Non-Smoker looking for zero nic setup to help oral fixation

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Hi Imaya

I will warn you in advance that you may not get the support here you hope for. The members on this site are using these products to quit smoking, not to curb our appetites. E-cigarettes mimic the act of smoking, not eating, and I'm not sure the flavors are strong enough to to satisfy the urge to snack.

Personally, I smoked for 40 years. I assumed I would be buried with a cigarette in my mouth, since I couldn't find a way to quit. Thanks to vaping, I have been tobacco-free for almost a year. It concerns me when people express an interest in vaping who have not previously smoked. Not because I care whether they vape or not, but because access to the products that have saved my life is currently threatened. I don't want to see non-smokers who want to vape being used as examples of how the public supposedly believes vaping is harmless. There is no proof vaping is 100% safe, but there is proof it is safer than smoking cigarettes. That's all we know.

As I said, I just want to give you a heads up. Cigarette smoking is serious stuff. Most of us have been through a lot, including being marginalized by a society where it is not just acceptable, but encouraged, to be treated as if we chose to be addicted to nicotine. Imagine being told day after day, year after year, that you are putting your life and the lives of those around you at risk, yet being offer no workable solution. If you find yourself confronted with some hostility, perhaps you will consider why we might be upset.

Interesting. I'm a smoker looking for a way to quit (hoping to get some quality vaping info here), but I can totally relate to why this person might want to take up vaping as a way to stop eating as much. In my experience, a lot of times smoking a cigarette can take the place of a snack, especially for us addictive personality types. Not sure one could effectively trade random eating for vaping, but it's certainly worth a shot if you are struggling with your weight, right?
 

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I agree. It'd be better to take up vaping than smoking. I've known people who have problems with overeating start smoking to help them lose weight.

Interesting. I'm a smoker looking for a way to quit (hoping to get some quality vaping info here), but I can totally relate to why this person might want to take up vaping as a way to stop eating as much. In my experience, a lot of times smoking a cigarette can take the place of a snack, especially for us addictive personality types. Not sure one could effectively trade random eating for vaping, but it's certainly worth a shot if you are struggling with your weight, right?
 

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Very overwhelmed over all of the e-cig options! When I began to look into them, I was not expecting them to be so in-depth. I have spent hours trying to sort through all this information, and have found myself a bit stumped. Mostly, there are plenty of kits that would allow a smoker to jump right in, get their nicotine fix, and figure stuff out as they go based on smoking habits... but what about a noobie who is looking for the best flavor experience without nicotine? For me, everything else is secondary to a setup that maximizes flavor, and I read that some models burn the flavor. There also seem to be specific parts needed to change flavors on the fly (the drip tips), and some seem to be less efficient/ more wasteful than others?

I need help choosing an e-cig kit to get me started, as I find my situation a bit unique. I don't care how big it is, what it looks like, etc. It's nice to have a decent battery, but in all honesty, it mostly is to help anxiety related oral fixation habits while at the computer. So, I will pretty much always be next to a power source. Don't care about how much vapor it puts out, and I can figure out how to use a manual inhaler just fine. I would like to not spend too much on the unit, as I also need money for a large assortment of flavors to try. I am having trouble finding sampler packs from the good vapor places as well. If it tastes ....ty, I am going to go eat the real thing instead, which is something I am hoping to help curb. Where are some good places to find good sampler packs? So far, I found Build Your Own Fun Pack but would like to try other packs from others as well.

Well, the point of vaping is, in the main, for smokers to switch to a safer way of obtaining nicotine. So there's not a lot of "support" for non-smokers. In fact, the community here is generally quite opposed to non-smokers doing anything with vaping. Myself more or less included.

Though if you're talking 0 nic and 0 nic only, well, okay. However, keep in mind that nobody knows the long term effects of vaporizing and inhaling PG and VG (the base liquids that hold the flavoring and/or nicotine). For that matter, nobody knows the long term effects of vaporizing and inhaling the flavorings.

So you are taking a gamble with your health. A gamble that you will not know the "odds" or possible consequences of for many years ("vaping" is pretty new, there are studies starting but there are no long term studies because there is no "long term" to have been studied). With smokers, it's betting that vaping is far less toxic than tobacco smoke. A bet I think is safe (I'm taking that bet myself).

But a non-smoker? What risks are there to you even with the 0 nicotine liquids?

We don't know.

Nobody does. Not yet. And like a lot of things, the "long term" effects may not be known until it's too late to go back and "not start".

That in mind, since you say, "...it mostly is to help anxiety related oral fixation habits...", I find myself being ambivalent. Anxiety and oral fixations... that's a possible smoking habit right there. So, maybe, 0 nicotine vaping might actually work in your case? I don't know. I ain't no doctor. But I can see your point.

One thing, though, I don't, personally, buy the idea that vaping would help with an "oral fixation" that has to do with food. I've never seen any indication that tasting and smelling flavors reduces urges to eat. If anything, they tend to trigger them. I mean, who hasn't experienced the extra hunger pangs when walking into a house where dinner is being prepared? Think about holidays like Thanksgiving. I know when I smell my sister-in-law's cooking on walking into the house, I get ten times more hungry (well, she's a great cook! :) ).

And far as anxiety, vaping won't do squat about that. I have what remains of an anxiety disorder (survived two historic... no, seriously, historic... level disasters). Vaping don't do squat for it. I have to (sometimes) take something the doc prescribes to deal with that.

So you could end up wasting your time and money and not getting anywhere.

All that preambling done, one of the better, basic, starting kits is this one: [url]http://www.myvaporstore.com/Vision_Spinner_Joye_Ego_C_Twist_Combo_p/vvs-c.htm[/URL]. Good, basic set up, easy to use. And there are many, many vendors out there with 0 nicotine liquids. Tons of flavor options.

Just be careful. Nicotine is a highly addictive substance. It's why I vape. I can't quit nicotine. I've tried. Oh gawd have I tried. Before I found vaping, I had resigned myself to whatever health consequences smoking would cause because I had given up on quitting. Too many miserable, horrible, awful failures.

Get mixed up with it, it can easily be a one way trip. It can be your "pal" for good.

So watch your ordering. There are tons of 0 nic liquids but, generally, the vendors are serving ex-smokers who are addicted to nicotine. They're not all that "oriented" toward non-smoker vapers. That's not the "market" here.

But, honestly, I don't think vaping will do anything at all for anxiety. I wish it did. The only anxiety I can say it's helped me with is one of the bad disasters I got through was an unreal wildfire event in the Austin area in '11. One in which two of the around six (!) fires joined up and tried to take out my little suburb (ripping by my house within about two miles of me). The only aspect of vaping that helps with that is I developed a bit of a fire phobia after that. So I got a bit weird about making sure every cigarette .... in the house was dead, dead, cold, cold before I could so much as go to the grocery store.

Vaping ain't fire so I'm a bit less rattled about leaving the house.

(Still catch myself going back to the house to check to be absolutely sure I put my cigarette out only to realize half way back to the door that I don't do that stuff anymore)
 

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Interesting. I'm a smoker looking for a way to quit (hoping to get some quality vaping info here), but I can totally relate to why this person might want to take up vaping as a way to stop eating as much. In my experience, a lot of times smoking a cigarette can take the place of a snack, especially for us addictive personality types. Not sure one could effectively trade random eating for vaping, but it's certainly worth a shot if you are struggling with your weight, right?

No, I can't agree. There are other chemicals in cigarettes that suppress hunger. Vaping doesn't have those. I've actually gained about five pounds vaping. Food tastes better since I quit smoking. This is nice except... food tastes better!

And I'm prone to "stress eating". I could stand to lose a good thirty pounds. But right about the time I got my act together, Austin tried to burn to the ground and I went off the rails again. Wheeee!

So I'm about to start trying again. As in, "put fat .... on treadmill". Vaping ain't doing squat for my weight. If anything, I've gone the other direction...

(Speaking of which, I want Twix!)
 

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Greetings, Imaya!

I chose to vape to help with my food cravings, myself. I know many disaprove of it, but I don't care. My husband was also trying to quit smoking at the time (still is) and I thought if I was using them, it would encourage him to.

I wouldn't disapprove. Obesity is rapidly rising to be second behind smoking as a killer. Seriously, it's climbing to take the number two spot!

I just don't--myself--know if it would work. You seem to have actual experience so I'd have to defer.

I do know that far as anxiety, it ain't doing squat for me. Cigarettes were, actually, much more "calming". Vaping doesn't have the truckload of other chemicals, some of which act as anti-depressants (among other effects).

Since switching to vaping, far as my anxiety levels, they've actually gone up a bit. Not so much it's causing a serious problem but I've noticed. It's the one remaining thing that gives me mild impulses to have a cigarette (not strong enough to actually go buy a pack but that "pull" does rear its head now and then).

I can't see anybody "disapproving" if (0 nic) vaping does help with overeating issues. That's almost as big a threat to health as smoking. Not quite the same level but catching up. And whatever works, works.

But the OP seems to be talking more about an anxiety issue. That's not "food cravings" per se. That's more my... sigh... unfortunately... stomping ground?

And I can't say vaping would help anxiety. Doesn't in my experience at least.
 

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Unfortunately, it's the nicotine that helps with weightloss. A very long time ago, certain brands of cigarettes advertized that smoking would help make people lose weight.

Here's one example from Lucky Strikes. Virginia Slims was another, but I can't find the specific ad right now. I'm studying marketing and advertising right now, so these came to mind.



I definitely gained weight when I stopped smoking. Then I gained it years later when I started vaping. Maybe I need the nic?
 

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In my experience, and I only speak for myself, vaping has helped me cut down on eating things that I shouldn't. It has helped in my weight loss. I vaped before my weight loss surgery and it had helped then. Right now, it still helps, but most of my weight loss is due to my surgery, I will admit.

As far as anxiety, I have Bipolar II Disorder, PTSD, and GAD. I agree, it does nothing for them. I still have to take medications for all of it.

As for the OP, I'm not going to judge, as I took up vaping for weight loss. To each their own, is what I say.

I wouldn't disapprove. Obesity is rapidly rising to be second behind smoking as a killer. Seriously, it's climbing to take the number two spot!

I just don't--myself--know if it would work. You seem to have actual experience so I'd have to defer.

I do know that far as anxiety, it ain't doing squat for me. Cigarettes were, actually, much more "calming". Vaping doesn't have the truckload of other chemicals, some of which act as anti-depressants (among other effects).

Since switching to vaping, far as my anxiety levels, they've actually gone up a bit. Not so much it's causing a serious problem but I've noticed. It's the one remaining thing that gives me mild impulses to have a cigarette (not strong enough to actually go buy a pack but that "pull" does rear its head now and then).

I can't see anybody "disapproving" if (0 nic) vaping does help with overeating issues. That's almost as big a threat to health as smoking. Not quite the same level but catching up. And whatever works, works.

But the OP seems to be talking more about an anxiety issue. That's not "food cravings" per se. That's more my... sigh... unfortunately... stomping ground?

And I can't say vaping would help anxiety. Doesn't in my experience at least.
 
Alright finally pulled the trigger...

I got the Mega KGO VV passthrough battery (1200 mAh model)
Various adaptors/ tips/ drip shield/ wall wart/ plain PG (because I ordered some straight VG juice)
306 atomizers, 2.5-3.0 ohm
Kanger Pro Tank (the description said 1.6ml... hope it was the small one) plus cores
Juice (should be arriving first, wanted a few days to let it steep)

Backup batteries, backup tank, a rebuildable tank (when I feel ready to try it) are going to be ordered from China if everything else works out.

If nothing works out for me, I know plenty of smokers who should give this stuff a try! :)
 
You could get an inexpensive ego-twist battery, with some Kanger EVODs or Vivi Nova Tanks and whatever eliquid you choose.

Most eliquid vendors offer their blends in 0nic up to 24mg of nic, so you have the option to get 'just the flavor'. As individual taste is so highly subjective it just takes time trying different eliquid to find the ones you like.
 
Ok, bit of an update!

I REALLY like this VV passthrough. I have been changing the voltage to dial in the right flavor, and it's great! Originally, I had an acrylic drip tip. By the second or third puff, it would heat up and give off a weird chemical taste, which I actually was kinda of expecting. So, I scoured around and found an aluminum 306 tip, which helps a ton!

Now, on to the flavors. Everything I ordered was from ECBlends, except a bottle of cucumber melon I ordered from Hoosier. The cucumber melon is really light and refreshing tasting, just as I expected. However, it took days to get the taste out of my atty! I need to get a cheap tank for flavors like that. It was good, but I can't drip with it.

Now, the flavors from ECBlends have all been devided up in a 'keep' pile, and a 'last chance' pile. The last chance ones I didn't care for, but will allow to steep for a couple more weeks before putting them up in the trade section. None were awful, just not really for me.

My favorites as of right now are 'Wizard's Cave' (I could vape it all day!) and all of the Dragons (Milk, Passion, Dream, Blood). The chocolate sin is pretty good, though not a 'perfect' chocolate, it is still tasty. Both rum soaked raisins and the banana nut bread are interesting, because the flavor changes quite a bit depending on what voltage I vape it at. Low voltage on the banana nut bread has more banana, higher is more spice and less banana. Low voltage of the rum soaked raisins is sweet and a little fruity (not *quite* raisins) and higher voltage is once again nice and spicy, middle voltage is more caramely. The Dulce de Leche was alright, I think it will get even better after some steeping. It is smooth and creamy, not too caramely. I ramped up the voltage trying to find the sweet spot (4.5+. Most flavors in comparison were great between 3.5-4). The Pizza Ria got really great reviews, and I am on the fence about it. The flavor is weak, but that might be because I got full VG with extra flavoring (I mix in some pure PG for weak tasting flavors), but it does, in fact, have this vague calzone/ pizza type taste. It is just really weak, and I lose the taste after 5 or so puffs. Might be good with a beer at a bar! It also sticks in the atty, and you can taste this basil/ spice stuff popping up for quite a while afterwards. I have a few coffee mixes, which I will report back on once I try them again. I forgot which ones were which and what I thought of them!

Now, as for the ones I didn't care for. I ordered regular popcorn and kettle corn. Both were vague and weak, the kettle corn was just a vague semi-sweet flavor. Caramel Maple Pecan log and Texas Pecan pie...neither tasted like pecan pie. They were both just muddled tasting, couldn't pick anything out, and sweet. The caramel and toffee I believe might just need to steep, because they also were very vague and burned easily. The Pumpkin Spice Cupcake is spice flavored, not pumpkin spice. If you ever smelled that nasty 'spice' stuff... you know, the 'incense' they used to sell at gas stations, that is what this is like. Bleugh. I think Fuddy Duddy also needs a good steep. If not, I just need to try it again with extra peanut butter. The peanut butter was very, very weak, and that is what it needs to make it awesome.

I need to try the fruits next, I just wanted to keep the sweets and fruits separate since so many of them tend to stick in the atty!


Also, the Kanger I ordered was a regular small one. Boo. I keep seeing the date for the mini pyrex is getting pushed back, so I will order one at some point. In my haste to try all my flavors, I loaded it with a 'free sample' that came with something else I ordered. It was 24mg nic, as I realized when it burnt my throat! Need to find a way to dump it back in the tiny bottle (it doesn't have the standard bottle/ cap that most others have) I want to save it for smokers I know to sample. :) I also now read EVERY bottle before I try it. Never know!
 
Ok, the coffee ones!

Buttered Keoke Rum Coffee is an easy-going coffee flavor. Sweet, mild, a little coffee. The flavor is pretty flower-y at lower voltage. It also burns REALLY easily and the taste is more terrible than most when it does, plus the burn flavor sticks in the atty. Take care with it, don't go over 4.2V. It vapes best at 3.8-4.2-- too low, and the flower-y is overwhelming.

Ski Lodge is fantastic! A little peppermint, a little chocolate, a bit of some kind of spice (maybe a touch of clove?). Either way, it feels a bit seasonal, and is aptly named. Tastes like something I would drink after a long day of skiing! This one is nice at different voltages, depending on what you like, Try 3.4-4.4, but be careful as this one will burn too, just not as easily as the other one. It was one of the least vague ones I tried, and I could taste everything in it fairly clearly (still a tad bit muddled, everything tastes a bit muddled to me).
 
Yuck! I realized I mixed up my feelings on the Dulce de Leche and the Caramel Macchiato. The Dulce de Leche is pretty boring creamy at low voltage, and burns badly above 4v or so. It doesn't take on the caramel flavor due to not being able to vape it at a high enough voltage, it seems. The caramel macchiato is a decent caramel. Nothing to get too excited about, but I could finish the bottle. The coffee is so subtle, I wouldn't know it was there if I didn't know the name. However, like all the coffees, this one also seems to burn easily. Keep it below 4.4v. Right around 3.4v it is nice and creamy, and pushing it up to 4.4 brings out the coffee and the caramel.

The cognac is pretty nice. I added extra orange per recommendations from reviewers. At low voltages, the orange comes in strong. I found my personal sweet spot at 4.3 volts, where it just begins to get caramel-y but doesn't get harsh. For people who like throat hit, 4.5+ feels a bit harsh, but doesn't taste too burnt compared to most others. I don't know how to describe the flavor of the upper voltages... it tastes more smokey, I guess, without the gross burnt ick. Comparing it to the kind of smoke of a smooth tobacco is really the closest I can get to describing it. I don't care for that, so I keep it right below that point so I still get the smoothness. Seems like a great after dinner vape that pairs well with the kind of stiff drink you sip (nice brandy, whisky, rum, etc)

I'll try to get to the fruits in the next few days! There are only a few of them because I had to prune down my ridiculously over-stuffed cart, and it didn't seem like people were raving about ECBlend's fruits as much as their sweets.
 

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I've been waiting 25 years to quit smoking. Thanks to ecigs, I've done it. I can't imagine why a non-smoker would even attempt to get involved with anything that is related to smoking. IMO, find something else. You're a nonsmoker, and you should not get involved with anything that could lead to a habit that could shorten your life. Why mess with a potential gateway to nicotine use. You say 0mgs now, but it could lead to more down the road.
 

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