'No E-cigs in the building'

[stevegmu]

Enough people don't want vaping where smoking is not allowed, so restrictions pass. If one feels they are not legal restrictions, then they can sue to overturn the restrictions. Given that has not happened, my guess is most vapers don't feel so strongly about the restrictions, they know the restrictions are legal, or that some are simply internet warriors...

 

[spartanstew]

No not at all a fart smells bad and vapor smells good or not at all,

Your vapor smells good to YOU. Not necessarily to everyone else.

no more noticeable than someones breath and that can be bad, but do we object to them breathing their germs and bad breath, no!

Yes, I do object to that. If I knew a restaurant catered to people with bad breath, I doubt I'd eat there either.

If a person is sitting there puffing on a nicotine inhaler does anyone say anything no because you cannot see the vapor they are expelling and it contains the same nicotine as vapor, just because you can't see it does not mean it is not there and the only difference is you can see vapor but that does not make it harmful so why shouldn't we vape

A nicotine inhaler doesn't produce any odor. That seems to be the key piece you're missing.

 

[warrior3995]

The whole thread is about vaping where it is not allowed. Smokers can wait, but it seems many vapers can not...

No you are missing the point, we should not have to wait there is no just reason why we should!

 

[spartanstew]

No you are missing the point, we should not have to wait there is no just reason why we should!

Many reasons have been given, you just choose to ignore them or not accept them.

 

[stevegmu]

No you are missing the point, we should not have to wait there is no just reason why we should!

More people don't want it than do. It looks like smoking; we live in a society which doesn't particularly like smoking or that which looks like smoking. That's it...

 

[warrior3995]

Your vapor smells good to YOU. Not necessarily to everyone else.



Yes, I do object to that. If I knew a restaurant catered to people with bad breath, I doubt I'd eat there either.



A nicotine inhaler doesn't produce any odor. That seems to be the key piece you're missing.

No I am not missing the point, I agree if the owner of the establishment does not want me to vape fine and I can choose to stay or go, but I will not stand by and let regulation be set for everywhere without just reason, vaper is proven to be harmless and I refuse to be stuck out in harmful secondhand smoke. It should be left up to the management's choice and if people like you do not like people vaping inside then you can choose to stay or go. But the reality is vaping is no more harmful than breathing and the only comment I have ever got about the scent from vaping is it smells sweet like candy and not overpowering at all.

 

[spartanstew]

No I am not missing the point, I agree if the owner of the establishment does not want me to vape fine

This thread is about a restaurant that decided not to allow vaping, so what are you arguing about?

 

[stevegmu]

No I am not missing the point, I agree if the owner of the establishment does not want me to vape fine and I can choose to stay or go, but I will not stand by and let regulation be set for everywhere without just reason, vaper is proven to be harmless and I refuse to be stuck out in harmful secondhand smoke. It should be left up to the management's choice and if people like you do not like people vaping inside then you can choose to stay or go. But the reality is vaping is no more harmful than breathing and the only comment I have ever got about the scent from vaping is it smells sweet like candy and not overpowering at all.

It sounds like you need to seek 'justice' through the court system...

 

[AndriaD]

For me I would say no. The other day I had to take my dog to a specialist that was a good half an hour away from my house and since he doesn't do well in the car my Dad offered to drive me while I kept the dog calm. Since my Dad doesn't smoke I left my vape at home so an hour in the car stressed with a dog and and an two hours at the specialist. I never would've went three hours without cigarettes but didn't even flinch at being away from vaping that long.

I would've been lighting up as soon as we got out of the car on the way into the appointment, and as soon as we were outside on the way to the car. Could I have brought my mod and puffed it a few times at the same time I would have smoked sure but I just felt I didn't need to.

For me, vaping is just a direct replacement -- I would refrain from vaping in someone's car if they asked, but yeah I'd have vaped at all the times I would formerly have smoked. My feelings of "niccing out" may not be quite as intense and desperate as they used to be, but they are still there. Perhaps that will change, the longer I am away from smoking. For now, I'm not taking any chances, nor going anywhere without my vape. But certainly I can refrain from vaping in the public places where I refrained from smoking, and even a dedicated vaper like me has zero problem with no-vaping in a restaurant, per my feelings about other peoples' smelly stuff they wear on their persons. But the fact remains that in many places where smoking is verboten, vaping should not be -- such as ANY outdoor venue. Give those pesky ANTZ one MILLIMETER and they will feel entitled to 50 miles.

Andria

 

[spartanstew]

lol, you're saying vapor is odorless?

Me thinks you should re-educate yourself on the matter, as this is the first I've heard of it.

But you do win the award for most absurd post of the thread, so congratulations for that.

 

[warrior3995]

It sounds like you need to seek 'justice' through the court system...

Yes and I am willing to stand with those who are entering the battle in the courts for our rights. Are You? But as stated maybe this not the thread to be discussing that but then when I see the complacency it bugs me because I saw it as ANTZ moved the smokers outside and then more and now listen to the smokers that were so complacent about it whine about it now.
We all have some value of decency and common courtesy but if we do not stand together and shove back a little before you know it every establishment will be posting no vaping signs and not by their own choice but by the choice of regulation by ANTZ and others without any real reason for this regulation. I like visiting at the vape shop and vaping with my friends there and sitting in vape friendly establishments that are here now and looking forward to vaping out on decks at vape friendly places but if we do not speak out and fight for that right it will be taken from us. So the choice is yours, you can join the fight or help lay the paving stones to over regulation. I post the links to show the truth and the truth is that vaping should even be acceptable in hospitals, they really have no scientific argument to restrict vaping, in reality if it were about health they would hand out ecigs to smokers like condoms to prostitutes and encourage us to use them.
Sorry but it just gets me going when I see VAPERS agreeing with ANTZ policies and tactics.

 

[caramel]

Warrior - you should be aware that as with most popular forums, there are shills and trolls here too.

 

[stevegmu]

Yes and I am willing to stand with those who are entering the battle in the courts for our rights. Are You? But as stated maybe this not the thread to be discussing that but then when I see the complacency it bugs me because I saw it as ANTZ moved the smokers outside and then more and now listen to the smokers that were so complicate about it whine about it now.
We all have some value of decency and common courtesy but if do not stand together and shove back a little before you know it every establishment will be posting no vaping signs and not by their own choice but by the choice of regulation by ANTZ and others without any real reason for this regulation. I like visiting at the vape shop and vaping with my friends there and sitting in vape friendly establishments that are here now and looking forward to vaping out on decks at vape friendly places but if we do not speak out and fight for that right it will be taken from us. So the choice is yours, you can join the fight or help lay the paving stones to over regulation. I post the links to show the truth and the truth is that vaping should even be acceptable in hospitals, they really have no scientific argument to restrict vaping, in reality if it were about health they would hand out ecigs to smokers like condoms to prostitutes and encourage us to use them.
Sorry but it just gets me going when I see VAPERS agreeing with ANTZ policies and tactics.

No. I don't need to vape everywhere; I'm not so addicted. I was a smoker. I don't view being able to vape anywhere as a right; neither a natural nor legal right. Society dictates where I can vape when out in public...

 

[Mud Pie]

If the parking sign says, "No Parking After 6 pm"....I don't park there at 7 pm. If the store sign says, "Open until 9 pm"... I don't walk in at 8:55 and expect/demand to shop for two hours. If the sign says, "No e-cigs, no vaping." I don't vape. What's the issue ? A meal takes, what, 30 min to an hour ? If you have to vape that bad, excuse yourself and step outside. When have my fellow vapors embraced this sense of entitlement to where we should be able to do whatever we want, whenever we want, store owners rules be dammed ? Exactly WHY should we be allowed to vape in a restaurant ? "Because we want to" is a infantile defense.... Not going into an establishment because they don't allow vaping is akin to "It's my ball, if I can't be captain I'm going home".

I enjoy my vape. But I refuse to let it decide for me where I'll dine.

 

[mojofilter]

My wife and I went for dinner last night at a restaurant that specializes in chicken wings. There was a sign on the door that said "no smoking or e-cigarettes," That was the first time I've ever seen one of those. So I didn't take out my vaping equipment inside the building.

We now return to our regular argument, already in progress.

 

[caramel]

If the parking sign says, "No Parking After 6 pm"....I don't park there at 7 pm. If the store sign says, "Open until 9 pm"... I don't walk in at 8:55 and expect/demand to shop for two hours. If the sign says, "No e-cigs, no vaping." .

How about a "No parking for vapers" sign?

 

[AngelicTomPetty]

and the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply.......

 

[stevegmu]

If vaping is controlling one's life, maybe vaping is the real issue, rather than vaping restrictions. Just like on my travel forum, where there are tourists who want to go to Prague, but won't because restaurants and pubs have the choice of whether to allow smoking or not. They want smoking to be banned and won't go to Prague until the CR conforms to their standards...

 

[warrior3995]

Warrior - you should be aware that as with most popular forums, there are shills and trolls here too.

Thanks Caramel, I am aware of the trolls but when they get me going I love to put it right back at them and also I know other true vapers read what is being said and I can only hope that it moves more of the people into action. Sometimes the trolls can do more damage to their own cause by being here debating if we use the truth agaist their arguments . I am not only an x smoker but a recovered alcoholic and you have to remember arguing with an alcoholic is like wresting with a pig in the mud, after a while you start to realize the pig kind of likes it! LOL

 

[ReigntheGamer]

My wife and I went for dinner last night at a restaurant that specializes in chicken wings. There was a sign on the door that said "no smoking or e-cigarettes," That was the first time I've ever seen one of those. So I didn't take out my vaping equipment inside the building.

We now return to our regular argument, already in progress.

Oh hell no!!!! You should've left that place in the rear view and drove around for goodness knows how long till you found a vape friendly establishment. You allowed the chicken wing ANTZ to win shame on you! /sarcasm off