leads.
Yes, we may be assuming other cartos don't have any. Trust me, I'll find out.
One of cartos I ordered removed silicone adhesive due to complaints about taste. However, it is known, not suspected, that hot silicone releases formaldehyde, let alone scorched silicone. The thermal breakdown chart shows that. We still don't know what is in the adhesive (it's not clear).We all decide our own level of risk. Personally, I'm not comforted by "it's not very much", "it's far less than a cig", etc. Others may be, and that's perfectly fine. I know those are true statements. Who knows, if everything else is worse, maybe I'll buy more bloog cartos.
You can find threads where people disassembled the other "popular" cartos (there are a few different designs floating around) and see what's in them. Oddly, the ones I've seen don't have silicone so near the coil as the Bloog's, although after five disassemblies I've only seen the small scorch marks on BMF cartos, and no burnt filler (unlike some of the competition).
I, too, ordered some competing cartos to compare, but haven't received them yet.
So then business as usual!
So sorry, I had to say that as a dig at Red. Don't lynch me, everyone else.
I, too, ordered some competing cartos to compare, but haven't received them yet.
So then business as usual!
So sorry, I had to say that as a dig at Red. Don't lynch me, everyone else.
You guys should drop us a note and a comparison, as you see what everyone else is doing with them. You seem to have amazing tinker's skills and decent photography skills to boot. You can be our QC/product reviewers, since most of us simply don't have your abilities. We might have to do it in a generic thread though. There are some rules about discussing other vendors' products in a vendor's subforums.
Though I can't imagine that Leaford wouldn't gobble up any intel that you acquired like breakfast after a bender. lol
Though I can't imagine that Leaford wouldn't gobble up any intel that you acquired like breakfast after a bender. lol
If you know Leaford's history, he knows the design of their cartos. It's pretty common knowledge anyway.
Well V4L's anyway. They buy off the same companies in China that everyone else does though. Each has their sponsored brand. But, the parts are shopped from the lowest bidding factory that makes the needed pieces/parts. They all change manufacturers and/or suppliers from time to time to save money or tweak a product design.
Adhesives, silicone compositions, wire composition... things are changed due to price, availability, etc.
Adhesives, silicone compositions, wire composition... things are changed due to price, availability, etc.
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That part I really do admire. I dumped the boge (V4L) cartos immediately after I disassembled a burnt tasting one. I found the same burnt filler in pics online, so I moved to bloog because they were praised a burn proof carto. In all respects but the silicone, and maybe the tube if it's impregnated, I am really amazed how well these hold up. They could easily be great cartos.
In the meantime, I bought some of the original cartos these are based off because people claim they don't have adhesive and silicone by the coil, and two tank-based cartos one of which has no filling. I think nyc dropped a hint that bloog is coming out with one too. I'm in wait and see mode.
nono if you mean the kangers, they have adhesive too. dont know what the o ring is, rubber or silicone. I wrote somewhere i didnt see adhesive but a couple posts down, i corrected my mistake.
I'm on boges... some 2,8's. Had to up my niclevel to 10 to get somthin out of it..... sucks.... When boges go burnt the really burn.... so much I cough half a lung up if i accidently vape one dry..... bvadr..
I'm on boges... some 2,8's. Had to up my niclevel to 10 to get somthin out of it..... sucks.... When boges go burnt the really burn.... so much I cough half a lung up if i accidently vape one dry..... bvadr..
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UPDATE: My Bloog Order finally came in. Original Order was placed on 3/4/11- Rec'd today 3/19/11- 2 weeks and no sample cartos for my patience? V4L always sends me free samples. Ok the new Maxx Fusion Batt is damned SWEET looking, I got the red, its got a rubbery lining over it, at least that is what it feels like. Its a little heavier than my V4L XL, believe it or not. I like the fact I can hold it like a regular analog, Ive been missing that part a lot. I put it on my KR808 charger, it must have been precharged because the green light came on in 10mins. Ive never used an Automatic Batt before so this is new to me, but I just took 1 pull and it was right there, not heavy but the vaper was there. Im a double puller, I seem to pull once then immediately pull a second time. I dont why I do this, I never double pull with analogs?????
It works ok with my 808 cartos but works best with its own carto. Cant see a difference in the battery or carto threads, everything looks the same right down the same number of holes in the batt. Perhaps my 808 carto is almost out. I also got a pack of their Reds 11mg, in my constant quest to find a real tobacco flavor. Im telling you, its very close to a Marlboro with that sweet thing going. When I took off the top condom, the soft top came off with it and seems it would come off easily if you put it in your pocket so be careful.
Well thats my Update and I guess a mini review. I dont know how long the charge will last with this MaxxFusion, I will post back.
V4L always sends me free samples. Ok the new Maxx Fusion Batt is damned SWEET looking, I got the red, its got a rubbery lining over it, at least that is what it feels like. Its a little heavier than my V4L XL, believe it or not. I like the fact I can hold it like a regular analog, Ive been missing that part a lot. I put it on my KR808 charger, it must have been precharged because the green light came on in 10mins. Ive never used an Automatic Batt before so this is new to me, but I just took 1 pull and it was right there, not heavy but the vaper was there. Im a double puller, I seem to pull once then immediately pull a second time. I dont why I do this, I never double pull with analogs????? It works ok with my 808 cartos but works best with its own carto. Cant see a difference in the battery or carto threads, everything looks the same right down the same number of holes in the batt. Perhaps my 808 carto is almost out. I also got a pack of their Reds 11mg, in my constant quest to find a real tobacco flavor. Im telling you, its very close to a Marlboro with that sweet thing going. When I took off the top condom, the soft top came off with it and seems it would come off easily if you put it in your pocket so be careful.
Well thats my Update and I guess a mini review.
I dont know how long the charge will last with this MaxxFusion, I will post back.I think the double-pull habit is left over from needing to do that on other style batteries, the primer puff to get it started - oh wait, you said this is your first auto...hmmm no idea about that then, LOL. I also have mixed results trying to use non-BMF cartos. Some fit and work just fine, others not so much. And I've had a few of the tops come off while taking off the condom - some fit snugger than others.
Well good luck and hope you enjoy it
Well good luck and hope you enjoy it
I have to double-pull on the riv4l cartos, because it seems they have to 'heat up' a bit before you get a decent vape, but it's really not necessary at all on BMF cartos.
New batteries last a really long time. After a while, that time will come down as the batteries age, but they still last me 2-3 hours.
New batteries last a really long time. After a while, that time will come down as the batteries age, but they still last me 2-3 hours.
Wow this was some thread. I too just received my bloog order and totally love it, I like their Red Cartos also. Im going to get their passthrough also. I hear its a killer. I guess its time to put this thread to bed. LOL.
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