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non smokers taking up vapeing??

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  1. Ken_A

    Ken_A Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2013
    Florida
    um... actually, it isn't highly addictive. or it is... IF you say that caffeine is highly addictive compared to alcohol.

    Educate yourself before accepting the "popular opinion" given to us by those organizations that want to regulate vaping out of existence.

    FAQ: Nicotine (tobaccoharmreduction.org)
    The more you KNOW, the better prepared you can be.

    a better statement is:
    Nicotine and Caffeine are equally addictive.
     
  2. tom1919

    tom1919 Full Member

    Jan 15, 2014
    Ireland (portlaoise)
    Fair play to you. Sounds like you have a head on your shoulders
     
  3. tom1919

    tom1919 Full Member

    Jan 15, 2014
    Ireland (portlaoise)
    We wernt talking about caffeine though?? You were makeing a comparison between smoking fags and having an odd beer or glass of wine. I stand by my statement that nicotine is highly addictive and im educated enough due to the fact that ive been putting it in my body for over ten years. Also you twisted that to make it sound like i was on side with those who want to ban vaping.. Come on man?? Why would i be here??
     
  4. flavorfart

    flavorfart Full Member

    Jan 22, 2014
    Parma,OH



    true they both work the same exact way except they bind to different receptors of the brain but nonetheless have the same effect that's why withdrawl symptoms for both are similar and just as hard to quite in extream cases for caffeine nicotine I believe has a shorter half life makes you need it more unlike caffiene both can also kill why isn't caffiene regulated? Hmmm...





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  5. tom1919

    tom1919 Full Member

    Jan 15, 2014
    Ireland (portlaoise)
    I agree with you there, i know ive certainly had cafeine withdrawels if i dont get my coffee. Its nothing to withdrawels when comming off the cigs cold turkey though. In my mind "cigerettes" are much much more adictive than coffee and to say nicotine doesnt play a major role there and that its the corporations that want us to think that is a conspiricy theory.
     
  6. jp_cfc09

    jp_cfc09 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 5, 2013
    lost
    honestly its the individuals choice at any age to do what they want, be it drinking, drugs, smokeing, vapeing. in a ideal world no one under age would do these things but it does and always will happen. I feel someone who wants to vape but hasnt smoked arnt any worse then I was when I decided to smoke instead of not smokeing. all you can really do is advise 0mg nic juice and hope they stay off nic really but if they smoked you cant really say that can you. so even though its not the best to start vapeing if you didnt smoke, its better then just starting to smoke cigarettes.

    people like the feel of vapeing and getting a nicotine fix same way we all smoked to get our nicotine fix. as I said in a ideal world no one under age would do these things but also no one smoke either so to me it isnt fair to judge others choices as we never made the right ones either. i know i was told not to smoke, drink alcohol, do drugs but at the end of the day i never listened and many dont lol.
     
  7. Ken_A

    Ken_A Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2013
    Florida
    heh - nope. I was not making a comparison between smoking and having an odd beer. That was someone else.

    And I'm not saying you are on the dark side. I'm just saying that you need to educate yourself so you do not fall into their traps.

    I honestly think that Smoking is an addiction. Nicotine is a Habit.
    addictions are things that cause harm to other people because you cannot stop
    Habits do not cause harm to other people.
     
  8. jp_cfc09

    jp_cfc09 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 5, 2013
    lost
    addiction definition
    noun

    1.

    the fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance or activity.

    "he committed the offence to finance his drug addiction"

    synonyms:dependency,.dependence,.craving,.habit,.weakness,.compulsion,.fixation,enslavement.
     
  9. Dusif

    Dusif Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 21, 2013
    Denmark
    Are non smokers picking up cigarettes and thereby becoming smokers?... Yes it happens everyday...

    If a person picks up an ego kit and vapes 0mg, be happy that its an ego with 0mg juice in it and not a pack of cigs


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  10. Rangertrix

    Rangertrix Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 5, 2013
    Collinsville, OK
    I think adults can make their own decisions. I would any adult I know if they wanted to try vaping. If they were a non-smoker I would definitely encourage 0 nicotine. Now would I attempt to encourage a non-smoker to take up vaping? No. Vaping can become a habit, if not an addiction, regardless of the nicotine content. I would never encourage anyone to pick up a "habit", even if "I" think it's harmless, but I would never interfere with an adults right to choose what they wish or wish not to do. On a side note....... I think, to a degree, that "fad" vapers are part of what is bringing on a lot of the attempt to regulate. I mean smokers and non-smokers alike. The ones that want to vape simply because they think it's "cool" or the "in" thing to do. Don't get me wrong, I think governments and tobacco companies would have eventually tried to step in once they realized they could capitalize from it, and that the tobacco companies were losing money to it, but I think the "fad" vapers definitely sped up the process. Just my opinion.

    Boy, there's a lot of " " in there! Would have gotten hand cramps from doing air quotes if I had said that out loud (if I actually ever were to use ridiculous air quotes). Lol =P
     
  11. tom1919

    tom1919 Full Member

    Jan 15, 2014
    Ireland (portlaoise)
    Oh. . My appologies i got mixed up there. I hear ya and i know what you are getting at. But when u use words like "traps" and speak about "popular opinions" it sounds like you think (and i could be taking you up wrong) that theres some big weird conspiricy going on. Its pretty simple really. Governments are un aware and un educated about vapour and its effects, at the same time they see its becomming very popular and tobacco sales are probably dropping. So the loose it in one hand and they take it back with the other by taxing e juice and changing legislation to do so. Just two days ago major eu legislation was passed about this. Here in ireland twenty smokes are almost €10, thats what around 12 dollars? Thats alot of tax!
    And you know what ive got no problem with it being regulated if it meant there was an industry standard, health and safety etc. I would gladly pay an extra euro or two for a bottle of juice if it was widely available and of a garanteed quality, but they will make a ....e of it and we will be getting the same stuff (excluding china juice probably) for crazy money and it will be chemists and prescribtions and they will kill it. Maybe it will be different in the US but thats how our government opperate
     
  12. Steamer861

    Steamer861 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2014
    Canada
    I disagree with this ! i switched to decafe coffee no problem(8 big cups a day coffee drinker) 4 hours with out my nicotine and I am a going nuts!
    i think nicotine is totally addictive



     
  13. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    So one is an Addiction. And One is a Habit. OK. What is the Difference between the Two?

    BTW - I noticed that you posted a Link which Infers that Nicotine in and of Itself Doesn't Cause Cancer. Cool.

    But are there Any Other Health Risks to putting Nicotine into your body Besides causing Cancer?

    Or is Causing Cancer the Only Benchmark that we should use in Evaluating the "Safety" of Ingesting Nicotine?
     
  14. RosaJ

    RosaJ Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 30, 2012
    The Woodlands, TX, USA
    I smoked for more than 40 years, 1 1/2 packs of cigarettes a day. Started vaping 2 years come March 1st and have gone down from 18mg to 6mg and sometimes 0. I noticed early on that I did not crave vaping when I had to go to doctor appointments, etc., for long periods of time where before, I always got antsy after 30 minutes of sitting somewhere not being able to light up.

    We're all different so making a "cookie cutter" rule doesn't work.

    My opinion as to the topic is that if an adult wants to do something, they have the freedom to do it. All the well intentioned advice will not be heeded if they decide to do it, this has been going on since the world began. I can think of worse things people can start doing other than vaping.
     
  15. tom1919

    tom1919 Full Member

    Jan 15, 2014
    Ireland (portlaoise)
    You're makeing alot of sense there rosa, well put.
     
  16. Ken_A

    Ken_A Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2013
    Florida
    situational evidence suggests that governments DO know the difference. I don't see a conspiracy there though. :) They are either individually ignoring the evidence, individually using appearance as a reason to regulate, or jumping on the bandwagon when they see those tactics work elsewhere.
    And yes, there is a loose conspiracy with the corporations encouraging over-regulation so they can regain their profits.

    As far as regulation goes, there is already regulation in place for vaping. Devices are covered under consumer electronics, and the eliquid is covered under human consumable products.

    the difference, as I see it is that one causes harm to others through some sort of neglect, and the other does not.
    As for other possible health risks, you should read the paper. Within the first few paragraphs, it says that there is a possible danger to children in the womb. Just like other "adult" things, like wine, caffeine, etc.

    I totally agree with your stance. An adult should be allowed to make their own choices.
     
  17. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    So do you Believe that Ingesting Nicotine at the Levels and Frequency that the Average do poses No Health Risks?
     
  18. Myk

    Myk Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 1, 2009
    IL, USA
    "No withdrawal symptoms suggesting nicotine addiction have been reported either after 4–6 weeks of therapy in short-term studies, or after a period of up to 6 months in the only long-term study available [13]."

    Nicotine treatment for ulcerative colitis

    Unless you know something to be true don't parrot the ANTZ lies.

    The addiction is in the cigarette smoke not the nicotine.
    When I switched from cigarettes to pipes I was having constant nicotine OD because I used heavy duty tobacco, I was chain puffing. I'd still want a cigarette after having a bowl.
     
  19. Myk

    Myk Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 1, 2009
    IL, USA
    It doesn't help "the cause" because the ANTZ will claim it's teaching people to smoke. But we all know the ANTZ will lie about everything anyway and they are nothing resembling sane.

    We don't know what the effects of 50 years of chronic inhalation of flavors and PG/VG will be. But then again we do know the effects of inhalation of car exhaust are and nobody seems to be worried about that.

    I don't believe anyone would switch from not smoking to vaping to smoking.
    I don't believe (in my experience, and scientific studies) that nicotine outside of smoking is addictive.

    ANTZ be damned, adults can make their own decision.
    Unless there's a reason to use nicotine I would suggest a non-smoker turned vaper stick with 0mg. I would keep the intake of vapor at reasonable amounts or not do lung inhales, you don't taste with your lungs.
     
  20. Ken_A

    Ken_A Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2013
    Florida
    So far, there is no evidence to suggest increased health risks to vaping.
    Then again, all the studies I have heard about compare vaping to smoking. It would be interesting to get a few studies on the health risks of vaping alone.
     
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