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non smokers taking up vapeing??

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by tom1919, Jan 24, 2014.

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  1. RosaJ

    RosaJ Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 30, 2012
    The Woodlands, TX, USA
    The kids must have some sort of income coming in, ecigs aren't cheap. Also, the ecig vendors I've bought from since I started to vape require carding, so these kids must have adults that buy them for them. If not, that means that the black market on ecigs for kids has already started.

    EDIT: If the kids are 18 or older, then that's another matter. They're adults, not kids.
  2. Zombiecan

    Zombiecan Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2014
    Yup that's pretty much it... A lot of the neighborhoods around here are money. Mommy and daddy gets them what they want. Personally I never had a kids blow a vape cloud in my face but I've seen them showing off at the mall with their friends and people walk by and get it in their face and complain about it and that's when the kids say it's ok cause it's not smoke. And of course then non smokers and vapers say it's shouldn't be allowed anywhere just like analogs. Personally I don't really vape anywhere else besides my home because I don't want some uninformed ignorant person making the same kind of comments to me because I know it wouldn't end well lol.

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  3. supertrunker

    supertrunker Living sarcasm Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2012
    That's because in Texas, if you blew smoke or vape in someone's face so rudely, the least you'd get is a good hiding!

    I don't behave like that and i can blow huge clouds if i want to - i confine it to my home.

    My money is on this - that the point of vaping anyway is to get away from cigarettes and that was the entire point for my wife and i. The Holy Grail was finding some reliable equipment that would allow us to do that.

    When that became available, all the other nonsense started, with people vaping to deliberately irritate others. Not cool!

    As for the harm to non-smokers taking up vaping, i refer you to this:
    Transcript of Viscount Ridley’s debate on e cigs in the House of Lords – how it should be done! | Save e-cigs

    Here is my favourite bit:

    “Unfortunately, we have no evidence”,
    of harm.
    There is said to be a risk of children taking up e-cigarettes and then turning to real cigarettes. Just think about that for a second. For every child who goes from cigarettes to electronic cigarettes, there would there have to be 1,000 going the other way, from e-cigarettes to cigarettes, for this to do any net harm.

  4. Ohms Lawbreaker

    Ohms Lawbreaker Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 18, 2014
    Right Behind You
    My only other real serious point here is age. Every young person is different. Of course consent is and should be largely up to the parents. I am not talking about shoving ProVaris in the hands of infants and Janet Reno having to intervene, but reasonable discussions with teens. Society rightly sets one set age limit that is, like it or not, largely a consensus of when we say a person is capable of making a choice for him- or herself as an adult. Obviously this means nothing when it comes to individuals but is the best we can do.

    Many Italian families drink wine with meals, even kids often have a bit. This is not "irresponsible parents buying booze for the neighborhood kids and their parties" by any stretch. Some would try to make it into that. Relax, have something to eat, have a drink and a smoke or a vape if that is what tunes you up.
  5. Bramble

    Bramble Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2014
    I'm actually in the camp of "keep minors out of shops and away from vaping" just because they're annoying as hades*. I'm guessing the theft/shoplifting rate is lower in places that are diligent about enforcing age restrictions.

    *Some people call it hell but I like to call it hades.
  6. Bernard Marx

    Bernard Marx Moved On ECF Veteran

    Feb 2, 2014
    Are there no workhouses to send the children to?
  7. Calam

    Calam Full Member

    Feb 25, 2013
    I read Rolygate's article. He makes some pretty huge leaps of logic with no evidence. Leaping and landing at the right conclusion doesn't mean you thought something out. So I'm not saying he's wrong, but I still have no reason to buy his arguments.

    The e-cigarette politics site discusses the potential addictiveness of nicotine in more realistic terms: there have been no studies on humans. So while one can say "there is no clinical evidence that pharmaceutical nicotine is addictive," it's important to ALSO say, "there is no evidence that it ISN'T addictive, either."

    The e-cigarette politics site also states that "experts" believe that it's probably not addictive apart from tobacco, but no citation is provided. They also claim that it's a "normal" dietary ingredient, and while this is true, nicotine occurring in plants like bell peppers is at a concentration in the nanograms. So it's really not relevant to a discussion on addiction.

    The point I'm making here is this: claiming that it is "not addictive" really is an unfounded claim. And regardless, it is a stimulant, whether you want to call it addictive or not. Some people get addicted to stimulants. The addictive properties of a drug are not always the determinant factor in whether or not people can actually be addicted to it. If people get addicted to things like gambling and sex, then they can certainly be addicted to nicotine; and if we have laws regulating gambling among minors, then it seems reasonable to also regulate nicotine among minors, as well.

    Having said all that, given the choice, I would much rather be addicted to vapor than to tobacco smoke (and I am addicted to neither).
  8. Ohms Lawbreaker

    Ohms Lawbreaker Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 18, 2014
    Right Behind You
    Going to rehab for Netflix addiction.
  9. kronos01

    kronos01 Full Member

    Aug 8, 2013
    Sydney Australia
    A lot of non-smokers like the 'Hookah' experience in middle eastern restaurants. They sit there and puff on zero-nic flavours bubbling through the hookah. I have had one such social puffer approach me re getting hold of vaping equipment to transfer his "hubbly-bubbly" experience to home.

    Not sure why he did not simply buy his own hookah. Interestingly, I have seen e-hookahs on sale somewhere.
  10. Moedog

    Moedog Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 29, 2013
    Charlotte, NC, USA
    LOL, Hookahs are certainly not "zero nic." They involve combustion of tobacco and as such deliver nicotine. I'd call hookah devotees "smoker wantabees," unwilling to withstand the social stigma of using conventional tobacco products.
  11. Ohms Lawbreaker

    Ohms Lawbreaker Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 18, 2014
    Right Behind You
    Why call them that? Naw, they're probably mostly just people who enjoy using hookahs. Who doesn't enjoy a good hookah now and then? But you get what you pay for. Cheap hookah's can be dangerous. And you don't ever want to be caught with a dead hookah, especially if you are a politician.
  12. beckdg

    beckdg ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 1, 2013
  13. CabinetGuyScott

    CabinetGuyScott Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 24, 2014

    This is truly inspired!

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
  14. dr g

    dr g Moved On ECF Veteran

    Mar 12, 2012
    They do not involve tobacco combustion and in fact if you are a vaper, you can thank hookahs for pioneering your experience before you even knew what it was. Calling hookah users anything like what you said is ignorant to say the least.

    Hookah smoking is the closest analog to enthusiast-level vaping. The delicious flavors and the big-cloud aesthetics are part of the hookah experience, not cigarettes.
  15. Johnnie Price

    Johnnie Price Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 18, 2012
    Waldorf, MD
    Then why are you here? Why do you vape, if you do, instead of just breathing AIR? Why didn't you use the patch, or gum, or Chantix, or an inhaler?

    Seriously. If you're so against smoking, and vaping, then why are you a part of this community. And why do you (presumably) vape?

    I liked your post in the hopes you see this and reply. I agree with absolutely nothing you have posted in this thread.
  16. iamzg

    iamzg Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 4, 2014
    Pennsylvania, USA
    My friend started vaping even though he's a non smoker and I fully support him. He's a food junkie so he got a bunch of sweet flavors to help curb his over eating.
  17. Coelli

    Coelli Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 5, 2014
    Los Angeles, CA
    It works. That was one of the reasons I started even though I haven't smoked in almost 14 years (I work from home, so I have access to food all day). I've lost more than 10 pounds so far and have a better time differentiating between real hunger and "I'm bored" hunger.

    I have a neighbor who started vaping when she quit drinking and it's really helped her; the owner at my local B&M has a police officer as a customer who started vaping for the same reason, and she said he also says it's been helping him stay sober.

    I should add that before I started vaping I'd have a vodka-and-something or 2 or 3 almost every night and that pretty much stopped when I started vaping. I wouldn't say I had a drinking problem to begin with, but I just haven't felt like drinking when at home anymore.

    So is it substituting one addiction (food, alcohol) for another? Maybe; but self-medicating seems to be a built-in urge for almost everything in the animal kingdom, humans included.
  18. ClayTaylorNC

    ClayTaylorNC Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2014
    United States
    If you're going to pick up a vice, "vaping" is a great one out of many, many, many bad ones. Although I do not support adding nicotine to any juice you may use. If it was as simple as to answer yes or no to if a non smoker should start using one, the answer is no. JUST a slightly similar comparison:

    If a drinker switches from alcoholic beverages to a non-alcohol drink to become healthier with essentially the same habit, it's a very good thing. Although, it's wouldn't be the same for someone who doesn't drink to pick up the non-alcohol habit. It'd just be an opportunity to become more involved in it. It would be moving the same direction it did for us (used to be smokers), we started with smokes, got worse and worse, then we moved on to vaping and it's been great! With them (non-ex smoker new vapers), it'd be starting off vaping 0-nic, then, just a little nic, then more nic perhaps, then so on and so forth. Just my opinion.
  19. rzil

    rzil Senior Member

    May 6, 2014
    I don't support non smoker getting addicted to nicotine and I'm a bit ambivalent about him taking up vaping generally.
    Most of us are ex-smokers , we started vaping to switch into an healthier alternative for an addiction that started when we were younger and stupid and to be honest I wouldn't start vaping if I didn't smoke first.
  20. Caskark

    Caskark Full Member

    Apr 7, 2014
    Wahiawa, HI, USA
    I have a couple of non smoker buddies walking around with mech mods
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