Non Smoker == Troll

[MasterofChaos]

Okay, as some of you may have noticed from my previous posts, I am a non-smoker (never smoked in my life) who enjoys vaping 0 nic juice (I find it relaxing, it gives me something to do while I'm on the computer).

I have had several people accuse me of being a Troll. Why is that? Is, or was, there some issue with people coming on the ECF and claiming to be non-smokers and posting with nefarious purposes?

I would be interested in some insight from experienced ECFers as to why that is the case.

BTW, I am NOT a Troll, and never have been, I want to state that for the record!

 

[Cil]

I think that most of us are ex-smokers who are very worried that e-cigs will be banned, so having non-smokers taking up vaping, even at zero nicotine, get us very twitchy as this might give another stick to the authorities to beat us with.

 

[ShannonA]

If it matters I didn't think you were a troll.

 

[MasterofChaos]

Thank you Shannon, I appreciate that!

I have, however, had several people accusing me of being a Troll, and I've seen them accuse others, too.

Cil, AFAIK, vaping is harmless. Okay, you can argue back and forth about the "evils" of nicotine, but you take
the nic out, and really all you have is an inhaler.

Plus all the ingredients in E-juice are FDA (and, in canada, HC) approved.

 

[ShannonA]

On one hand I understand why vapers worry about non smokers taking up vaping... but on the other if we had the right to start smoking... and we now have the right to vape instead... and if I'm not mistaken most if not all of us want both those rights left alone... who are we to tell a non smoker they can't vape especially at zero nic?

If we tell people not to vape if they don't smoke IMO it's like saying go start smoking for awhile and then its ok to vape . Really??

I do think we should give them all the information necessary to make an informed choice. IF they are of age and beyond that treat them like any smoker that comes on here wanting to learn about vaping.


That's my 2 (more like 10) cents.

 

[venkman]

Cil, AFAIK, vaping is harmless. Okay, you can argue back and forth about the "evils" of nicotine, but you take
the nic out, and really all you have is an inhaler.

Plus all the ingredients in E-juice are FDA (and, in canada, HC) approved.

i'm actually much less concerned about the nicotine, than I am about the "approved" ingredients. The flavorings are approved for use in foods, not in e-liquid. We don't really know about the safety of inhaling them into our lungs. This is not to say that I don't vape flavored liquids...I do. But really, the unknown factor in vaping is the inhalation of flavorings that were designed and approved to be introduced into our digestive systems, not our respiratory systems.

 

[upStomp]

Another component, I think, is the "exclusive club" mentality. Many of us were able to quit smoking by vaping. Anyone in the community who doesn't fit that mold could be looked down on by some. It's not unlike the "cold turkey" folks not recognizing vaping as a valid alternative.

Also, it may be confusing for folks as to why someone would consciously start up a habit for what they view as no good reason. "Because I like it" just doesn't cut it for much of society, particularly when there are possible dangers.

 

[warlike36]

ECF= A place for vapors to come hang out,learn,share and discuss e-cigs. Welcome to the group !!

ECF does not = ex-smokers only..??

I see nothing troll like coming from your posts..so enjoy !! This is the best place to be for anything e-cig related and a great place to meet some of the best human beings I have ever had the pleasure to meet !!

 

[AlmightyGod]

Apparently, viewing certain segments of this technology as something which should be open source, as opposed to being controlled by a single entity, makes us all trolls.

 

[stillalive]

Great post! I've noticed this too, and it's really discouraging. =/ If the FDA is worried about nonsmokers taking up a smoking-like habit, why not ban cigarettes? Ugh.

 

[n2danexxus]

I find it immature and closed-minded. In my opinion, the more people that jump on board, ex-smokers or not, the more exposure, the more studies, the better the industry, etc, etc. It could go either way. There are some non-smokers that enjoy a cigar every now and then. What's the difference? If you enjoy vaping to relax and keep you busy at the computer, then more power to you!

Not only that, it's a good thing to have views from multiple sources. At political events, an ex-smoker could talk about how ecigs help him switch as well as a new vaper could talk about how they were happy to pick up vaping instead of much more harmful traditional cigarettes. We can also learn if there were any changes or effects to a body that has not been exposed to cigarette smoke for so many years.

Glad to have you on board, your input is appreciated IMO.

 

[zotzer]

I think that most of us are ex-smokers who are very worried that e-cigs will be banned, so having non-smokers taking up vaping, even at zero nicotine, get us very twitchy as this might give another stick to the authorities to beat us with.

Or, looking at it the other way....MORE people to join the fight in keeping it unregulated.

Might I suggest using the first person when sharing such opinions? I, for one, am not a part of your "us" getting twitchy.

MasterofChaos, are you an informed adult? Vape on, then, IMO!

 

[CapableVapable]

Well, it looks like you got involved in that whole Notcigs thing, and if there's one thing I've noticed it's that people on here get really uptight and name-cally when you start criticizing their favorite vendor. I wouldn't let it bother me too much. If it wasn't your name/your entry into the vaping world, it would have been your join date or the fact that you're Canadian or something else.

 

[ricks]

If a person who never smoked a real cig wants to vape, I feel its ok for them to do it. To me its like someone who wants to chew gum or sucks on hard candy. Its just doing something that has some flavor. Vape if you want and enjoy like I do. Im an X-Smoker of 30 years and Im in love with my Vapor Stick

 

[rolygate]

Eventually most 'smokers' will start with an e-cig and stay with that, and the option to move to tobacco will be seen as a dangerous and expensive habit something like crack today.

This issue has been a little bit sensitive up to now due to the legal pressures. In the US that pressure is easing off, though it's still valid elsewhere. People should perhaps ask themselves, would you prefer - assuming there is no alternative - that your kids grow up to vape or smoke? However, given the sensitive nature of the topic, it's more of an unspoken preference at this time.

Unfortunately kids aren't at all interested in e-cigs as they have no cool factor. James Dean was a cig smoker and until they have role models who vape instead, tobacco rules. Like everything, this will change, but not tomorrow.

 

[stillalive]

I find it immature and closed-minded. In my opinion, the more people that jump on board, ex-smokers or not, the more exposure, the more studies, the better the industry, etc, etc. It could go either way. There are some non-smokers that enjoy a cigar every now and then. What's the difference? If you enjoy vaping to relax and keep you busy at the computer, then more power to you!

Not only that, it's a good thing to have views from multiple sources. At political events, an ex-smoker could talk about how ecigs help him switch as well as a new vaper could talk about how they were happy to pick up vaping instead of much more harmful traditional cigarettes. We can also learn if there were any changes or effects to a body that has not been exposed to cigarette smoke for so many years.

Glad to have you on board, your input is appreciated IMO.

That's pretty much how I view it as well... The more people that join the fight, the better! And I think for people who generally object to the idea of themselves smoking saying, "hey, this seems like a much safer alternative to smoking!" can only help the cause. It shouldn't matter how someone got started vaping. We should focus on what we have in common: flooded atties, refilled carts, tasty vapor, etc.

 

[jj2]

I think that most of us are ex-smokers who are very worried that e-cigs will be banned, so having non-smokers taking up vaping, even at zero nicotine, get us very twitchy as this might give another stick to the authorities to beat us with.

That is (was) a biggie.

If it matters I didn't think you were a troll.

Me neither.

On one hand I understand why vapers worry about non smokers taking up vaping... but on the other if we had the right to start smoking... and we now have the right to vape instead... and if I'm not mistaken most if not all of us want both those rights left alone... who are we to tell a non smoker they can't vape especially at zero nic?

If we tell people not to vape if they don't smoke IMO it's like saying go start smoking for awhile and then its ok to vape . Really??

I do think we should give them all the information necessary to make an informed choice. IF they are of age and beyond that treat them like any smoker that comes on here wanting to learn about vaping.


That's my 2 (more like 10) cents.

Sort of my take on the situation.

 

[MasterofChaos]

Venkman,

Who says I'm inhaling? That's the nice thing about it, I can inhale or not, it really doesn't matter.

And WarLike, I totally agree with you. There seems to be a little bit of elitism going on, however most people on the forum are very nice. There does seem to be a small group of people that resent anyone using vaping for anything other than quitting smoking, which seems a little weird to me.

And AG, I couldn't have stated that better myself!

 

[MasterofChaos]

Roly,

I always find it amusing (and annoying) when those gov`t `officials` go on about how they MUST PROTECT THE CHILDREN. No teenager I`ve ever known would want to have anything to do with vaping, its way too FIDDLY! It demands a rather steep learning curve and lets face it, they just dont have the attention span for that.

On the other hand, they can go to any local corner store and buy some smokes and a lighter, and start puffing away immediately.

 

[starrynight]

I would never judge anyone for the decisions they make, I am in no position do to so. The only thing I will say is that I am envious of a non smokers clean body, since I am working hard to undo the 20 years of damage I did to mine. So when I hear a non smoker say they are going to start vaping I just think, really? Since they are already ahead of the curve.