No vaping

[Butters78]

I asked one of the managers at my work and he said no. He is a really cool guy and is a smoker. When I asked him he actually told me he asked upper management once and they said no of course. One reason he told me is that people "allergic" to cigarette smoke will have a psychosomatic response just by seeing us use them, haha. He has a point. Funny thing though, he actually gave me a bottle of Johnson creek E juice. He tried e cigs before and it never took. I bet the outcome would be different if he was allowed to use his PV. The bathroom is what I do. Go into a stall and make sure to blow out sideways towards the wall so you can't see much vapor out the top or bottom.

 

[Butters78]

Oh and if by chance someone sees the vapor just tell them the breakfast burritos you had early REALLY didn't agree with you!

 

[daveymist]

If i have to go to a designated area to vape, i don't want to to be forced to be exposed to second hand cancer causing smoke. I want my own designated area carcinogen free thank you. The main reason I switched to ecigs is the fear of cancer and the other health problems that come with smoking. Since I switched from smoking +1 packs a day almost 30 years to my PV I feel sooooooooo much better, breathe better and the biggest is i don't have coffin fits that eventually make me puke anymore!

 

[elfstone]

are they going to ban gum and the patch to, it is nicotine in that gum and those patches and like they said nicotine is addictive and they don't want employees that are addicts right???

Again, right now, there is a growing number of US employers who do not hire people with TRACES of nicotine in their urine. They also threaten to fire employees with traces of nicotine in their urine in the future. I am not sure who and how makes or loses money due to this. I'm really bad at conspiracy theories. What do you all think about this in terms of individual freedom and privacy?

I, for one, don't give a damn if I can vape in my office or not. I guess some employers out there could become more tolerant with more knowledge, and they'll figure they get more work from employees who do not have to go out to vape. I guess some just won't. My point is it is their right to ban whatever they want on their property and on their clock. Doing so, does not alter any fundamental rights or civil protections.

 

[tidegirl]

Again, right now, there is a growing number of US employers who do not hire people with TRACES of nicotine in their urine. They also threaten to fire employees with traces of nicotine in their urine in the future. I am not sure who and how makes or loses money due to this. I'm really bad at conspiracy theories. What do you all think about this in terms of individual freedom and privacy?

I, for one, don't give a damn if I can vape in my office or not. I guess some employers out there could become more tolerant with more knowledge, and they'll figure they get more work from employees who do not have to go out to vape. I guess some just won't. My point is it is their right to ban whatever they want on their property and on their clock. Doing so, does not alter any fundamental rights or civil protections.

What I think is that the constitution is being slowly stripped away, and most of the nation does not even notice because it is one little thing at a time. This is a huge encroachment on our liberties to say that we can't do something completely legal on our own time. Even worse that it includes nicotine screening, so if you are trying to quit smoking to improve your health and wellness you are penalized the same as if you were still smoking. Well, not worse really because again, smoking although deadly and completely non PC it is still legal.

I also agree that they have the right to set the rules for what we can or can't do on their property. I don't like it, but I have to accept it.

 

[tj99959]

I was told yesterday that we are not allowed to use are e-cigs in my factory any more. Yet the always complain about the analog butts laying around out side. To top it off my plant dose a lot if welding so there is always smoke in the building. So my question to every one here is what can I do to change there minds and get them to allow us to vape inthe building

You can always buy the business and then impose your own set of rules.
Until then I guess you have to follow their set of rules. Welcome to reality.

 

[elfstone]

...and most of the nation does not even notice because it is one little thing at a time. This is a huge encroachment on our liberties to say that we can't do something completely legal on our own time.

Exactly! I expected a major outrage when our employer passed this policy, but no.. almost no reaction at all. Smokers sheepishly admitted they felt guilty about their habit so they couldn't dream to speak out, while non-smokers just gloated, without realizing that any violation of personal freedom is bound to affect them down the road even if they are not the ones targeted right now. That awkward moment when you realize individualism works against itself.

 

[Huntsvappin]

Ive heard around here that some will and some wont

 

[j_fro]

Wow. NYS has been smoke-free indoors for years, and I generally do not vape inside establishments, unless in the restroom or private area. It just seems to cause too many headaches.

 

[AzureNeko]

I vape in my office, and my coworkers know it, but not my boss. He's blissfully ignorant. *laughs* I don't ask, because then he knows I do it and probably will just say no anyway. Easier to ask forgiveness than permission I guess, but at least if he does say no I can go outside and vape. I'd just rather enjoy my free ride to no freezing cold or intense heat at long as I can.

 

[VapingRulz]

My point is it is their right to ban whatever they want on their property and on their clock. Doing so, does not alter any fundamental rights or civil protections.

This is not a black and white issue; it's a gray area. They wouldn't try to ban coffee, cola or tea because public sentiment would ensure that they would not get away with it. The REAL problem we're having is that the general public is operating under a misconception; namely, that analogs and e-cigs are basically the same thing so e-cigs must be dangerous. People need to be educated about the differences.

 

[djej]

Some people are just stubborn and hard headed. They won't change their mind, even if you gave them a clear 10 minute powerpoint presentation on EXACTLY what e cigarettes are all about. They would just nod their head and then say, ok, thanks. You still can't vape because I said so. There's a little bit of power trip involved I'm sure.

 

[VapingRulz]

Some people are just stubborn and hard headed. They won't change their mind, even if you gave them a clear 10 minute powerpoint presentation on EXACTLY what e cigarettes are all about. They would just nod their head and then say, ok, thanks. You still can't vape because I said so. There's a little bit of power trip involved I'm sure.

You're right, of course. People can be dumber than a pile of rocks sometimes.

 

[classwife]

Moved to E-Cigarettes in Public

 

[Warren D. Lockaby]

During my younger years I felt compelled to endure a good many "superiors" I considered Nazis of one sort or another; teachers, administrators, employers, and so on. Somewhat later on I made a decision: I would no longer submit to the command of such people. I was, after all, *my choice*, either to accept the job or reject it. Since that decision my life has become a much happier place to be. Oh, I could have made more money, had more "security" perhaps, maybe accumulated more stuff before I retired. But I have no complaints, because once I made that decision I began to find real, decent, caring human beings who gave me employment and for whom I was honored to work. Moral: I didn't have to work for Nazis, and neither do you.
Happy Vaping!

 

[ambition]

If they're complaining about butts laying around outside the building, I'd be willing to bet that they're not smokers. Smokers are good at ignoring these things, and you're unlikely to find a sympathetic ear from non smoking management.

In a work environment I can see the use of ecigs on the job causing problems with the tobacco smokers.

On the one hand you would think that maybe this would hasten their switch to ecigs, but on the other hand, not everybody wants to switch.

The easy solution from an HR and OHS perspective, ban anything from the shop floor that involves inhaling clouds of anything not related to the work being done.

If there was no vapor, there wouldn't be an issue. Maybe switch to blu cigs.

 

[AzIrish]

I was the first vapor in the office and never vaped in the open. Now we have about 10 new vapors who truly believe they can vape in the office. I know their openness around the office will become a ban on all. Now I'm happy they are vaping but some are using this as a way to smoke more and not trying to quit cigarettes. I have been cigarette free for 90 days and still hide my vapping at work. I love to show everyone my new gear but don't openly vape at the office.

 

[djej]

I pretty much 'stealth vape' at work as best I can. Sometimes someone will walk by may studio and see me exhaling some vapor and say, 'What the heck is that? Oh, that's an electronic cigarette isn't it?". I say yeah, they ask me a few questions about it, then say, cool....good for you. It's not that big of a deal, but I STILL vape as discreetly as possible for some reason. I'm really lucky that my boss is a smoker and has dabbled in ecigs (because of me)

 

[prometheus]

are they going to ban gum and the patch to, it is nicotine in that gum and those patches and like they said nicotine is addictive and they don't want employees that are addicts right???

The gum and patch has already been included in cases of failed drug tests. As long as they detect nicotine they can fire you. Here is a Scott's case I heard about years ago

http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/docs/rodriguescomplaint.pdf

They do it under the guise of looking out for there employees health and safety.

notice this section:
"Scotts has no policies compelling employees to abstain from other legal but unhealthy
practices, including obesity, consumption of alcohol, failure to exercise, skydiving,
excessive television viewing, eating processed sugars, owning dangerous pets, flying
private aircraft, mountain climbing, downhill ski racing, single-handed sailing, or
spreading toxic chemicals on lawns."

Notice the items they list? Well thats because they are all items that various companies use to enforce similar policies. Its is nothing more then controlling people and taking away there rights by companies and backed by the government. And yes many companies with fire you for not exercising or being overweight. Several Hooters girls that worked down the street from me got fired for gaining a few pounds since they were hired and not loosing it fast enough.

Oh and yes these cases have gone to trial and they all lost

 

[Petrodus]

You're right, of course. People can be dumber than a pile of rocks sometimes.

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If your born in America...You get a front row seat
Some are in the freak show
Some people want to fix the freaks
Then there are folks who just watch the freak show
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