Your right, but if they don't ask, I don't carry it any further.
No Vaping in Virginia in Public Places
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Your right, but if they don't ask, I don't carry it any further.
I vape anywhere, and I did when I was in Virginia. Here's how:
1) Get a vape that does NOT look like a cigarette. Get silver, black, blue, pink, any color but white.
2) Practice until you know how much vape you can take in without exhaling anything. The lungs absorb all the vape pretty easily with NO irritation.
Then just vape and don't tell anyone you're doing it. I worked at UVa Hospital, and I vaped at my desk, in the halls, in the elevators, on buses, in cabs, in doctors' offices. I vape in stores. Until I tell people otherwise, they think I'm putting a pen in my mouth.
If you use something that looks like a cigarette and you exhale vapor, you're getting in people's faces about what you're doing. Remember, anti-smoking regs have NOTHING to do with health and EVERYTHING to do with judgment and control of others. Yes, I know some vapefolk like to get in people's faces and make an issue of it. Do you want to crusade, or do you want to vape? Both approaches are viable and worthwhile. I choose to vape.
And what do you expect in Virginia? Here is a state that rakes in big bucks from big tobacco and cuts its nose off to spite its face with anti-smoking regulations. The commonwealth legislature is either so selfish that it wants the taxes without granting rights or it's so stupid that it doesn't see that it NEEDS smokers to remain viable. Screw them. Sneak your vapes.
1) Get a vape that does NOT look like a cigarette. Get silver, black, blue, pink, any color but white.
2) Practice until you know how much vape you can take in without exhaling anything. The lungs absorb all the vape pretty easily with NO irritation.
Then just vape and don't tell anyone you're doing it. I worked at UVa Hospital, and I vaped at my desk, in the halls, in the elevators, on buses, in cabs, in doctors' offices. I vape in stores. Until I tell people otherwise, they think I'm putting a pen in my mouth.
If you use something that looks like a cigarette and you exhale vapor, you're getting in people's faces about what you're doing. Remember, anti-smoking regs have NOTHING to do with health and EVERYTHING to do with judgment and control of others. Yes, I know some vapefolk like to get in people's faces and make an issue of it. Do you want to crusade, or do you want to vape? Both approaches are viable and worthwhile. I choose to vape.
And what do you expect in Virginia? Here is a state that rakes in big bucks from big tobacco and cuts its nose off to spite its face with anti-smoking regulations. The commonwealth legislature is either so selfish that it wants the taxes without granting rights or it's so stupid that it doesn't see that it NEEDS smokers to remain viable. Screw them. Sneak your vapes.
Calling it a nebulizer can give the FDA more weight to their drug delivery device, too. Can't win for losing.
Sorry to nit-pick, but electronic cigartettes are not nebulizers. A nebulizer uses pressure or vibration to create a fine mist from a liquid, whereas a vaporizer uses heat to create vapor.
Nebulizer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nebulizer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kristen: Regarding documents relating to FDA jurisdiction, certainly you're right. I'm suggesting it only in a live situation when being accused of smoking.
Randy: I beg to differ. It has to do with the action, not the method by which the action is accomplished.
nebulize - definition of nebulize by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
neb·u·lize (n
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)tr.v. neb·u·lized, neb·u·liz·ing, neb·u·liz·es 1. To convert (a liquid) to a fine spray; atomize.
2. To treat with a medicated spray.
Randy: I beg to differ. It has to do with the action, not the method by which the action is accomplished.
nebulize - definition of nebulize by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
neb·u·lize (n
2. To treat with a medicated spray.
I have learned that it is easier to get forgiveness than permission. In the future it it might be best to resist the urge to contact a state or local health department for a ruling on whether e-cigarettes falls under the smoking ban that was enacted against tobacco. There is alway a strong chance that a control freak works there.
Anyhow, the State Health Department is not the group that will be running around enforcing smoking bans. Mostly they rely on local law enforcement. And local law enforcement has more lucrative sources of revenue--say issuing speeding tickets. The only way local law enforcement will be dispatched to a scene is if someone calls in a complaint; and because the police tend to be busy with more serious things, the dispatcher will probably advise the complainer to ask the offender to stop.
So I intend to vape on. I'm not about to ask permission first, unless I know the owner well and am certain that I will hear a "yes". I am going to do it discreetly so as not to bring myself to the attention of others. If someone does notice and asks me to stop smoking, I'll explain my lilttle machine to them. If they persist that they don't want me creating vapor on the premises, depending on the circumstances, I will either become more stealthy in the future or take my business elsewhere.
Anyhow, the State Health Department is not the group that will be running around enforcing smoking bans. Mostly they rely on local law enforcement. And local law enforcement has more lucrative sources of revenue--say issuing speeding tickets. The only way local law enforcement will be dispatched to a scene is if someone calls in a complaint; and because the police tend to be busy with more serious things, the dispatcher will probably advise the complainer to ask the offender to stop.
So I intend to vape on. I'm not about to ask permission first, unless I know the owner well and am certain that I will hear a "yes". I am going to do it discreetly so as not to bring myself to the attention of others. If someone does notice and asks me to stop smoking, I'll explain my lilttle machine to them. If they persist that they don't want me creating vapor on the premises, depending on the circumstances, I will either become more stealthy in the future or take my business elsewhere.
You can atomize nearly any liquid with a number of methods (vibration, pressure etc.) but it will still be a liquid (in very small pieces). Vaporization requires changing the state of the liquid from a liquid to a gas (in our context) like the difference between the liquid in a teapot and the steam produced, which requires heat. Vaporizer is the correct term for the equipment and nebulizer is not (unless someone has developed a device that uses ultrasonics or something). I wonder now, if juice was nebulized (atomized finely enough) that the end result would be the same (appearance and effect of vapor)?
Haha. That law or regulation or whatever it is has no power when it comes to these. You have night clubs there? Concerts? How hard is it to find one that uses fog machines.
Halloween coming up, are they going around and banning all of the haunted houses and yard displays that use fog?
Vape away. If you were to be arrested you would probably find yourself with more money for attys and juice in the end.
Nestran
Halloween coming up, are they going around and banning all of the haunted houses and yard displays that use fog?
Vape away. If you were to be arrested you would probably find yourself with more money for attys and juice in the end.
Nestran
If you live in VA, please go to this thread and respond. Thanks!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...dents-virginia-please-respond.html#post879912
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...dents-virginia-please-respond.html#post879912
I'm in Fredericksburg, VA, and I've vaped in bars and non-smoking areas after clearing it with the managers of each place. Generally, I'm not the only one doing it, so it's not the first time most have seen it. If I come across someone who's getting a bit worked up because they think I'm smoking (despite the fact that the end lights up BLUE, but, you know, whatever.) I either offer to have them try it or just smell the vapor that comes out. I have heard that should a health inspector come in I need to hide it, since the FDA it still all funky over it. But generally I haven't found anyone who has a real problem with it.
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