No Vaping in Vape Shops

[Traijan]

Los Angeles County already has a similar ordinance. No vaping inside retail establishments unless your B&M was opened before the ordinance's passage in 2013.

Well then it's not very well enforced or at all. I've been into vape shops that only opened at the end of last year and most of them are like walking into the clouds.

I heard something about juice tasting bars but now I can't remember what it was that I'd heard, whether they were being eliminated (due to a law) or if it was that they can't offer you a chair to sit on at the vape bar or what the hell it was but whatever it was, to a vaper it seemed just plain ridiculous.

I could see making a law that prohibits vaping inside of retail establishments but there should be an exception inside of the shop that sells that which you are vaping or vaping on. I mean hell, I vape but I don't want to go into some retail shop to buy some clothes and walk into the cloud where I can barely even see the shirt I'm thinking of buying.

 

[BostonJim]

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[BostonJim]

This is already the case in Framingham, MA. The shop that sold me my first setup can not let people vape inside. I had to take a branded coffee-cup, deposit a dollar to the shop* and proceed to sample flavors outside in 30^F weather back in Feb.

*The city of Framingham will not allow a shop to just "give out" nicotine. This shop is more focused on the "I'm new and want to get into vaping" croud rather than the "My clapton coil isn't hitting well on my mech"-crowd... So they have most of the samples at 3-18mg depending on the flavor. So you have to leave $1 on the counter, ask for the flavors you want, and when you leave, you are refunded the dollar.

<rant>
All the same, it's stupid. I'm a nut enough to go as far as to say that the government should have NO SAY in who bans what from their PRIVATE business. Smoking, drinking, drugs, tea, caffeine, iPhones, Bleach products... NOTHING. It should be up to the business owners to decide what is best for their business, and proceed with rules from there without government interference.

A Free market got smoking banned from restaurants, then (like always) the government stepped in at the last minute and took all the credit.

</rant>

Every time I think about going back home I see something like this and remember why I left in the first place.

 

[crxess]

FREEDOM............at any price...........

 

[GeorgeS]

In Oregon they are considering making vaping illegal anywhere that smoking is. The state has a no smoking in the work place ban with some cigar and hooka shop exceptions. No current exceptions on vape shops.

 

[Liskrig]

Every time I think about going back home I see something like this and remember why I left in the first place.

I hear ya... I just moved to western MA and it's like a completely different state. I mean the taxes are still the same, but the community and environment are different. The cops won't bug you just to bug you, people are genuinely nice... I like it. Not planning on staying here forever though

 

[aerobear109]

So then this is what I can see happening to vape shops...you walk up to a plexiglass window to buy your vape gear and juice and the employees can vape because they are behind the plexiglass window, not exposing the customers to vapor, just like smoke shops.
Give me a freakin break. These stupid lawmakers and exactly that...stupid.

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[Robert Cromwell]

Bars and restaurants here in KY have had outdoor areas for smoking, etc for years.

 

[snork]

Several cities in Colorado have banned vaping in public places, but you can legally smoke "other things".

Not in public places.

 

[jpargana]

Unless they caught someone SMOKING inside a vape shop, that shop should NEVER be considered as failing a SMOKE-free compliance

"Oh, but bureucrats deemed e-cigs as SMOKING products..." Well. I does not make it any more true.

I mean, a greedy Govt, with an high excise tax on alchool, *could* consider NA-beer as an *alchoolic* beverage too, just to recover lost taxes. Because it "resembles beer", and is used "in the same way as beer", and most of all, "because it's making us lose money since people are turning to much cheaper, tax-free NA-beer".

But that's just a stupid thing written on a paper. Alchool does not appear in NA-beer out of thin air, just because some half-witted bureucrat writes down that NA-beer should be taxed, and controlled, as any other "alchoolic" beverage.

 

[FringeChief68]

Several cities in Colorado have banned vaping in public places, but you can legally smoke "other things".

Not in public places.

I think what he was saying is, that for a state that did legalize the other things you think they would be a little more open minded about vaping.
Smoke is bad for you, no matter where or what the smoke is coming from.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

In the United States, beverages containing less than 0.5% alcohol by volume (ABV) are legally called non-alcoholic.

 

[snork]

I think what he was saying is, that for a state that did legalize the other things you think they would be a little more open minded about vaping.
Smoke is bad for you, no matter where or what the smoke is coming from.

Perhaps, but I needed to clarify. There is a misconception that people walk around here in a haze.

In this case the "open mindedness" came from the voters, not the lawmakers. Personally I'd call it trendy stupidity. But at any rate, the legalization of one has no relation to the restriction of the other.

 

[FringeChief68]

But at any rate, the legalization of one has no relation to the restriction of the other.

This is a hard subject to talk about here on ECF and I do understand the rules and why we have them but,
I think it's kind of stupid for people and states to fight for so long to stop people from smoking tobacco and then turn around and legalize and or promote the smoking of anything else.

Almost every person I ever talked to that wanted to start vaping or just was curious about vaping thought that Nicotine and Tobacco were the same thing.
And the phrase Smoking causes Cancer is kinda in the same boat.

Smoking causes cancer, when people hear that phrase their mind goes right to Smoking Tobacco causes cancer and only Tobacco. And this perception is going to get people killed.
Smoking does cause cancer, And it don't matter if it's tobacco, herbs, paper, coal, or wood, if you inhale any smoke, it's bad for you.
So to me, when a state legalizes any form of smoking they are just adding another way for a person to get lung cancer.

I came across a few people that were into some form of Herbalism or smoking some kind of herb, and I would try to talk to them about vaping and they would say,
I don't smoke tobacco I smoke sage and ginseng or whatever they smoke and they would argue that it wasn't tobacco so it's not dangerous
Some would even argue that what they smoked was good for them

So when a State legalizes a form of smoking that was illegal, and after years and years of telling people that tobacco is bad for them, turns around and throws vaping in with their tobacco laws,
what kind of message are people / kids going to take from that?

 

[nitewalkr]

Has no one told them that its not actually smoking, its vaping? Its almost the same thing, one would be doing when he has a severe flu ( putting the Vicks in to boiling water and then sniffing the vapors, ) i may have understated the example here.

 

[FringeChief68]

Here is another article on the subject by Sara Mattison, reporter for KPIC in Oregon.

Indoor Clean Air Act will affect vape shops, e-cigarettes | Local & Regional News | KPIC CBS 4 - News, Weather and Sports - Roseburg, OR

 

[jseah]

Here is another article on the subject by Sara Mattison, reporter for KPIC in Oregon.

Indoor Clean Air Act will affect vape shops, e-cigarettes | Local & Regional News | KPIC CBS 4 - News, Weather and Sports - Roseburg, OR

So since selling any inhalant delivery systems to minors are illegal, then I guess that means if your kid has asthma, then you're out of luck getting the doctor to prescribe albuterol since that would be providing an inhalant delivery system to a minor.

 

[jpargana]

This is a hard subject to talk about here on ECF and I do understand the rules and why we have them but,
I think it's kind of stupid for people and states to fight for so long to stop people from smoking tobacco and then turn around and legalize and or promote the smoking of anything else.

Almost every person I ever talked to that wanted to start vaping or just was curious about vaping thought that Nicotine and Tobacco were the same thing.
And the phrase Smoking causes Cancer is kinda in the same boat.

Smoking causes cancer, when people hear that phrase their mind goes right to Smoking Tobacco causes cancer and only Tobacco. And this perception is going to get people killed.
Smoking does cause cancer, And it don't matter if it's tobacco, herbs, paper, coal, or wood, if you inhale any smoke, it's bad for you.
So to me, when a state legalizes any form of smoking they are just adding another way for a person to get lung cancer.

I came across a few people that were into some form of Herbalism or smoking some kind of herb, and I would try to talk to them about vaping and they would say,
I don't smoke tobacco I smoke sage and ginseng or whatever they smoke and they would argue that it wasn't tobacco so it's not dangerous
Some would even argue that what they smoked was good for them

So when a State legalizes a form of smoking that was illegal, and after years and years of telling people that tobacco is bad for them, turns around and throws vaping in with their tobacco laws,
what kind of message are people / kids going to take from that?

This !!!

I remember reading an article in some blog (Dr Siegel's, maybe?) where the real dangers of this wrong perception was adressed.

Some lady was considered as very anti-tobacco by her co-workers. No-one ever saw her smoking, and she would always warn smokers about the dangers of tobacco smoke (as if smokers did not know already, but well...)

Later, this lady got sick with lung cancer. As it turns out, she regularly smoked *other stuff* on her free time. That's why she *never* smoked in public and by the office, after all. And, seeing how she gave lectures to smokers about their cigarettes, the fact is, she probably believed that *other stuff*, "organic herbs", was much healthier than the demonic tobacco leaf. The blogger was stating that the wrong perception she had, probably given to her by anti-smoking, zealot "health associations", might be what actually killed her.

So, we have gotten to the point where other forms of smoking, just as bad as tobacco, get some degree of leniency from the public's perspective (it's "organic", and "natural", and most of all, it's NOT tobacco, therefore, it must NOT be as dangerous) while at the same time, that same public perpective is all at arms against a product that is neither burnt, neither "tobacco" - unless you would consider lozenges, patches and Nicotrol as "tobacco products" as well.

That's the current situation right now. Smoking is not nearly as dangerous as smoking, and vaping "might" be more dangerous than smoking.

 

[FringeChief68]

House bill aims for less e-cigarette regulation - CBS News

 

[nitewalkr]

"Hidden carcinogen found in e-cigarettes, study finds"...hah hah lol you may get a laugh on this one even after 10 years this joke is funny. A good read regardless.