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SimianSteam

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No. I won't support CASSA. They partner with NORML. I don't want that associated with e-nic.

Sigh... I gotta agree with the others on this one, dude (though not in such an aggressive way as some). No way CASAA would partner with a organization dedicated to proliferating drugs that are currently illegal. They're way too image conscious for that.
 

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The personal attacks are completely unnecessary, and need to stop.

As has been said before, just because something isn't harmful doesn't mean it's not a disturbance. Talking on a cell phone isn't harmful, but it's been banned in some places because it's a disturbance. Why is it so difficult to see that exhaling clouds of an unidentifiable substance into the air causes a disturbance? Why is your comfort more important than those around you?

The Patriots fought to be free. That's not freedom to do whatever the hell you want, it's freedom to not have to put up with crap as well. By your reasoning the Revolutionary War was fought entirely for your comfort, not the 20 people around you that don't want to inhale the cloud you're visibly exhaling.

Since you have only been on this forum for a few months, I will try to be patient with you. As all the vets on ECF know, I advocate vaping openly but respectfully and with common sense. I don't advocate vaping in a manner that "disturbs" others by producing clouds of vaper. But your comment appears to indicate that the mere sight of someone vaping in public such as on a park bench could disturb some random person and thus we should be sure to never let anyone actually see us vape.

If that is what you mean, then your concept of personal freedom and mine is completely different.
 

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Since you have only been on this forum for a few months, I will try to be patient with you. As all the vets on ECF know, I advocate vaping openly but respectfully and with common sense. I don't advocate vaping in a manner that "disturbs" others by producing clouds of vaper. But your comment appears to indicate that the mere sight of someone vaping in public such as on a park bench could disturb some random person and thus we should be sure to never let anyone actually see us vape.

If that is what you mean, then your concept of personal freedom and mine is completely different.

Just because I've only been registered here a short time doesn't mean that I'm new to ECF. I've been browsing the forum since 2010, and declined to join due to the often hostile environment I observed. I felt like it wasn't a place where someone could speak without being attacked, and didn't want to subject myself to that. Recently I'd observed a downturn in that behaviour due to some excellent moderation and decided to go ahead and jump in.

As for my views, no, I do not feel vaping on an isolated park bench is disruptive, but I also know what happens when you leave the discretion of what is 'isolated' to individuals. There will always be those who will take a little bit of freedom and run with it until it pisses off everyone around them.

Rising population means a decrease in personal freedoms. It's a fact, and something that we're all going to have to learn with. Respect used to be something that people just had, but unfortunately it's increasingly becoming something that must be enforced.

As for the 'patience' remark... if you're unable to converse respectfully with people due to your own personal frustration with their point of view then maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for a bit. While I may disagree with some member's perspectives I endeavor to be respectful in answering them (sometimes unsuccessfully, I admit.) without having that respect enforced by a moderator.
 

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I totally support no eCigs in public places where smoking is banned ... I take public transit and will vape in a bus shelter if I am the only person there ... however, if others show up ... I take it outside.

We as society have moved forward in many positive ways ... they may have banned smoking for the dangers of second hand smoke and not for the smell ... however, the smell is horrible, and I am glad smoking has been banned to the outdoors.

Vaping will be regulated one day ... and that includes vaping indoors ... the majority of people do not want to smell others exhaling smelly vape.
 

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while there are a lot of good points being brought up there is a need to consider other people around you
but as an ex serviceman I have served those people to protect those freedoms at great risk to my life so
I do feel very strongly that my rights to freedom and liberty are just as good as there,s so when certain
people make comments about they should not have to put up with plumes of vaper you are obviously far
better at vaping than me I only produce small puffs of vaper it makes me say what about my rights what
about all the things these people do that hack me off and I put up with it because that's life
 

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I totally support no eCigs in public places where smoking is banned ... I take public transit and will vape in a bus shelter if I am the only person there ... however, if others show up ... I take it outside.

Sitting at a bus stop inhaling bus fumes and air pollution, I think smelling a little apple pie e-liquid is the least of their worries. :D
 

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Sitting at a bus stop inhaling bus fumes and air pollution, I think smelling a little apple pie e-liquid is the least of their worries. :D

there is not much I can do in preventing everyone from smelling exhaust fumes ... however, I can do my part in not subjecting others to the smell of my Apple Pie vape ... just because I like it ... doesn't mean everyone else does :2cool:
 

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while there are a lot of good points being brought up there is a need to consider other people around you
but as an ex serviceman I have served those people to protect those freedoms at great risk to my life so
I do feel very strongly that my rights to freedom and liberty are just as good as there,s so when certain
people make comments about they should not have to put up with plumes of vaper you are obviously far
better at vaping than me I only produce small puffs of vaper it makes me say what about my rights what
about all the things these people do that hack me off and I put up with it because that's life

Thank you for your service!

The problem with the discussions on this topic, is they typical devolve, by those who want vapers to act just like smokers, into using extreme examples to make a point (big plumbs of vapor; blowing vapor in someones face, etc). Whenever I see the "big plumbs of vapor" statement, I know that the poster has no issue with severe restrictions and bans on vaping. They also either have not done the research to understand who is behind and why there are proposed restrictions or they just ignore the truth. It has nothing to do with rude vapors, although you would think by reading the posts of some on ECF, there is a band of rude vapors circling the country. Vaping was banned nationwide in 2009 before there was probably one vapor every 500 square miles and no one was seen vaping in public.

Vaping openly most places but respectfully and with common sense is what many of us advocate. It seems like you are in that camp. Unfortunately, there are those who believe the mere sight of some one vaping should not be tolerated.
 
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Hi, welcome to ecf.

I think that no vaping signs will become more and more common place and I happen to agree with it. No one should be forced to smell some disgusting pecan-maple ejuice (yes I'm talking to you MBV) when sitting in an enclosed area.

Vape on! Respectfully

I agree totally! For me the point of vaping is to stay off cigarettes not get more rights than smokers. Even though it is safer and smells better than smoking it still is invading someones personal space.
 

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Since you have only been on this forum for a few months, I will try to be patient with you. As all the vets on ECF know, I advocate vaping openly but respectfully and with common sense. I don't advocate vaping in a manner that "disturbs" others by producing clouds of vaper. But your comment appears to indicate that the mere sight of someone vaping in public such as on a park bench could disturb some random person and thus we should be sure to never let anyone actually see us vape.

If that is what you mean, then your concept of personal freedom and mine is completely different.
What a laughable, incongruent response.

You advocate that we should act like vaping and smoking are exactly the same. You equate vaping openly in public but respectfully as a "public disturbance" when it is not done in a smoking area. So according to you, when I vape on the park bench at the local park where smoking is prohibited, I am creating a "public disturbance" and I'm just an inconsiderate d-bag.

So anyone who vapes publicly but respectfully and with common sense but not in a designated smoking area is a d-bag. And the fact that it has been proven that there is no harm to others from second-hand vapor is not important. And providing the perception to the uninformed that smoking and vaping are the same and equally dangerous is also not important.

If you are not just a "troll" from the ANTZ camp, you really should consider joining them. Your so-called "logic" blends well with theirs.

As it appears.. If someone disagrees with you, he's either a troll/ANTZ or to new on the forum for his opinion to count.

So let me gladly disagree with you one more time.

Vaping on an somewhat isolated park bench is fine... Hell... smoking on an park bench is fine with me. But as it has been pointed out to you, if you give a inch people will take a mile and they will start vaping anywhere like douchebags, it's already happening. That's why a line must be drawn, don't vape where you can't smoke.

Do you really think that vaping where smoking is not allowed will educate non vapers about vaping? Please....

Only one thing will educate the general public about vaping and that is time. When the real data comes out, in 30 years or so, when real, long term scientific data will be available, not just a single research that says second hand vapor is fine. When lung cancer will be on a decline and directly linked to vaping..... Then we will have the right to vape where smoking is not allowed... Until then, we have to suck it up, draw between the lines and be happy that we have found a good alternative to smoking. We should talk to every body about vaping... Not shove it in their faces.

Edit: we should focus on the real battles, like exaggerated regulations. Vaping in public should be the least of our worries.
 
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As it appears.. If someone disagrees with you, he's either a troll/ANTZ or to new on the forum for his opinion to count.

So let me gladly disagree with you one more time.

Vaping on an somewhat isolated park bench is fine... Hell... smoking on an park bench is fine with me. But as it has been pointed out to you, if you give a inch people will take a mile and they will start vaping anywhere like douchebags, it's already happening. That's why a line must be drawn, don't vape where you can't smoke.

Do you really think that vaping where smoking is not allowed will educate non vapers about vaping? Please....

Only one thing will educate the general public about vaping and that is time. When the real data comes out, in 30 years or so, when real, long term scientific data will be available, not just a single research that says second hand vapor is fine. When lung cancer will be on a decline and directly linked to vaping..... Then we will have the right to vape where smoking is not allowed... Until then, we have to suck it up, draw between the lines and be happy that we have found a good alternative to smoking. We should talk to every body about vaping... Not shove it in their faces.

Edit: we should focus on the real battles, like exaggerated regulations. Vaping in public should be the least of our worries.

Nailed it! :closedeyes:
 

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Sigh... I gotta agree with the others on this one, dude (though not in such an aggressive way as some). No way CASAA would partner with a organization dedicated to proliferating .... that are currently illegal. They're way too image conscious for that.


You'd think that would be the case, but I actually asked about that here-


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/491811-joining-casaa-when-joining-ecf-3.html

They don't have a formal relationship, but have worked with them and would do so again. I don't remember the call to action in question, but there was coordination between the 2 groups from what I remember.
 

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As it appears.. If someone disagrees with you, he's either a troll/ANTZ or to new on the forum for his opinion to count.

So let me gladly disagree with you one more time.

Vaping on an somewhat isolated park bench is fine... Hell... smoking on an park bench is fine with me. But as it has been pointed out to you, if you give a inch people will take a mile and they will start vaping anywhere like douchebags, it's already happening. That's why a line must be drawn, don't vape where you can't smoke.

Do you really think that vaping where smoking is not allowed will educate non vapers about vaping? Please....

Only one thing will educate the general public about vaping and that is time. When the real data comes out, in 30 years or so, when real, long term scientific data will be available, not just a single research that says second hand vapor is fine. When lung cancer will be on a decline and directly linked to vaping..... Then we will have the right to vape where smoking is not allowed... Until then, we have to suck it up, draw between the lines and be happy that we have found a good alternative to smoking. We should talk to every body about vaping... Not shove it in their faces.

Edit: we should focus on the real battles, like exaggerated regulations. Vaping in public should be the least of our worries.

Thank you very much for this. I've been careful with what I say since I got my hand slapped in a thread similar to this, but it's nice to know that I am meeting my goal of getting my point across without being insulting.
 

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You'd think that would be the case, but I actually asked about that here-


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/491811-joining-casaa-when-joining-ecf-3.html

They don't have a formal relationship, but have worked with them and would do so again. I don't remember the call to action in question, but there was coordination between the 2 groups from what I remember.

There was coordiantion between the US and USSR, but that certainly didn't mean they were on the same side. When you're dealing with people that are as rabid in their opinions as some in this thread you've got to make sure you've got your facts 100% straight or they'll tear you apart.
 

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Vaping in public places IS the least of MY worries. What I AM worried about, is big corporations (especially tobacco ones) taking over the vaping products and production and reducing my ability to get vaping supplies and juices of my choosing easily and affordably. I don't want to have to buy 5ml of juice for 10 bucks, or be forced to use prefilled cartridges, or only PV's allowed by laws and regulations. I will be fine with vaping at home, in my car, or in designated areas, PROVIDED I get to use what I want how I want it. Just my 2 coppers on the subject. Thank you.
 

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There was coordiantion between the US and USSR, but that certainly didn't mean they were on the same side. When you're dealing with people that are as rabid in their opinions as some in this thread you've got to make sure you've got your facts 100% straight or they'll tear you apart.

True, but in this case, associating vaping with the other would be devastating for vaping. What better way to a ban than to call my ProVari a dual purpose device and legally classify it as paraphernalia? The media would have a field day if they could tie vaping to the other. I don't care if they are on the same side of some legislation; there should be no collaboration nor relationship. If they want to be taken seriously by those outside of California, they wouldn't have nor would ever work with such a group.
 

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True, but in this case, associating vaping with the other would be devastating for vaping. What better way to a ban than to call my ProVari a dual purpose device and legally classify it as paraphernalia? The media would have a field day if they could tie vaping to the other. I don't care if they are on the same side of some legislation; there should be no collaboration nor relationship. If they want to be taken seriously by those outside of California, they wouldn't have nor would ever work with such a group.

I definitely agree, but for the purposes of discussions like this you absolutely need to cite your sources or your going to get jumped on.
 

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