Noob and high nic base

[ubergeek922]

So in my excitement to diy I read as much as I could, then I read some more. Feeling confident, I put together my first order which includes 100mg base. As usual I now second guess myself and think I should have started with a lower base. When it arrives would you recommend diluting to a lower base (25mg since I normally vape 18-24mg) or just leave as is and take the proper precautions? I'm sure it's probably personal preference, but opinions are appreciated.

EDIT: I want to clarify this is the base used for diluting into vapeable flavors, NOT about vapeing the 100mg base undiluted.

 

[nnote]

I started on 100, just take precautions. Add your nic last, wash your hands if you get any on you and uncap it put it in and cap the bottle back up. You shouldn't have any problems if you take commen sense precautions.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

If you still feel unsafe for your first few times, go ahead and cut that base in half this time to 50mg/ml. Then next time you can order 60mg/ml, and then when you really comfortable you can go back to 100mg/ml again.

It's cheaper per ml to order 100mg/ml, but many people cut it in half when it arrives anyway. They do this because it's easier to mix that way, because it's easy to accidentally get higher nic then you intended if it's 100mg vs 50mg. IN addition to that, it's less worry around the house at the lower concentration too, and it's not as harmful to you or others if an accident does happen

It'll also mean oxidation will happen slower if you cut it, because you'll have two or more separate bottles to open as you use them, instead of constantly opening that same high mg/ml bottle each time you mix, and lower Nic level usually oxidizes slower too (pretty sure)

I say cut it in half if you have the empty bottles!

 

[jclifford]

I have "played" with far more dangerous chemicals than 100 mg nic for 35 years, (sodium cyanide and nitric acid). It is not a question of IF you spill it, the answer is very simply you do NOT spill it. You do not allow yourself to be interrupted by anything! "Accidents" are not an option, period.

If you think that an "accident" is possible (by definition it is), you should probably not be "playing" with dangerous chemicals. (I do not let one of my employees "play" with my acids!)

 

[ubergeek922]

I'm not too concerned about the safety, I have a mini fridge I just put a lock on in the basement to keep the juices in. I can lock the door while I'm in there if needed, gloves, sleeves, all that. I'm thinking along the lines of ease of use. With 100mg a couple drops extra will have a bigger impact than a couple extra drops of 25mg.

 

[orson]

For clarity can you edit your original post to make it clear you're not talking about using 100mg nic base to vape, but rather to mix juice. I know this thread is in the DIY juice section but I'd hate for a new vaper to get the wrong impression reading your post.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

I'm not too concerned about the safety, I have a mini fridge I just put a lock on in the basement to keep the juices in. I can lock the door while I'm in there if needed, gloves, sleeves, all that. I'm thinking along the lines of ease of use. With 100mg a couple drops extra will have a bigger impact than a couple extra drops of 25mg.

For ease of use and mixing, I'd go ahead and split at least in half as I mentioned above! If you're sure about what your flavoring levels will always be, then you may be able to split lower if you wanted too, as long as you have the empty bottles

Jump in and Mix'r up!

 

[quatro]

Is buying a higher concentration really cheaper? I looked and it seemed the cost of juice (volume of final product) remains same, maybe I missed something obvious!

 

[ubergeek922]

For me it's much cheaper (well it will be one I quit buying more goodies), I have ready access to pg at little or no cost. $10 for the 100mg / 60ml vg nic. Even if I go as strong as 25mg, that's 24 10ml bottles for $10, or 42¢ a bottle. Throw in the occasional purchase of more flavors and shipping costs and it's still dirt cheap.

 

[bace a flunt]

I wouldn't cut it... even at 60mg you cant have 20% flavor with a 50/50 ratio

 

[ubergeek922]

I wouldn't cut it... even at 60mg you cant have 20% flavor with a 50/50 ratio

I think I'll be keeping it as is. I may want to try different pg/vg ratios, I think it'll be easier with smaller amounts of higher concentrations

 

[quatro]

For me it's much cheaper (well it will be one I quit buying more goodies), I have ready access to pg at little or no cost. $10 for the 100mg / 60ml vg nic. Even if I go as strong as 25mg, that's 24 10ml bottles for $10, or 42¢ a bottle. Throw in the occasional purchase of more flavors and shipping costs and it's still dirt cheap.

But would not a lower strength nic solution cost the same in terms of final product as it is lower in price initially? When I checked, a higher strength saved you storage space that is all but I could be wrong.

Example, 100mg/ml costs you $xx and you can make 1 liter e-liq out of it for $xx +yy +zz where yy and zz are the base and flavors. A lower strength nic solution say 48mg/ml costs less but you buy more and after adding the base and flavors the final 1 liter of e-liq ends up costing the same per ml as the stronger mic solution. Hence the only savings when buying a high nic strength solution is that you get a smaller bottle (save storage space) for the target end product volume but you need more base material so overall it is a wash!

 

[Jfaria1891]

But would not a lower strength nic solution cost the same in terms of final product as it is lower in price initially? When I checked, a higher strength saved you storage space that is all but I could be wrong.

Example, 100mg/ml costs you $xx and you can make 1 liter e-liq out of it for $xx +yy +zz where yy and zz are the base and flavors. A lower strength nic solution say 48mg/ml costs less but you buy more and after adding the base and flavors the final 1 liter of e-liq ends up costing the same per ml as the stronger mic solution. Hence the only savings when buying a high nic strength solution is that you get a smaller bottle (save storage space) for the target end product volume but you need more base material so overall it is a wash!

I get what your saying and I imagine the 100mg would be the most cost efficient basing my assumption on general economics. I have not sat down and done the math out tho, it would be pretty easy to do using an ejuice calc.

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[Aurora-Oblivion]

Is buying a higher concentration really cheaper? I looked and it seemed the cost of juice (volume of final product) remains same, maybe I missed something obvious!

Yes, it's cheaper. Not always by a lot, but it is cheaper

Price divided by ml = price per ml (not mg/ml)

All prices below are from Wizard Labs

60mg/ml @ 120ml $11.39 - 240@30mg/ml = 11.39 >>>>> $0.09 per ml

60mg/ml @ 250ml $21.29 - 500@30mg/ml = 21.29 >>>>> $0.085 per ml


100mg/ml @ 60ml $9.99 - 120@50mg/ml >> 240@25mg/ml >>>> $0.16 per ml

100mg/ml @ 120ml $15.99 - 240@50mg/ml >> 500@25mg/ml = $15.99 >>>>> $0.13 per ml

100mg/ml @ 250ml $29.99 - 500@50mg/ml >> 1000(1-Liter)25mg/ml = $29.99 >>>>> $0.11 per ml


60mg/ml does look cheaper per mg/ml, but only at first glance, and that's because it's not the same mg per ml being compared so the lower price tricks your mind

Also, keep in mind, above you are looking at price per ml of liquid not per mg/ml of nicotine

SO, take both prices above (120ml used below) and multiply each amount on order to arrive at an equal 300mg per ml, then you have equal price ranges per mg/ml for comparison

60mg/ml @ ($0.09 per ml) x5 = 300mg/ml = $0.45 mg/ml
100mg/ml @ ($0.13 per ml) x3 = 300mg/ml = $0.39 mg/ml

None of this takes in to account the fact that you then have to buy other liquids to arrive at the mixed amount you compare to, but I you can compare at a glance and see it's cheaper at higher mg/ml. For example, 120ml of PG 100mg/ml $15.99, and if you compare that with 250ml of PG 48mg/ml it's still cheaper to get the 100mg/ml and purchase the additional 120ml of PG to mix it down to 250ml of 50mg/ml

It's only a small savings of course, but it is a savings, and that savings does increase as you purchase larger sizes. And of course, sometimes you already have PG or VG in large amounts on hand, so that makes it even better to buy the higher mg/ml because you already have the PG/VG so you wont be adding that to the order either.

Hope that helps instead of confuses

 

[bace a flunt]

That confused the hell out of me.

I just do

60mg/ml @ 120ml $11.39 ----> 60mg/ml x 120ml = 7200mg/11.39= 632mg pure nicotine per dollar
60mg/ml @ 250ml $21.29---> 15,000mg/21.29= 704mg pure nicotine per dollar

etc

Yes, it's cheaper. Not always by a lot, but it is cheaper

Price divided by ml = price per ml (not mg/ml)

All prices below are from Wizard Labs

60mg/ml @ 120ml $11.39 - 240@30mg/ml = 11.39 >>>>> $0.09 per ml

60mg/ml @ 250ml $21.29 - 500@30mg/ml = 21.29 >>>>> $0.085 per ml


100mg/ml @ 60ml $9.99 - 120@50mg/ml >> 240@25mg/ml >>>> $0.16 per ml

100mg/ml @ 120ml $15.99 - 240@50mg/ml >> 500@25mg/ml = $15.99 >>>>> $0.13 per ml

100mg/ml @ 250ml $29.99 - 500@50mg/ml >> 1000(1-Liter)25mg/ml = $29.99 >>>>> $0.11 per ml


60mg/ml does look cheaper per mg/ml, but only at first glance, and that's because it's not the same mg per ml being compared so the lower price tricks your mind

Also, keep in mind, above you are looking at price per ml of liquid not per mg/ml of nicotine

SO, take both prices above (120ml used below) and multiply each amount on order to arrive at an equal 300mg per ml, then you have equal price ranges per mg/ml for comparison

60mg/ml @ ($0.09 per ml) x5 = 300mg/ml = $0.45 mg/ml
100mg/ml @ ($0.13 per ml) x3 = 300mg/ml = $0.39 mg/ml

None of this takes in to account the fact that you then have to buy other liquids to arrive at the mixed amount you compare to, but I you can compare at a glance and see it's cheaper at higher mg/ml. For example, 120ml of PG 100mg/ml $15.99, and if you compare that with 250ml of PG 48mg/ml it's still cheaper to get the 100mg/ml and purchase the additional 120ml of PG to mix it down to 250ml of 50mg/ml

It's only a small savings of course, but it is a savings, and that savings does increase as you purchase larger sizes. And of course, sometimes you already have PG or VG in large amounts on hand, so that makes it even better to buy the higher mg/ml because you already have the PG/VG so you wont be adding that to the order either.

Hope that helps instead of confuses

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Haha, that confuses me!!

 

[quatro]

Thanks Aurora it definitely helps and reinforces my 5 sec crude math The savings if any are just a few cents but savings nevertheless.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Ya, sorry it's the way it is, I came up with it while trying to compare the cheapest way to get the largest amount of liquid, while still remaining in my tight budget that day.

So it's good for me to glance at anytime, due to why I wrote it out that day, I guess that makes it easier for me to understand anyway

 

[bace a flunt]

Thanks Aurora it definitely helps and reinforces my 5 sec crude math The savings if any are just a few cents but savings nevertheless.

sort of. If you buy 120ml of 48mg at WL you get 576mg per dollar. 500ml of 100mg gets you 877mg per dollar. So buying a small amount of 48mg will actually cost you 50% more than it would if you bought a larger amount of 100mg. There's not that much of a difference between 48mg and 100mg or 120ml vs 250ml but every little bit adds up to be a 50% difference.

 

[FinallyQuit]

But would not a lower strength nic solution cost the same in terms of final product as it is lower in price initially? When I checked, a higher strength saved you storage space that is all but I could be wrong.

Example, 100mg/ml costs you $xx and you can make 1 liter e-liq out of it for $xx +yy +zz where yy and zz are the base and flavors. A lower strength nic solution say 48mg/ml costs less but you buy more and after adding the base and flavors the final 1 liter of e-liq ends up costing the same per ml as the stronger mic solution. Hence the only savings when buying a high nic strength solution is that you get a smaller bottle (save storage space) for the target end product volume but you need more base material so overall it is a wash!

I ran the numbers the other night, I cut 60 ml 100 mg in half, cost about $1.60 in pg. Then I end up with 120ml of 50 mg. What's the price difference between 60 ml 100 mg [$9.99]and 120 ml 50 mg [48mg $9.99].

In this instance, it actually costs me more to buy the higher concentration. Dang.