My dad did that for my little brother for kicking a older kids ... that was bullying him and his friend and then went on to assault my brother...3 years younger than the kid and my brother demolished him...it was beautiful lol
No smoking or E-cigs in cars with children in Tempe, AZ
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Need more of that and less of the namby pamby overly sensitive bs. Punch a bully in the nose and he stops bothering you. It's that simple. Lol
This kid wasn't too bright...decided to throw crap at me from a distance and run...I posted up in front of his house on the sidewalk...the coward called the cops and talked a bunch of crap from his window...just last year I chased him in his truck and drifted my crown vic up a curb across an apartment complex front lawn and down a driveway approach and still caught him lmao...the drift wasn't meant to happen but I improvised
Good idea
Although I agree we should get back to vaping... what you guys were talking about is sorta relevant. Part of the problem is that you're a trouble-maker or a conspiracy theorist or (insert some other "bad" label here) if you question authority.
I say we question the hell out of 'em - WHAT GOOD REASON IS THERE TO BAN VAPING IN CARS WITH CHILDREN? GIVE ME FACTS, NOT FEELINGS, OR OPINIONS, OR "well, it hasn't been proven to be safe." Since when is that the standard for anything? Why is vaping held to a different standard than anything else on the market?
I say we question the hell out of 'em - WHAT GOOD REASON IS THERE TO BAN VAPING IN CARS WITH CHILDREN? GIVE ME FACTS, NOT FEELINGS, OR OPINIONS, OR "well, it hasn't been proven to be safe." Since when is that the standard for anything? Why is vaping held to a different standard than anything else on the market?
I agree...the burden of proof should fall on them to prove that it is unsafe not on us to prove that it is safe...you want to ban something then it's on you to prove the "reason" why...oh and for the "insert bad label here" part how does "practitioner of free and rational thought" sound? Lol
Being a parent I would think the well proven fact that children imitate their parents and often follow in their parents footsteps and develop the same bad habits and addictions would be more than enough reason for any parent that cared about their child and didn't want their child to take up vaping themselves. I know my 13 year old daughter will almost certainly try ecigs soon and probably start vaping specifically because I do it and she's smelled it and she likes what she's smelled. At least she's open and honest enough with me to have asked if she could try mine to see what it tasted like rather than grabbing it and taking a few puffs when I'm not looking. But at 13 years old she wants to vape, and the reason she wants to vape is because I do.
That aside, I can name several ingredients in flavorings and coloring that have proven health risks when it comes to inhalation. Diacetyl, used for butter flavoring is a biggie that causes permanent lung damage, often referred to as "Popcorn lung". Diacetyl substitutes have been shown to have similar toxic effects. Many bakery flavors and some candy flavored eliquids will include either diacetyl or one of it's substitutes. For example, you can't make a really good toffee or custard without a little butter flavoring.
These are proven health risks. It's much easier to ban ecig use than it would be to ban using specific flavors unless you give the police the right to take your ecig and have the liquids tested.
My parents didn't smoke, but I did, so it's not all about copying your parents.
I really don't mean this next part to be rude, so please don't take it that way. At 13 years old, do you not feel comfortable talking to your daughter and explaining to her the questionable risks about vaping that make you feel it would be best if she didn't try it? I mean it's hard not to be hypocritical, I do this, and I really enjoy it, but I don't want you doing it. Have you talked to her about the chemicals that can pose dangers, and that you accept them for yourself as a risk because you feel smoking would be worse?
ETA: they're not really proven health risks, they are in an industrial setting, but not at the levels that we would be exposed to. Not saying they're harmless, but different degrees of exposure.
Actually, the diacetyl scare was because 30 people got popcorn lung. 29 of them worked in a popcorn factory (or some other similar factory - don't remember exact details now). I also read that all (or nearly all?) of them were heavy smokers. Cigarette smoke contains diacetyl, in higher concentrations than found in vapor.
So millions of smokers have been inhaling diacetyl for years, but no popcorn lung outside of the industry (except that one - and I don't know details). No popcorn lung in a vaper (yeah, I know, it takes years, but still...)
Once I'd done the research, and realized how miniscule the risk is (I have a better chance of being struck by lightning!) I decided diacetyl was a non-issue for me. And as far as 2nd hand vapor, studies have shown that there are no detectable levels of anything dangerous.
So again, I say prove the harm BEFORE you ban something. In the case of vaping, they cannot prove harm without cheating.
what you said is true but,not everywhere. if the local district attorney's use gun violations as there through out charge in plea bargains to get convictions it sort of negates what the federal authorities can do.
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While you could get fined for it, they can't pull you over specifically for it. You have to be doing another infraction that would allow them to stop you legally. Vaping has a chance to be exempt from this law aswell if enough studys are presented to that council to sway a few more members asit was not a unanimous decision and with enough facts with references its possible.
At this moment (started at 8am) the FDA is holding it's 3rd and final workshop is to gather scientific information and stimulate discussion among scientists about electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes). Health Effects of E-Cigarettes in Non-Users is being discussed ad nauseum with every study and adverse incident imaginable being presented. If you really want to be aware of the latest. June: A Public Workshop – Electronic Cigarettes and the Public Health you have to register to watch (and there are recorded rebroadcat you can view from yesterday)
There is a big push at all levels from antz groups to medical agendas to governmental agencies locally right up to federal levels to treat/address vaping and e-cigarettes in the exact same manner smoking and cigarettes is currently subject to, as this thread demonstrates, we are already seeing this happening on a daily basis. It's is only going to get worse, if you really care about your vaping rights the best defense is an informed defense and using that knowledge to take a proactive stance and stand up for your rights at every level. CASAA is wonderful but they can't fight all of it for you alone.
There is a big push at all levels from antz groups to medical agendas to governmental agencies locally right up to federal levels to treat/address vaping and e-cigarettes in the exact same manner smoking and cigarettes is currently subject to, as this thread demonstrates, we are already seeing this happening on a daily basis. It's is only going to get worse, if you really care about your vaping rights the best defense is an informed defense and using that knowledge to take a proactive stance and stand up for your rights at every level. CASAA is wonderful but they can't fight all of it for you alone.
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