No vaping in Red Robin

[IMWylde]

Red Robin sucks.

That being said it is not the idea that they dont allow vapes in their place of business that bothers me. Its the intolerance. It's the self importance. Your going to BAN me because I broke a rule once? I'm sorry that just doesnt fly with me.

 

[wolflrv]

I'd also add that one of the reasons i've quit smoking and started vaping is because I'm tired of being a second class citizen. I was a militant smoker..and if it comes to that..I'll probably be a militant vaper too...sorry folks..but somebody has to stand up and fight back..otherwise we're gonna lose more than just our right to smoke/vape/carry guns/vote/own our own homes/etc...where will it end??

 

[cerver7]

IMO, i just get up and go outside with the smokers. I would think you would get questions like "wtf is that" or "what in sam hell are you doing, sucking on a battery?" Answer those questions and educate others, who knows you might convert a few


-cheers

 

[VapingRulz]

I vape, and if I go into a restaurant to have a meal and the guy two tables down pulls out his 20 gigawatt mega jackhammer PV and starts blowing clouds of vapor around the restaurant, I and the other 100 patrons will complain to management. Watch how fast it gets banned.

The PV users are the ones who need to be educated.

I've never seen a vaper in a restaurant. My guess is that most people, myself included, are stealth vaping in public places.

I think it's safe to assume that jerks exist everywhere. Most vapers will not be toting around "20 gigawatt mega.. whatevers."

 

[VapingRulz]

IMO, i just get up and go outside with the smokers. I would think you would get questions like "wtf is that" or "what in sam hell are you doing, sucking on a battery?" Answer those questions and educate others, who knows you might convert a few

I don't want to go outside with the smokers because:

• I'm not smoking
• I don't want to be around the 2nd-hand smoke
• I don't want to stink like cigarettes

If vapers insist on classifying themselves as smokers, they will be treated as such. I refuse to consider myself a smoker. I am a vaper who used to smoke, but quit.

 

[pdssoft]

I've never seen a vaper in a restaurant. My guess is that most people, myself included, are stealth vaping in public places.

You obviously haven't read through this thread and others like it...

 

[pdssoft]

I don't want to go outside with the smokers because:

A. I'm not smoking - Correct, you're vaping, which produces a "smoke" like emission of vapor that violates an individual's personal space.

B. I don't want to be around the 2nd-hand smoke - Then stand somewhere else.

C. I don't want to stink like cigarettes - (see option B)

Everyone seems to think vaping is legal, it's not... It's simply not Illegal... yet.

 

[JustKryssi]

I see the points of the previous two posters. I also don't vape in restaurants, enclosed spaces etc.

BUT, standing away from the smokers is not always a viable option. In Disney, the smoking areas are small and, even though outside, reek of secondhand smoke.

The only way I have found around this was to stop vaping nicotine, which is not an option for everyone. This way, if I feel I want to vape, and it's convenient, I do and if not...I wait. It's hard to do when that psychological urge hits, but at least I don't get the non-focusing, light headed feeling of a nic fit.

 

[pdssoft]

BUT, standing away from the smokers is not always a viable option. In Disney, the smoking areas are small and, even though outside, reek of secondhand smoke.

So you're more concerned about getting in trouble for openly vaping outside (away from the smokers), then you are about openly vaping in a restaurant?

Well, that's just silly.

 

[JustKryssi]

So you're more concerned about getting in trouble for openly vaping outside (away from the smokers), then you are about openly vaping in a restaurant?

Well, that's just silly.

That's not what I said at all. I don't worry about anything as I don't have an addiction. I prefer not to vape in restaurants, same way I would never smoke in one when it was allowed.

As far as Disney goes, I follow the rules. They don't allow vaping except for smoking sections.

 

[cerver7]

I don't want to go outside with the smokers because:

• I'm not smoking
• I don't want to be around the 2nd-hand smoke
• I don't want to stink like cigarettes

If vapers insist on classifying themselves as smokers, they will be treated as such. I refuse to consider myself a smoker. I am a vaper who used to smoke, but quit.

I understand, but i would go out to try and convert more people so their are less father-less daughters or mother-less sons out there in the world. Plus standing upwind of any smoker, you will not inhale 2nd hand or smell. just keep your distance.

I have always been the type to try and show people things and perspectives that they would not ordinarily see. if i can get one stranger to go to V4L and buy something and use that to help them quit, then i feel that i have helped at least one person and i gave back to the world.

/corny mode off.

-cheers

 

[AllCoExPat]

When I can't vape, I snus. No smoking section, no telltale puff to give me away, no spittoon needed. Perfectly discreet and I can get my fix anywhere. Good times.

 

[GregH]

Ya know, this very same argument was going on when I first joined ECF over a year ago. Some things never change.

People need to realize that vaping is not a right. It was true a year ago, and it's still true now that we're holding on to our privilege to vape by a thread. And very powerful organizations are working very hard to take that privilege away from us.

Being militant about vaping wherever and whenever we please is going to do nothing but turn more of the public against us. And we have enough enemies as it is. I, personally, don't like being forced outside (especially in rain or in winter) or being relegated to a smoking area either. But I still contend this is not the time to wage that particular battle when we have so many other concerns to deal with.

True there are no offensive odors or second-hand smoke or side-stream smoke, but the same can be said about blowing Magic Bubbles. I can guarantee you that if someone started blowing them in a restaurant, they are going to be told to stop. If you start doing that at a table next to me, I'm going to tell you to stop. It's just plain rude. So we will always have that argument against us. Like a previous poster mentioned, some of these PVs emit enormous clouds of vapor. I know mine does. So at what point does it become more of a nuisance to neighbors? Where is the line to be drawn? Again, I think this battle is better saved once we have our basic vaping privileges secured.

If you want to vape indoors at someone else's establishment, ask if it's OK first. It's common courtesy! And you might be able to work in an educational opportunity. Just do not assume that it's your God-given right and then get all indignant when told to stop.

 

[GregH]

And I agree with most posters on here. I too can wait for a vape. I just wanted to educate them that it is NOT smoking. They didn't even want to listen. Which is fine. I don't have a problem with waiting until I get done with my meal and go outside. HOWEVER, I also have a right to choose whether to grace their establishment or not. Many vapers want to know what restaurant they can vape freely in and which one they can't. My original post was meant to inform that it is a no-no to vape at Red Robin. Don't take it any other way! geez people. Calm down! If trying to educate a company is going to get vaping banned, why bother trying altogether. Why not just close up the CASAA and tell the FDA to do what they want? Sometimes some of you people read WAY too much into things.

By the time I read through the entire thread last night, I was a bit worked up over this 'militant vaper' talk and forgot what the OP actually said. IMO, tazzmann, I think you handled the situation perfectly. You asked first and respected their policy while there. I'm all for educating others, both individuals and corporations, and working towards some sort of system that won't force us back into the smoking corrals. But in the mean time, we're free to show our displeasure with our wallets if we so desire.

 

[The Bobarazzi]

I will be testing this out tomorrow at Red Robin in North Olmsted Ohio.

Also:
I was in BW3 last night for the UFC fight and was vaping like a champ. I tried to keep it somewhat discreet...also saw someone else with an e-cig.

I don't produce huge clouds of vapor when I go into places, but I don't hide under the table either. Nobody ever says anything other than asking questions about it. I want everybody I see to ask me about it. If you don't want to be as public but don't want to go outside with the "smokers"...go to the bathroom and vape away.

 

[Elapid]

How will they go about giving you a permanent ban to Red Robins? Are they going to install facial recognition cameras like the Casinos do? Maybe they will have a fingerprint scanner at the door and you can't get in if you have been banned. I think I would have called out that manager saying something that stupid.

 

[brandon555]

I always stealth vape when I'm not in my car or my home. I'll go into a bathroom, or if I'm at the store I'll duck into an empty aisle. I don't want the attention... negative or not...

 

[brandon555]

How will they go about giving you a permanent ban to Red Robins? Are they going to install facial recognition cameras like the Casinos do? Maybe they will have a fingerprint scanner at the door and you can't get in if you have been banned. I think I would have called out that manager saying something that stupid.

If they have money to run those stupid commercials 24/7 I'm sure they have money for facial recognition software

Red Robin... YUMMMMM

 

[tlc]

I completely agree with GregH. Sometimes we vapors tend to forget that a very small percentage of the public even knows what vaping is... and if they do know, they really don't understand the concept. In a perfect world, everyone would be educated about it, but in reality, that's gonna take time. As for Red Robin, it's their business and they can make the rules. It sucks, but it's their right to do so. So-called militant vaping is NOT going to win us any points.

 

[piratecaptainbob]

when the smoking ban started coming into effect i was a big fan of a restaraunts right to choose if they want to allow smoking, not the government dictating it, so im ok with a restaurant saying no to ecigs, its just a matter of business. if smokers cant smoke in any restaurant, then they find e-cigs, and find a restaurant they are allowed to vape in as opposed to one like red robin, which establishment will start losing business? its their loss