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Never smoked, not even the electronic ones, but I've always been tempted to. The health risks kept me away, but now I'm considering trying out the 0mg e-cigs, just for something to keep me busy. I'm overweight-- not a lot, but enough that it bothers me-- and by far the biggest reason for that is boredom eating/drinking. So I figure this would be something to keep my hands, mouth, and taste buds occupied, without all the calories and fat and high-fructose corn syrup. So even though I don't have a nicotine addiction, I do have a mountain dew addiction that I'd like to get over. :unsure: The idea is intriguing, and I also can't pretend I'm not extremely curious.

DON'T. Don't pick-up that e-Cig!

U Don't Need It if u've never smoked. Don't pick-up an unnecessary habit which might stay with u for a long-long time and then there'd be no going back. It'd be hard to stop, it'd be difficult, very difficult, to replace with. Pls learn from our experiences/mistakes.

We didn't come here, googling, reading, logged-on ECF etc. for nothing! We came here b'coz we needed HELP. We were SMOKERS. And were unable to QUIT! We knew that it was bad, we knew that it was a slow-poison, slowly killing us, one puff-a-time... it didn't take a genius in us to figure that out. There was not a "FrenchConnectionUK" we could do about it. It messed with us, it messed with our folks around us. And we came to e-Cigs to find an ALTERNATIVE. Not something to start with. e-Cigs r not for non-smokers, period.

We started off just like u. The same temptations, AND that "peer-pressure". It was "cool" those days, in the 80s. Not any more... there's no peer-pressure today; and it's NOT COOL nowadays; we all know that, don't we? So, don't begin with. U don't need to. We didn't, probably, have a choice, there were really no role-models then, half the populace didn't know about it's ill-effects AND that it'd stick with us. Today everyone knows. And the role-models of today don't smoke or vape.

"One thing lead to other" they say, right? That's what would happen if u pick-up that e-Cig now. Soon u'd pump more... add nics eventually if u start with non-nic... may also increase it's %age, 6 > 12 > 18 > 24, and Boom! There u go. What will u fall back on later? We r quitting our deadly habit of smoking and thus on e-Cigs. We don't intend to continue vaping, one day we'd quit e-Cigs as well. That's our goal. But till then it's a better alternative to dying of smokeing.

And vaping is an ALTERNATIVE (for us)... not something u should consciously START.

So, let whatever ppl say/suggest...
Don't Start, Don't pick-up that e-Cig!
U'll regret it later.
 

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DON'T. Don't pick-up that e-Cig!

U Don't Need It if u've never smoked. Don't pick-up an unnecessary habit which might stay with u for a long-long time and then there'd be no going back. It'd be hard to stop, it'd be difficult, very difficult, to replace with. Pls learn from our experiences/mistakes.

We didn't come here, googling, reading, logged-on ECF etc. for nothing! We came here b'coz we needed HELP. We were SMOKERS. And were unable to QUIT! We knew that it was bad, we knew that it was a slow-poison, slowly killing us, one puff-a-time... it didn't take a genius in us to figure that out. There was not a "FrenchConnectionUK" we could do about it. It messed with us, it messed with our folks around us. And we came to e-Cigs to find an ALTERNATIVE. Not something to start with. e-Cigs r not for non-smokers, period.

We started off just like u. The same temptations, AND that "peer-pressure". It was "cool" those days, in the 80s. Not any more... there's no peer-pressure today; and it's NOT COOL nowadays; we all know that, don't we? So, don't begin with. U don't need to. We didn't, probably, have a choice, there were really no role-models then, half the populace didn't know about it's ill-effects AND that it'd stick with us. Today everyone knows. And the role-models of today don't smoke or VAPE.

"One thing lead to other" they say, right? That's what would happen if u pick-up that e-Cig now. Soon u'd pump more... add nics eventually if u start with non-nic... may also increase it's %age, 6 > 12 > 18 > 24, and Boom! There u go. What will u fall back on later? We r quitting our deadly habit of smoking and thus on e-Cigs. We don't intend to continue vaping, one day we'd quit e-Cigs as well. That's our goal. But till then it's a better alternative to dying of smokeing.

And vaping is an ALTERNATIVE (for us)... not something u should consciously START.

So, let whatever ppl say/suggest...
Don't Start, Don't pick-up that e-Cig!
U'll regret it later.


+1 I agree 100% with the above
 

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Kinda mixed about it myself. I certainly don't advocate beginning vaping to people who have never smoked as its long term effects are unknown and habit forming risks certainly are.

But I don't think as vapers we should have this mentality that we're an exclusive club of former smokers and that if you've never smoked, you can't get in. Many many of us have successfully quit smoking through vaping; and if vaping was banned tomorrow, we wouldn't go back to cigs. We continue the habit simply because we enjoy it.

To the OP, I don't think vaping is the solution to an overeating or boredom eating or obesity problem. Living a more active lifestyle certainly helps with obesity. Building models or something along those lines will keep the hands busy. But like I said, I'm neither going to advocate nor condone vaping as a new hobby. I will just reiterate that after all these other posts, you should know the inherent risks of taking this up as a new hobby and that there are other alternatives.
 

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Kinda mixed about it myself. I certainly don't advocate beginning vaping to people who have never smoked as its long term effects are unknown and habit forming risks certainly are.

But I don't think as vapers we should have this mentality that we're an exclusive club of former smokers and that if you've never smoked, you can't get in. Many many of us have successfully quit smoking through vaping; and if vaping was banned tomorrow, we wouldn't go back to cigs. We continue the habit simply because we enjoy it.

To the OP, I don't think vaping is the solution to an overeating or boredom eating or obesity problem. Living a more active lifestyle certainly helps with obesity. Building models or something along those lines will keep the hands busy. But like I said, I'm neither going to advocate nor condone vaping as a new hobby. I will just reiterate that after all these other posts, you should know the inherent risks of taking this up as a new hobby and that there are other alternatives.

I still say if you are a non smoker why start vaping?
 

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The problem with a nicotine addiction is not that one is addicted to nicotine (people addicted to caffeine function just fine), but rather how one chooses to ingest their nicotine.

It depends on the lifestyle you want, so I strongly disagree with this. An addiction is going to require feeding, whether coffee or nic.

Years ago I did a major cleansing, i quit coffee and I quit nicotine (cigs at the time) and never felt so good. Even after I went back to cigs the coffee still had an effect on my body, one I thought I liked (the "rush") but overall, the calm state I was in w/out coffee or nic, vamping up my body, was so wonderful. I can't explain it to anyone who has never been there.

Basically, ANY addiction is a monkey that requires feeding, hence, less real *freedom* in your life. it's time consuming and costs $$.

Food, too. Coffee. These are chemicals......they have an actual "effect" on your metabolism. On your blood sugar. All affect how you "feel".

My aim is to walk more every day for my endrophins, be well hydrated and at perfect BMI and weight for my body frame, and not inhale or injest stuff that has an adverse chemical reaction to my body, which when left alone, is a well-oiled machine AS DESIGNED. :)

Most people never "get to feeling that" last part, because it is so acceptable in our culture to eat and drink a lot of sugar, and over-eat, and have addictions to coffee, nicotine, etc.

Not saying this is for everyone, just stating that your body is infinitely better off operating as close to it's orginal design state (like anything else) without gunking it up with stuff that changes metabolic processes (unlesss you have a chronic illness of some sort that requires it to be tweaked).
 
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I believe there is a type e-cig 'brand' that is advertised as just that: a weight loss method. (not sure which one)

my friend who got me into the whole vaping sensation has an overweight brother.. and he's ordered a bunch of 0mg juice to crave his habits. From what he just told me recently it's actually helping. those late night snacks etc have been cut out and uses vaping to help curve his eating habits.

I think its a great idea.. and the way it's helped me quit analogs so easily.. why couldn't it work for that as well?
 

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Never smoked, not even the electronic ones, but I've always been tempted to. The health risks kept me away, but now I'm considering trying out the 0mg e-cigs, just for something to keep me busy. I'm overweight-- not a lot, but enough that it bothers me-- and by far the biggest reason for that is boredom eating/drinking. So I figure this would be something to keep my hands, mouth, and taste buds occupied, without all the calories and fat and high-fructose corn syrup. So even though I don't have a nicotine addiction, I do have a mountain dew addiction that I'd like to get over. :unsure: The idea is intriguing, and I also can't pretend I'm not extremely curious.

Absolutely not. Vaping is all about harm reduction. How safe is it long term? Nobody's sure. It hasn't been around all that long. Especially compared to smoking.

The vast, vast majority who switch report greatly improved health like breathing better and not being "winded" and lower blood pressure and a host of good things. But the long term effects of vaping itself? Who knows? The vapor is made from substances considered innocuous enough that they're used in tons of products we all use all the time. But inhaling them? Not sure. Maybe it's utterly safe. Maybe not. We'll find out. Eventually.

It's a trade off. We know the harm of smoking tobacco. And we have evidence (granted, mostly anecdote but there's a lot of it) that vaping is safer. Note the "-er". I'll take that gamble. Sure, twenty years from now, if I have to vape from now until then to keep off cigs, a doctor may say, "It was caused by your vaping".

Thing is, I have a better chance of living to be told that if I get away from tobacco cigs. Rate I was going, I might not even have twenty more years to find out there are long term ill effects of vaping. Or not. Or whatever we know about it twenty years from now.

So it's a horrible, horrible, bad idea to take up vaping if you are not addicted to nicotine. You know, for one thing, it's possible to be "psychologically addicted" to things even when there's no chemical addiction. That's been my big problem. I like smoking. Always have. And, weirdly enough, I knew I would like it before I started. Turned out, I was right.

Now I wish time travel existed. I'd go back and kick my ....

If nothing else, consider the money. You get into the habit of vaping even 0mg stuff, you're still risking getting into a habit that's going to cost you cash. Vaping can certainly be cheaper (especially in high tax areas) but it's a relative thing. It's cheaper. Not free.

Sure you wouldn't rather set the money aside for something else? I try not to think about the money I've wasted over the years. If I'd saved and invested that money over thirty plus years, I'd be doing good. Even with the "crash".

Such as, I like to travel. But I smoked that away. I haven't taken a real trip in so long I couldn't tell you. Haven't even made it to Canada for crying out loud and they're right next door!

Find something else you really, really want to do or really, really want to buy and put aside the money you would have spent on cigs or vaping or whatever.

It'll work out a hell of a lot better.

Like I have always wanted to visit New Zealand. If I'd saved and invested the money I spent all those years, I probably could have gone more than once. And Europe. And some other places.

Instead, here I am, 51, and the furthest I've gone is Mexico. And that's it. And my "cushion" against economic downturns is gone and I'm scraping by and at the rate things are going, by the time I could afford travel, I'll need a walker.

I screwed myself good.

Not to mention, if you started vaping even with 0mg and liked the habit and ritual, how do you know you won't decide to try "the real thing" anyway? Can you actually say you are absolutely sure you wouldn't think something like, "hey, this is cool, wonder what regular cigs are like?"

If you feel some kind of temptation or pull to smoking, there's no guarantee you won't still feel it if you vape. You'd risk opening one nasty Pandora's box there.

Know what my advice to my younger self would be? Get to the gym. Seriously. Even as a smoker, I got seriously into weight training in my thirties and hit my 40s in better shape than I was in my 20s. There's an actual "high" to exercise. I loved it. Now, there's an "addiction" that's actually healthy.

For various and sundry reasons (some of which are off the scale including I had a front row seat for Katrina... fun times), I've been lax about exercise for the last few years. That's one of the reasons I'm doing the vaping thing. I'm only two weeks in and my energy levels are coming back up and feeling better and starting to look at the dust collecting weight set and thinking, "I gotta get back to that".

I was a fat kid. Went through the usual ridicule and stuff at school. Got my ultimate revenge by packing on 30 pounds of muscle and dropping to my college age waist size when most all the people I graduated school with became fat and pasty and out of shape.

Hah! :)

And I'm still a big guy. Not in terms of tall, I'm average height. But I still have trouble with buying shirts and finding ones that fit me across the shoulders. I gained weight after the Katrina thing then got most of it off then other crap happened and I regained a lot of it then down... then up... then... sigh. I need my energy level back. I haven't been able to be consistent without it. I was just... slowing down.

51 isn't "pack me off to the nursing home" age but every year, aging grabs some of your energy. I better start fighting back. I started because my dad just... sagged... as he hit middle age. I saw myself heading that way. Not fat just... dumpy. Sure, age will win in the end but I ain't going quietly. It's gonna have to drag me while I kick, bite, punch, claw and cuss it out. :)

Go get "addicted" to exercise. You'll be a lot happier in the long run...
 
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Hello raichu and welcome to ECF.

Not my place to make choices for you but I'll add my two cents to the bucket on the basis that you are Not a smoker and haven't considered smoking or vaping because of the risks involved.

If you believe vaping will solve your overeating issues you are seriously mistaken. Vaping isn't a dieting tool.
There are a quite a few overweight smokers/ vapers out there and vaping or smoking for that matter can't magically replace 'boredom eating'.
How is vaping going to encourage you to take more exercise?
How is vaping going to prevent you from drinking high calorie drinks or eating chocolate muffins?

You still need to keep hydrated, so you're going to drink more water? If you intend to change that then you're also prepared to change more within your current eating regime, eat healthier lower cal' foods, eat less Unhealthy foods. If you can make those small changes, why start vaping?

Your aim is to replace one bad habit with another habit, essentially all you'll land up with is two habits.

Most smokers that switch to vaping consider it better than smoking, but I really think it's a little irresponsible telling Non smokers who had no intention of smoking or vaping due to possible risks associated 'Hell yea, why not! Go ahead'.
Remember the good ol' days when the smoking lobby would say the same about cigarettes?

We still don't know the long term effects of vaping, we still don't know if all the Flavours we're vaping are good for us. Just because an ingredient is GRAS or approved for ingestion does not mean it is good for Inhalation on a long term basis. There is still a lot we don't know, what we Believe is a different matter.
Most vapers believe vaping a better Alternative to smoking. Please bear this in mind.
It's a big decision to make, don't make it lightly.

Very well put! Total agreement.
 

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As far as the weight issue I have put on 20lbs and I vape all the time with nicotene. Now I have to do something I never had to worry about before "EXERCISE" oh the horror of it.

has vaping been known to cause weight gain? just curious if that has happened to anyone else..
 

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There are a quite a few overweight smokers/ vapers out there and vaping or smoking for that matter can't magically replace 'boredom eating'.

(Mark raises his hand)

:)

For me, it is, in fact, the other way around. In just my two weeks (officially, today, so still a "noob" :) ), I've noticed an increase in energy. And mood for that matter. I don't "drag" as much. I haven't been consistent with exercise. I used to, even smoking, be in good shape. Also, I would smoke a lot less when I was keeping to a regular exercise routine. I was going to try quitting again (withe gum maybe, of all the bad options, that one was the least bad for me).

Now I'm thinking if I can continue this trend of having more energy and more oxygen (guess that stuff is good huh? :) ), it's my way back to getting my .... in gear again. I'm carrying a good twenty, twenty-five pounds of excess flab. It has to go. Obesity is never good for you but middle age, it starts turning into a serious threat. Especially given that men in my dad's side of the family are prone to heart attacks. Big predisposition there. One of my uncles (who smoked) died in his 40s. So, like the idiot I am, I picked up smoking! Gosh, ain't I bright?

Sigh.

Vaping help losing weight? I wish!
 

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Normally I would agree with the majority, but the OP stated that he/she has considered smoking. So here's my clarification. Most of us on forum are ex-smokers. But let's not forget the new generations of cigarette users.

Mom n Dad telling me "No! Don't do it" with all the why not's didn't work for me and it didn't for most of you. Did we not go ahead and start regardless? While not as prevalent as it used to be, the baccy companies are still raking in thousands of new smokers every day.

My concern is that if OP is going to start lighting up then vaping is a better alternative.
 

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Normally I would agree with the majority, but the OP stated that he/she has considered smoking. So here's my clarification. Most of us on forum are ex-smokers. But let's not forget the new generations of cigarette users.

Mom n Dad telling me "No! Don't do it" with all the why not's didn't work for me and it didn't for most of you. Did we not go ahead and start regardless? While not as prevalent as it used to be, the baccy companies are still raking in thousands of new smokers every day.

My concern is that if OP is going to start lighting up then vaping is a better alternative.

Yeah, it'd be hypocritical of me to get all religious about it. I ignored the warnings and did it anyway. The OP will do what they do, nothing I can do about it. But having been asked, I say "you'll regret it". Addictions of any kind can be a total, freaking nightmare. Even just coffee. I don't have the caffeine thing but I've known plenty who do. And being out of coffee? Oh. Wow. I mean, to me, it's "just coffee" not some street drug. But some folks, they're pretty hooked. Get nasty withdrawal.

I'm 51 now. Not time for the nursing home but I look back and really regret blowing my money and my health on cigs. It just wasn't worth it. So many other things I wish I'd done before the treadmill of "middle age" caught up with me.

(Like wish I'd saved even more over time. I might have survived the bank meltdown better. Not well but better. As it is, I almost got wiped out. It ain't pretty. And the recession is making the climb back up hard. And I'm not 20 anymore. I could go flat broke in my 20s and rebound. So anybody invents time travel, I'm agonna go back and slap myself every time I try to put a cig in my mouth. :) )

I can think of way better things to be "addicted" to. The gym for one. And sex. Yah. Those two.

:D
 
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It depends on the lifestyle you want, so I strongly disagree with this.

You are free to disagree. I'm not here to talk about lifestyles really when it comes to tobacco harm reduction which in my view is what using PVs is. My thoughts on the matter is that adults are and should be free to pursue happiness in whatever way they choose provided they aren't harming anyone else. That includes having a vice of their choice.

For me, it is nicotine and caffeine. Trust me I know my issues well enough to know that those two are far safer than the other alternatives. That said, if someone else wants to eventually be off every sort of drug imaginable good for them and more power to them.

The point of my response to Ash was that a one-size-fits all is neither accurate nor helpful when it comes to vapers. Given that I do derive medial benefit from nicotine (with far fewer side effects than the prescription alternatives for my particular condition) I will continue to use it. I see no reason to "quit" nicotine. I may or may not gradually reduce my total consumption of it, but I will determine that when the time is right for me.

An addiction is going to require feeding, whether coffee or nic.

So what? Presumably we are talking about adults here, and those adults have both money and the freedom to choose their money on right? Is it any business of anyone else what they spend their money on be it vaping, smoking, expensive coffee or hot rods? No.

Years ago I did a major cleansing, i quit coffee and I quit nicotine (cigs at the time) and never felt so good. Even after I went back to cigs the coffee still had an effect on my body, one I thought I liked (the "rush") but overall, the calm state I was in w/out coffee or nic, vamping up my body, was so wonderful. I can't explain it to anyone who has never been there.

I tried the same thing myself. I gave up all forms of caffeine, quit nicotine and even refined sugars for well over six months. I ended up being almost admitted to a psych ward due to my inability to concentrate (I made the mistake of actually listening to "Doctors" and taking their Big Pharma poison for my ADD), and never felt worse in my life. If you can live the life of a spartan without going practically insane and feeling like utter crap good for you. Other people can't do that. I'm one of those people.

Basically, ANY addiction is a monkey that requires feeding, hence, less real *freedom* in your life. it's time consuming and costs $$.

I got news for you. Everything requires money and life is quite time consuming. There is no such thing as freedom in a pure sense and never has been. If you live, you have to eat. Now unless you are blessed with being independently weathy or grow your own food you have to work for someone to make the money to buy your food.

When it comes to the vices people choose to have, I have taken a firm position to not judge others on the basis of what vices they have. It is not my place to pass judgment on them provided they are not harming anyone else in the persuit of their happiness--be that through god, or vaping or building models of the Starship Enterprise.

Food, too. Coffee. These are chemicals......they have an actual "effect" on your metabolism. On your blood sugar. All affect how you "feel".

Anyone who would argue that everything you consume internally doesn't have an effect on your body is a fool. Be it a e-juice, a cigarette, or a cup of water. That is not and never has been my contention. So this entire line is nothing but a straw man.

My aim is to walk more every day for my endrophins, be well hydrated and at perfect BMI and weight for my body frame, and not inhale or injest stuff that has an adverse chemical reaction to my body, which when left alone, is a well-oiled machine AS DESIGNED. :)

2 problems.

1. Your body evolved it was not designed by anyone or anything. Humans, like all other species, are the result of the non-random survival of randomly created changes in self-replicating entities.

2. Then you probably shouldn't walk outside. If you are walking outside you are indeed inhaling all sorts of pollution. I've said elsewhere that I'm far more concerned about inhaling car exhaust than I am about my vape for a reason.

Most people never "get to feeling that" last part, because it is so acceptable in our culture to eat and drink a lot of sugar, and over-eat, and have addictions to coffee, nicotine, etc.

Perhaps that is because most people don't want to "get to feeling that". It has been my experience that those without vices generally have very few virtues as well. I tried it. I basically had a choice, do that and be a non-functioning person, or don't and be moderately happy.

Not saying this is for everyone, just stating that your body is infinitely better off operating as close to it's orginal design state (like anything else) without gunking it up with stuff that changes metabolic processes (unlesss you have a chronic illness of some sort that requires it to be tweaked).

Good because it is not for everyone. In fact very few people can live that lifestyle without being completely miserable. The use of various things to alter one's state is an extremely old phenomenon.

Second, there is no original design. I suggest reading up some basic biological theory.

Third, chronic illness can be a very broad category. One could argue that life itself is a terminal illness. If I had to live without my self-medication, I would be incredibly miserable. Given the choice between spending my money the way I like on what I like, or being miserable out of someone else's sense of what is right and proper, I'll take the former thanks.
 
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