Non Smoker wanting to start vaping?
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No, I don't ............ Opinion or not, I think herd mentality is stupid. I started smoking because of something related to herd mentality (peer pressure) and that was because I was a naive young child and started smoking because other kids were doing it. That STUPID decision haunted me since that time. To lay down your life for someone you love is quite noble and gallant, but to die for someone you love, from a totally avoidable and foolish act is a totally different matter.
No, I don't think 6 years is anywhere near long enough to justify yourself so that you can 100% state that it is not harmful in the long run. When people started smoking tobacco they had no ill effects for a heck of a lot longer than 6 years. Some of us on this forum have smoked close to 50 years and we are still alive. But if we keep smoking then we are not going to be alive. Simple as that.
Good grief man, he's not talking about standing on the train tracks in front of the frieght moving 50mph, he's talking about vaping. 0 nic.
Do you vape? Do you feel you are in danger of dying soon because of vaping?
If someone has smoked for 50 years, and quit, eventually they are still not going to be alive. A 100.00000% chance.
You use the "prove a negative" argument. I entered this thread only because your response was so over the top hysterical. Your analogy compares a 100.000% chance of certain death to a less than 100.0000% chance of no harm at all. Only because we cannot prove a negative. I cannot 100% state that I will survive my dinner tonight because every year thousands of people die of food poisoning. Thousands. Yet we still eat, and we go out and eat at restaurants without vetting that their kitchens comply with health codes. We could stay home and be masters of our destiny, applying as much food safety to our dinner prep as we want. But many of us, on this Saturday night, will risk death and eat out.
My problem with this thread is that some people came in and said "knock yourself out". Others came in advising not to vape, but not giving a single reason, based on known facts not to do so. And you compare it to certain death. Not one person attempted to give the OP some sort of rational basis to make the decision. Pure unadulterated propaganda. You might as well just send him to google the latest ANTZ propaganda in the media. Not even the worst media propaganda suggest sudden certain death.
No where else in the human condition do people say "just don't do it" because the risk might be somewhere north of 0.0000% even though we can't even begin to quantify it.
And as far as the smoking argument, anyone that ever got a chest x-ray 6 years after starting to smoke regularly got the news that what he was doing isn't very healthy. This "it takes 50 years before we can know" is a tired old argument. We do not know that 50 years of cell phone usage won't give us brain cancer. Or living next to a wireless router for 50 years won't kill us. And we do not *need* cell phones or wireless routers, they are just modern conveniences we enjoy. I managed at least 40 years without either. Somehow.
Very few people actually live their lives to zero risk. But vaping is held to a different standard and that is the power of propaganda. So someone ought to explain to the OP that he is being propagandized here.
You must have some reservations if you are asking vapers what they think. In that case i'll say don't. For most of us it's just better than the alternative.
Yes I do vape.... But I certainly didn't start something new because of another person..... I started vaping because I "assume" (and I place a heavy emphasis on the word assume) that it was healthier than my self destructive smoking. You or anyone else here on this forum does not yet know if it is perhaps as deadly as standing on train tracks with an approaching train coming. Simple as that, because the jury is not yet in regarding long termed vaping.
Oh sure he could be doing other thing such as drugs, booze, or any number of other things. But to say that it is ok to vape compared to those is just an EXCUSE for a person wanting to vape , or anything else for that matter.
basically ^this^ is how I feel on your question
you are going to see responses from the zealots on both sides in here, mainly recognizable by them attacking each other with a constant demand for justifications on anything said on here from each other
but most of us are down the situational middle on questions like this. You are an adult and can do what you want but asking a vapers group what they think shows you have your doubts about it, I am not sure what your doubts are but if they are health related no one in here can tell you how safe or unsafe vaping really is, no one knows what the long term effects of vaping are, for former smokers it is viewed as harm reduction period.basically ^this^ is how I feel on your question
you are going to see responses from the zealots on both sides in here, mainly recognizable by them attacking each other with a constant demand for justifications on anything said on here from each other
My issues aren't health related, I just wanted to know if it was a good idea or a dumb idea, not for health reasons.
I thought it was nice for her to not be doing it alone? I don't know.
Mooney, have you tried hers? I would suggest trying what your gf is using and see if you like it then make a decision.
I have tried disposable water vaping sticks, I enjoyed them. I don't want to use hers because of the nicotine.
Only you and she can answer this. I can see where it might help her to have your companionship in a shared activity. Or if she's the independent type, she might not care. Does she have other friends who vape?
If you happen to be interested and good with fiddling with electronics and stuff, I happen to think it might be a good idea. Maybe she could use some help to stay away from the cigs.
If it turns into an obsession where you vape a lot and constantly spend a bunch of money on new hardware, then it could turn out to be a bad idea.
For those of us who used to spend a bunch of money on cigarettes that went up in smoke, at least when we spend the money on stuff we can see and keep afterwards it's an improvement.
I'm a drummer, so there's never money to spend on other things like vaping/etc. So I wouldn't worry about buying new hardware/etc
Well, by that reasoning she smoked alone without you so not sure why this is different? You can support her quitting smoking and vaping now in a lot of different ways, maybe buy her some nice eliquid as a quitting present instead
I am not trying to prove anything, especially anything negative......... The problem with you (and lots of other folks) is that you do not know how to err on the side of caution. You remind me of the person who is in love with Russian roulette ...... By your line of reasoning and mathematical calculations you would say, "Hey I love playing this game after all there is only one bullet in a single chamber and so therefore my chances of dying are only one out of six and it will never likely land on that chamber.......... People who think like myself though would say "why even play the game at all?" If you don't play the game then you will have ZERO % chance of being shot playing the game. I vape because I am an old duffer who has spent many years trying to get away from tobacco and I used vaping as a positive because I would no longer endanger myself, my wife, or the grand-kids to toxic tobacco smoke. But the OP is young and hopefully has a whole life ahead of himself. If it is ever proven to be harmful in the long term, and he keeps vaping for a long time, do you want to be the one to tell him "I'm sorry maybe I should have said something to you"? But, you probably wouldn't do that because you more than likely lack empathy.... After all, you go around constantly on this forum and tout how vaping has zero health risks. Do you realize how many people you are telling untruths to? You can only provide evidence that it is not "known" to be harmful for short periods of time. Where is your evidence that says it will not harm someone in say 20 years, or how bout 30 years? Big Pharma constantly puts out medications that have been tested over and over again and for many years and that are "thought" to be safe only to discover that people get horrible diseases from said medicine. Studies can easily be wrong because being the humans that we are, we do not know about all unknown variables and other complex things that often get overlooked or are not known about.
You either need a new set of glasses or your comprehension skills are indeed lacking. I never once said, or implied, that vaping is a death sentence......... I used a simple analogy (albeit a dreaded one) to get a point across. Nothing too complicated about it for sure. I could have used a different analogy I suppose. But since you are fixated on vaping having a zero health risk then you totally missed the point I was trying to make to the young man.
Come on....you cannot possibly be that simple....... "a tired argument" ........ it is NOT an argument........ It only becomes an argument when people like you have a dead set belief in vaping being harmless. Rather, it is a statement of those who like to err on the side of caution. About the first time that someone comes around you with "an err on the side of caution" mindset, then you coil up like a rattlesnake ready to strike. The simple fact of the matter is that it is wiser to err on the side of caution.. You are the one who has the phobia, not myself. I NEVER once stated that vaping is a death sentence. So, go back a re-read my post and tell me what you derived from it other than your paranoid perception that people are out to prove that vaping is harmful. I know I am not out to prove that.
My opinion is that the reasoning for the OP starting vaping are not sound reasoning's and this is because I err on the side of caution. You on the other hand, have no cautions and throw everything to some calculations that don't hold up (like the roulette game mentioned above).
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